[quote]skidmark wrote:
ecogenx wrote:
Have you thought of trying a body building routine for a few months? It may help you gain some weight you’re looking for and help with the stamina. Maybe add some variety as well.
T’ain’t the routine what’s the problem.
One gets bigger if one eats. I have no appetite until I’m starving and I’m still not controlling my food supply.
Geech is gonna flame me again…[/quote]
Skid, it sounds like the mass gainer shakes have helped put on some weight.
As mentioned before, I have the same issues with food intake as you.
I am sure you have already done this, but the best thing I have found to consistently put on weight is to down a slow digesting protein shake (with whole milk) right before I go to bed. No matter when I ate last, I force myself to finish it before I go to bed. Sometimes, I even add some peanut butter or EVOO. It works for me because it is much easier to get liquid calories in even when full and the timing right before bed always works.
That’s hilarious.
I love Lurch. I was reading about that actor on imdb.com last night as a matter of fact.
Life is funny with it’s ‘coincidences.’
[quote]mday wrote:
Skid, it sounds like the mass gainer shakes have helped put on some weight.
As mentioned before, I have the same issues with food intake as you.
I am sure you have already done this, but the best thing I have found to consistently put on weight is to down a slow digesting protein shake (with whole milk) right before I go to bed. No matter when I ate last, I force myself to finish it before I go to bed. Sometimes, I even add some peanut butter or EVOO. It works for me because it is much easier to get liquid calories in even when full and the timing right before bed always works.
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My thinking exactly. I’ve been mixing mine with kefir or downing some kefir right after if I forget. I simply need to schedule eating, make it as regular as brushing teeth. And then make sure that I have the materials on hand to fulfill the schedule.
[quote]skidmark wrote:
ecogenx wrote:
Have you thought of trying a body building routine for a few months? It may help you gain some weight you’re looking for and help with the stamina. Maybe add some variety as well.
T’ain’t the routine what’s the problem.
One gets bigger if one eats. I have no appetite until I’m starving and I’m still not controlling my food supply.
Geech is gonna flame me again…[/quote]
Serious question and statement here. I am getting bigger. It isn’t that I can just see the muscles better. I have not increased my food intake and have in fact cut it. Nor have I changed what foods I’m eating. In summary, diet sucks. Are my muscle gains coming from using the fat I already have?
[quote]hel320 wrote:
skidmark wrote:
ecogenx wrote:
Have you thought of trying a body building routine for a few months? It may help you gain some weight you’re looking for and help with the stamina. Maybe add some variety as well.
T’ain’t the routine what’s the problem.
One gets bigger if one eats. I have no appetite until I’m starving and I’m still not controlling my food supply.
Geech is gonna flame me again…
Serious question and statement here. I am getting bigger. It isn’t that I can just see the muscles better. I have not increased my food intake and have in fact cut it. Nor have I changed what foods I’m eating. In summary, diet sucks. Are my muscle gains coming from using the fat I already have? [/quote]
The type of training your doing will increase the support structures (called the sarcoplasm) in muscle fiber and muscle cells - extra capillaries for better blood/oxygen transport, water and glycogen stored in the cell bodies and more mitochondria (cell batteries) in the cells themselves which are used to support the higher volume type of work you’ve been doing. You may notice that your muscles aren’t as hard as they were before, though maybe not, since you haven’t been pumping for all that long.
That’s where the saying, “Big ain’t Strong, Strong is Strong” came from. The muscles get bigger because of the increased amount of supporting tissue. It’s not muscle tissue per se, just all the material the muscle cells need in order to operate the lactic acid “burn” zone.
2008-10-22
mCycle 1
2.5 board-height pin press
115x10
165x8
215x5
245x3
285x2,2,1,1,1,0,1,0 (baseline PR)
Sets 5 and 7 were accelerated to lockout. Bonked the subsequent sets from not enough rest.
1 Arm DB Rows
105x5
125x5
155 3x5 (PR Sets and Reps) (stay at this lbs and work form)
Close Grip Bench
215 3x4
DB Curls
55 2x10 (right) (PR Reps)
55 2x6 (left) (trying to correct imbalance, so laying off the left side)
Thumbless Straight Hammer curls
55’s 2x8
DB Overhead triceps extension
40x12,10,10 (right arm only)
Good session. Was hoping for doubles all the way across on the pin presses, but I got as many reps as I could. Right Chest and shoulder held together even better than last bench session. Still weaker than left, but absolutely no feeling that something was pulling apart as has been the case with these repped pin presses the last few sessions.
