An Uncommon Pursuit

[quote]mday wrote:
Thanks Skid, I purchased the e-book a couple of months back.

It does seem to share some of the same features as the WS4SB routines. I like the emphasis on “less is more”. For me, I noticed the biggest improvements when focusing on each main lift once a week. Sheiko was good for gaining more confidence with each lift but I really need a longer recovery period.

Thanks for your input, I and others really value your advice on a lot of this stuff.[/quote]

Just hope I’m helpful now and then…

Mass gain mix came today - both 10 lb tubs. 190 here I come.

Have had two today and I can feel the growth happening, believe it or not. Been going at it pretty aggressively the last few weeks and now that I’m down sick the super compensation is happening. Be interesting to see what zerchers and bench are going to be like in a few days.

[quote]skidmark wrote:
mday wrote:
Thanks Skid, I purchased the e-book a couple of months back.

It does seem to share some of the same features as the WS4SB routines. I like the emphasis on “less is more”. For me, I noticed the biggest improvements when focusing on each main lift once a week. Sheiko was good for gaining more confidence with each lift but I really need a longer recovery period.

Thanks for your input, I and others really value your advice on a lot of this stuff.

Well - as far as I can tell Wendler has just taken the Westside template and spread it out over into the next week. So it goes like this:

Week 1: DE Bench, ME Squat, ME BEnch,
Week 2: DE Squat, DE Bench, ME Squat
Week 3: ME Bench, DE Squat, DE Bench

etc, etc.

Takes out the deloads due to the lowered weekly volume, but strength continues to develop because you’re doing more heavy rep work more often while avoiding singles and the volume on assistance exercises is staying constant but the lowered frequency of training sessions lets you recover.

Clearly it’s effective. The program my coach has given me has much the same feel but I have a Bench, squat and assistance-only day each week or 6 days.[/quote]

Hey Skid… I am not sure I fully understand this concept, but it (both yours and Wendlers programs) has intrigued me… but, what about deadlifts??

I am still doing the program you suggested a few months back… with a few modifications. After reading a bit more, I think I may need more DE/ speed work.

Can you expand a bit more on your concept and from Wendler, if you have the time?

Thanks

[quote]skidmark wrote:
Mass gain mix came today - both 10 lb tubs. 190 here I come.

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Mmmmm, tubs of food…

The numbers you put up are pretty impressive for sub-190. Nice work-- keep it up!

[quote]bunny7568 wrote:
skidmark wrote:
mday wrote:
Thanks Skid, I purchased the e-book a couple of months back.

It does seem to share some of the same features as the WS4SB routines. I like the emphasis on “less is more”. For me, I noticed the biggest improvements when focusing on each main lift once a week. Sheiko was good for gaining more confidence with each lift but I really need a longer recovery period.

Thanks for your input, I and others really value your advice on a lot of this stuff.

Well - as far as I can tell Wendler has just taken the Westside template and spread it out over into the next week. So it goes like this:

Week 1: DE Bench, ME Squat, ME BEnch,
Week 2: DE Squat, DE Bench, ME Squat
Week 3: ME Bench, DE Squat, DE Bench

etc, etc.

Takes out the deloads due to the lowered weekly volume, but strength continues to develop because you’re doing more heavy rep work more often while avoiding singles and the volume on assistance exercises is staying constant but the lowered frequency of training sessions lets you recover.

Clearly it’s effective. The program my coach has given me has much the same feel but I have a Bench, squat and assistance-only day each week or 6 days.

Hey Skid… I am not sure I fully understand this concept, but it (both yours and Wendlers programs) has intrigued me… but, what about deadlifts??

I am still doing the program you suggested a few months back… with a few modifications. After reading a bit more, I think I may need more DE/ speed work.

Can you expand a bit more on your concept and from Wendler, if you have the time?

Thanks

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I do some form of deadlift every lower body session. 1 week is elevated heavy dead or rack pulls alternated with 8x3 sumo deads from the floor each lower session. So in one session I pick a squat variation to go heavy on then follow that with sumo deadlifts. The next lower session I’ll do the heavy rack pulls and a speed squat 8x3. The second exercise is performed as fast as possible and the weight chosen appropriately.

I’m not really strong enough to require true speed work, so this stuff is actually a fast form of Repetition Effort work, but it seems to be making me stronger… The best things about the 8 sets of 3 is that they help with technique practice, seem to build muscle tissue and help the joints - this last is important for us older lifters.

Wendlers program seems to be sticking to the Westside concept of DE which is a light weight (around 50-70% of max) moved as quickly as possible but he keeps the assistance exercises afterwards. Really, he’s working the westside template but instead of fitting it all in one week he allows the 4th session to go into the next week. He’s simply slowing down the workout pace as far as I can tell. This allows more recovery to occur.

