Errr I don’t know if ephedrine can be considered as an amphetamine. I guess so 
Well, funny thing is I remember taking that shit when I was 17 and damn…I actually gained lean body mass on that shit in like 6 weeks. My doc noticed it also at the time.
Ah bdw…long term use of ephedrine actually makes me feel tired all day long. As a rule of thumb I use that stuff 2 week on, 1 week off. For the time being HOT-ROX Extreme at max dose is doing the job quite well. God bless yohimbine HCL.
hmmm ok. Yeah well, it kinda makes you ‘rush’ hehe I know what you mean by the ‘same family’ there.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Pretzel Logic wrote:
Did you guys who used adderall feel addicted, have trouble coming off? I use ephedrine,ps,albuterol for energy and motivation but I am afraid of getting addicted to amphetamine use for the same purpose. I don’t know any amphetamine users but tons of methamphetamine users and almost all ruined their lives for awhile, and were addicted but some also lost a lot of fat and got in good shape without trying. Of course their skin got in worse shape though.
Have you tried moda? IMO it’s the perfect alternative ‘stim’ for those concerned about proper stim addiction.
(I say ‘stim’ because since there is zero crash with moda, I can’t equate it to other stims)
Moda is actually one of the few viable treatments for cocain addiction, because it provides the adrenergic energy/motivation, without the dopamine pleasure release or limbic system reward cycle addiction.
BBB[/quote]
Being little older than most of you fellows, and growing up during the 70s, I have quite a lot of experiences with amphetamines, and I mean REAL amphetamines, like “Black Beauties” which could keep you up for 36 hours, allow you to drink a case and a half of beer and not eat a single bite of food all damn day. Extremely effective for fat loss…as well as brain cell loss. It is extremely easy to get into a self destructive cycle of amphetamine abuse, and if you think you’re different, so did every other addict before they started. But if you’re prone to that kind of thing, there’s no point in me warning you, you won’t listen anyway - I sure didn’t.
Enough scolding.
As BBB mentioned, moda (modafinil) seems to be a pretty safe substitute. Get a lot of energy, enhanced mood and super alertness/cognitive ability without jitters or euphoria. The US military switched over to modafinil as their “go pills” (for fighter pilots and special ops) after they found out too many of them got the “yips” while using amphetamines and were a bit trigger happy. I work in a high-stress environment for 12 hr shifts and the moda allows me to hang with it for a high level of alertness and engagement without being wired. On my days off, I feel no need to take it to get a buzz (there really is no euphoric component). As far as fat loss, it is a mild appetite depressant, but I would not call it a fat burner. Available many places online (it is non-prescription in many parts of the world)
Truth be told, the only fat loss strategy I’ve ever used with success is to learn to eat right for long term health and weight management. I understand for those that compete, there can be the need to quickly drop a few pounds, but I don’t compete, so I don’t know much about those tips and tricks.
If you can’t be good, at least be careful.
[quote]testolius wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Pretzel Logic wrote:
Did you guys who used adderall feel addicted, have trouble coming off? I use ephedrine,ps,albuterol for energy and motivation but I am afraid of getting addicted to amphetamine use for the same purpose. I don’t know any amphetamine users but tons of methamphetamine users and almost all ruined their lives for awhile, and were addicted but some also lost a lot of fat and got in good shape without trying. Of course their skin got in worse shape though.
Have you tried moda? IMO it’s the perfect alternative ‘stim’ for those concerned about proper stim addiction.
(I say ‘stim’ because since there is zero crash with moda, I can’t equate it to other stims)
Moda is actually one of the few viable treatments for cocain addiction, because it provides the adrenergic energy/motivation, without the dopamine pleasure release or limbic system reward cycle addiction.
BBB
Being little older than most of you fellows, and growing up during the 70s, I have quite a lot of experiences with amphetamines, and I mean REAL amphetamines, like “Black Beauties” which could keep you up for 36 hours, allow you to drink a case and a half of beer and not eat a single bite of food all damn day. Extremely effective for fat loss…as well as brain cell loss. It is extremely easy to get into a self destructive cycle of amphetamine abuse, and if you think you’re different, so did every other addict before they started. But if you’re prone to that kind of thing, there’s no point in me warning you, you won’t listen anyway - I sure didn’t.
Enough scolding.