Looks like I’ve decided to do modified Westside - only instead working up to a max single I’m going to do submax singles working up to 3 triples on ME day and then do RE work later in the week. I’m looking to increase the frequency of stimulation without increasing the overall workload. Lower body will have one heavy movement and a lighter speed movement still, alternated.
[quote]mday wrote:
Skid, it sounds like the mass gainer shakes have helped put on some weight.
As mentioned before, I have the same issues with food intake as you.
I am sure you have already done this, but the best thing I have found to consistently put on weight is to down a slow digesting protein shake (with whole milk) right before I go to bed. No matter when I ate last, I force myself to finish it before I go to bed. Sometimes, I even add some peanut butter or EVOO. It works for me because it is much easier to get liquid calories in even when full and the timing right before bed always works.
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That late night meal can really put on weight. If you are having trouble with your food, both getting a good balance and getting enough, a protein shake to go to sleep on can really make a difference. Use whole milk for prostate health, and a blender to make it smooth enough to drink.
I’d be doing that right now if I was trying to gain weight instead of cut just a little more.
Wish you the best on that. If you have a protein shake of some sort for breakfast and one for a nighttime snack, you can really make some good balance.
Myself, for breakfast:
1/2 cup whole milk yogurt
1 cup fat free yogurt (my favorite brand only has whole and free available locally).
2 scoops protein powder (I just buy what Costco is selling, they have good quality over all).
a little fruit and a few ice cubes to make it blend better
1/2 cup water. You can use sugar as a sweetener instead of stevia or splenda if your goal is weight gain.
To gain weight, to go to bed on,
1 cup milk
1 cup yogurt
2 scoops powder
1/2 chocolate ice cream (I’m allergic to chocolate now, but …)
My daughter used:
1 cup orange juice
1 scoop powder
1/2 cup sugar
8 ice cubes
Repeat as desired.
Wish you luck on that.
Good suggestions Elaikases.
I haven’t been attentive enough to the liquid meal before sleep. It always makes the difference between awakening feeling like a flattened opossum and feeling like a rippling mass of muscular amazing-ness.
The slow protein idea is excellent. I’ve given up trying to avoid milk products, but I’ve found that kefir and yogurt don’t have the same negative effects as pasteurized whole milk for me so I don’t have to torture myself or my family to gain weight.
I used to add peanut butter and olive oil a banana and all my arcane powders(creatine, MSM and glutamine) and a B vitamin complex liquid to the mix not too long ago. Need to start that up again.
Did something to my back on the DB rows. Not bad. Feels more like I freed something up than that I hurt myself. Just letting me know it’s there.
Back and foot are slowly and steadily getting better, thank God. Quadratus lumborum is starting to do it’s job again and the dropped foot is getting stronger. I’m getting more power out of the upper glute max on the right side as well on squats and deadlifts and the right adductor is lengthening out and getting stronger.
Good times coming soon.
Abs, Kettlebell and jump rope tomorrow.
I write this so that someone will hold me to it.
Someone?
You did something to MY back with those rows ! Jeez man, 155 is just nuts! Glad to hear about your Quadratus Lumborum, I was just going to ask about that. Keep pushing.
I’ll see your kettlebells sir, and raise you some power clean&presses tomorrow as well.
[quote]zildjianman wrote:
You did something to MY back with those rows ! Jeez man, 155 is just nuts! Glad to hear about your Quadratus Lumborum, I was just going to ask about that. Keep pushing.[/quote]
Smarty clown.
The QL is the muscle responsible for maintaining hip position with respect to the spine along with the external oblique muscles. The difference is that it attaches to the hip and the spinal column. Helps with walking by both lifting and rotating the hip and stabilizing the above relationship of hip to spine when holding an offset load. Also when both QL are firing they strengthen and brace the lumbar spinal column during squats and deadlifts.
Mine is just starting to work correctly again. I was getting a lot of strain in the left spinal erectors because of favoring my right side during those lifts. Still can’t run properly.
I was happy with the 155 because my grip held this time. Didn’t need to use straps. They were sloppy though so I need to work with that weight some more till I get stronger.