2008-11-11
Assistance

1-Arm DB Rows
100x5
125x5
150 3x5 (last two sets with straps)

Bent over Row
195x15+5(rp) (PR weight)

Shoulder Circuit
Push Press@135
Muscled high Pull@115
Face Pulls@80

Round 1: 10, 10, 10
Round 2: 10, 10, 10
Round 3: 10, 10, 10

EZ Bar Curls
120x8,6 (PR reps +2)
EZ Bar Close Grip Curls
100 2x5

AB Wheel Rollouts from Knees
2x20 (PR Sets at these reps +1)
Hanging Knee-ups
2x12

Chest cold is hanging on. Not getting enough air exchange in my lungs so I was getting nauseous from the lactic acid on anything over 5 reps or if I started the next set too soon. Shoulder circuits were pure misery and the weights/reps were low, but I have the satisfaction of having pushed through them regardless.

Good session.

I like this viewpoint:

www.rosstraining.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=204

There is no cookie cutter program that works for everyone. Your best program is one that fits your needs and goals.

So, why so much discord over training styles?

[quote]skidmark wrote:
I like this viewpoint:

www.rosstraining.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=204

There is no cookie cutter program that works for everyone. Your best program is one that fits your needs and goals.

So, why so much discord over training styles?[/quote]

Ahhh… I think I understand now. No discord in training styles, just want to make sure I am on the right track for the amount of time I have before the competition, to make the best possible gains.

It looks like my program is very close to yours I think (funny, seeing as you designed the template I currently use).

My gym does not have any bands or chains… or blocks… think I should invest in some… are they necessary you think?

[quote]bunny7568 wrote:
skidmark wrote:
I like this viewpoint:

www.rosstraining.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=204

There is no cookie cutter program that works for everyone. Your best program is one that fits your needs and goals.

So, why so much discord over training styles?

Ahhh… I think I understand now. No discord in training styles, just want to make sure I am on the right track for the amount of time I have before the competition, to make the best possible gains.

It looks like my program is very close to yours I think (funny, seeing as you designed the template I currently use).

My gym does not have any bands or chains… or blocks… think I should invest in some… are they necessary you think?

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No discord from you I know - I’m referring to other forums on the site with that post.

As far as the program goes - I didn’t design it - maraudermeat did. I just do what he tells me I ought to.

Bands and chains are not necessary on this program - they’re just fun now and then. Boards and boxes are worthy additions, though.

The thing I like about meat’s program is that it incorporates every important element I’ve seen in other successful programs. AND IT WORKS FOR ME. I think it’s general enough and flexible enough to work for most people my age as well, but it’s meant to be cookie cutter. On this program as in Westside or wendler’s or any successful program, you have to work your weaknesses.

I’ve tried going off it and I invariably end up overtrained, or stalled or hurt. Meat himself uses a variation of it so he’s walking the walk - and he’s currently the strongest RAW mofo I know.

[quote]skidmark wrote:
bunny7568 wrote:
skidmark wrote:
I like this viewpoint:

www.rosstraining.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=204

I’ve tried going off it and I invariably end up overtrained, or stalled or hurt. Meat himself uses a variation of it so he’s walking the walk - and he’s currently the strongest RAW mofo I know.[/quote]

That (rosstraining) is an interesting site… and I agree with you wholeheartedly about Meat… guy ain’t human.

I may have to pick his brains… thanks Skid

Recommended:

“The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford.”

Don’t usually enjoy Brad Pitt movies, but they did a fair job with this one, following the Ford character and establishing his motivations and mindset.

[quote]skidmark wrote:
I like this viewpoint:

www.rosstraining.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=204

There is no cookie cutter program that works for everyone. Your best program is one that fits your needs and goals.

So, why so much discord over training styles?[/quote]

I own the Full Throttle Conditioning DVD/Book. It’s an awesome DVD with great info and the book is chock full of information. Definitely helped toward conditioning regardless of anyone’s larger goals.

Enamait is a monster.

He truly is. Dude pulled 495 from the floor never having trained the deadlift.

But I like his attitude most of all.

[quote]bunny7568 wrote:
skidmark wrote:
bunny7568 wrote:
skidmark wrote:
I like this viewpoint:

www.rosstraining.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=204

I’ve tried going off it and I invariably end up overtrained, or stalled or hurt. Meat himself uses a variation of it so he’s walking the walk - and he’s currently the strongest RAW mofo I know.

That (rosstraining) is an interesting site… and I agree with you wholeheartedly about Meat… guy ain’t human.

I may have to pick his brains… thanks Skid

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Good idea - he’s a much better resource than me. I gots book-larnin’, he’s got 20+ years experience at this.


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[quote]skidmark wrote:
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Guess you can hear us when we whisper now.

On the efficacy of statins for heart disease.

[quote]skidmark wrote:
On the efficacy of statins for heart disease.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/statin-insanity/[/quote]

I’m going to argue with my Doc now. Thankfully I’m not taking Statins any more. They damn near robbed me of my memory…Seriously!!

This is a great article Skid

2008-11-13
Bench
2-Board height Pin Press
115x10
185x8
235x5
270x4,4,3,3,1 (PR reps at this height)

Speed Dips
BWx25,30 (PR reps +10)

Tate Presses
55’s 3x6

Still feel off on the pin presses. I wanted to do 285x3x3@2.5 board height before changing, but I’m finding these harder and harder to do. May need to just go ahead and switch to inclined presses for a while or something else.

[quote]Elaikases wrote:
skidmark wrote:
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Guess you can hear us when we whisper now.

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eh? What’s that?