[quote]zildjianman wrote:
You did something to MY back with those rows ! Jeez man, 155 is just nuts! Glad to hear about your Quadratus Lumborum, I was just going to ask about that. Keep pushing.[/quote]
No kidding, when I do bent over dumb bell rows I’m more likely to use 70 lb. 155 lb dumb bells – my gym doesn’t even have those.
Though I’m going to try some Gunther Rows this week.
[quote]skidmark wrote:
The QL is the muscle responsible for maintaining hip position with respect to the spine along with the external oblique muscles. The difference is that it attaches to the hip and the spinal column.
Helps with walking by both lifting and rotating the hip and stabilizing the above relationship of hip to spine when holding an offset load. Also when both QL are firing they strengthen and brace the lumbar spinal column during squats and deadlifts.
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It might just be me, but Skidmark reminds me of the Holiday Inn Express adds.
Q. “Are you a doctor?”
A. “No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.”
Skid, I thought you worked on computers for a living?
[quote]Elaikases wrote:
zildjianman wrote:
You did something to MY back with those rows ! Jeez man, 155 is just nuts! Glad to hear about your Quadratus Lumborum, I was just going to ask about that. Keep pushing.
No kidding, when I do bent over dumb bell rows I’m more likely to use 70 lb. 155 lb dumb bells – my gym doesn’t even have those.
Though I’m going to try some Gunther Rows this week.
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Are those the ones that are like hyper-extensions + a row? That is some nasty good stuff.
[quote]skidmark wrote:
Abs, Kettlebell and jump rope tomorrow.
I write this so that someone will hold me to it.
Someone?[/quote]
Those of us ten hours or more ahead of you in the space-time continuum have been waiting impatiently for the results of your commitment.
I used to love jumping rope. When last I tried it a few years ago my knees refused to play along. Maybe it is time to try again.
[quote]mday wrote:
skidmark wrote:
The QL is the muscle responsible for maintaining hip position with respect to the spine along with the external oblique muscles. The difference is that it attaches to the hip and the spinal column.
Helps with walking by both lifting and rotating the hip and stabilizing the above relationship of hip to spine when holding an offset load. Also when both QL are firing they strengthen and brace the lumbar spinal column during squats and deadlifts.
.
It might just be me, but Skidmark reminds me of the Holiday Inn Express adds.
Q. “Are you a doctor?”
A. “No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.”
Skid, I thought you worked on computers for a living?[/quote]
I do. But I’ve been reading a bunch and thinking a bunch about kinesiology. Not studying books, but for learning the muscle names and puzzling out why they work and how they work. Particularly since my injury last year.
Speaking of which, it has been 11 months since that injury. I was told that it would take 2 years to recover to the point where I could lift weights again without surgery by a back doctor and also told I would never lift 400 lbs on my back again by a respected physical therapist.
I elected not to have surgery, started working my upper body as soon as I could lay on a bench or stand up and did any movements which didn’t cause pain. As pain diminished I started adding lower body exercises such as belt squats and light barbell squats.
To date I have deadlifted more weight for more reps than before my injury, competed in PL and equalled my gym squat record (outlifting the majority of lifters who were competing in the higher weight classes), squatted 425 pounds for multiple partials and done walkouts with 585 lbs on my back. It stills hurts occasionally, but not enough to stop me.
Never listen to a doctor who does not exercise.
[quote]1Geech wrote:
skidmark wrote:
Abs, Kettlebell and jump rope tomorrow.
I write this so that someone will hold me to it.
Someone?
Those of us ten hours or more ahead of you in the space-time continuum have been waiting impatiently for the results of your commitment.
I used to love jumping rope. When last I tried it a few years ago my knees refused to play along. Maybe it is time to try again.[/quote]
Does this mean you’re my fan? Or is this a friend you’re talking about? 10 Euros per autograph. Or is the franc doing better than the euro right now?
Send groupies.
2008-10-23
GPP
Kettlebell Swing (head height)
53 4x30, 30 sec rest between sets
Jump Rope
3 min
Ab Wheel (devised by some satanic Marine drill sergeant somewhere)
from knees to full extension
1x20,1x15
Leg lifts
psych! got one set of 8
Back feels much better now. Hardest part of ab wheel is that my lats get tired. Sooooooo…
I do more of them.
I have no conditioning whatsoever.