As BBB mentioned, moda (modafinil) seems to be a pretty safe substitute. Get a lot of energy, enhanced mood and super alertness/cognitive ability without jitters or euphoria. The US military switched over to modafinil as their “go pills” (for fighter pilots and special ops) after they found out too many of them got the “yips” while using amphetamines and were a bit trigger happy. I work in a high-stress environment for 12 hr shifts and the moda allows me to hang with it for a high level of alertness and engagement without being wired. On my days off, I feel no need to take it to get a buzz (there really is no euphoric component). As far as fat loss, it is a mild appetite depressant, but I would not call it a fat burner. Available many places online (it is non-prescription in many parts of the world)
Truth be told, the only fat loss strategy I’ve ever used with success is to learn to eat right for long term health and weight management. I understand for those that compete, there can be the need to quickly drop a few pounds, but I don’t compete, so I don’t know much about those tips and tricks.
If you can’t be good, at least be careful.[/quote]
Ahhhh yes, good ol Black Beauties…lol.
I seem to recall snorting a few of those right off the desk in high school now that I think of it…lmao.
We do have a bit of time on these young guys now I dare say…
Hey great post Testo…Moda is the King imho also.
Cheers,
ToneBone
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Pretzel Logic wrote:
Did you guys who used adderall feel addicted, have trouble coming off? I use ephedrine,ps,albuterol for energy and motivation but I am afraid of getting addicted to amphetamine use for the same purpose. I don’t know any amphetamine users but tons of methamphetamine users and almost all ruined their lives for awhile, and were addicted but some also lost a lot of fat and got in good shape without trying. Of course their skin got in worse shape though.
Have you tried moda? IMO it’s the perfect alternative ‘stim’ for those concerned about proper stim addiction.
(I say ‘stim’ because since there is zero crash with moda, I can’t equate it to other stims)
Moda is actually one of the few viable treatments for cocain addiction, because it provides the adrenergic energy/motivation, without the dopamine pleasure release or limbic system reward cycle addiction.
BBB[/quote]
I’ve taken Provigil but not a lot. I was expecting something different,like being awakened but not cns stimulation. 100mg did nothing, 200mg wired me pretty well, I felt aware and awake and focused but also pretty jittery and almost too stimulated. I would like to get some more to find a good dose and get used to it and see how it is but it’s pretty expensive seemingly everywhere. My Psych would even prescribe it, but insurance doesn’t cover it for off label use and approved disorders are pretty narrow. BTW does anyone know why it’s a controlled substance in the US?
Where does caffeine fall in all of this? I’m not talking like coffee dose caffeine, but say 500+mgs (~5 mg/kg for a 210lb individual) prior to workout…
Also, is modafinil OTC? Research chem?
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Where does caffeine fall in all of this? I’m not talking like coffee dose caffeine, but say 500+mgs (~5 mg/kg for a 210lb individual) prior to workout…
Also, is modafinil OTC? Research chem?[/quote]
caffine has nothing to do with what we are speaking of.
energy drinks and even ephedrine is a completly different animal all together.
moda is not OTC and it may be research I am not sure
its used as a treatmeant for ADD/ADHD much like ritalin and adderall.
500 mgs or caffine is not really all that much. thast a little more than 2 no doze tabs
I take that along with an energy drink while at work.
[quote]Pretzel Logic wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Pretzel Logic wrote:
Did you guys who used adderall feel addicted, have trouble coming off? I use ephedrine,ps,albuterol for energy and motivation but I am afraid of getting addicted to amphetamine use for the same purpose. I don’t know any amphetamine users but tons of methamphetamine users and almost all ruined their lives for awhile, and were addicted but some also lost a lot of fat and got in good shape without trying. Of course their skin got in worse shape though.
Have you tried moda? IMO it’s the perfect alternative ‘stim’ for those concerned about proper stim addiction.
(I say ‘stim’ because since there is zero crash with moda, I can’t equate it to other stims)
Moda is actually one of the few viable treatments for cocain addiction, because it provides the adrenergic energy/motivation, without the dopamine pleasure release or limbic system reward cycle addiction.
BBB
I’ve taken Provigil but not a lot. I was expecting something different,like being awakened but not cns stimulation. 100mg did nothing, 200mg wired me pretty well, I felt aware and awake and focused but also pretty jittery and almost too stimulated. I would like to get some more to find a good dose and get used to it and see how it is but it’s pretty expensive seemingly everywhere. My Psych would even prescribe it, but insurance doesn’t cover it for off label use and approved disorders are pretty narrow. BTW does anyone know why it’s a controlled substance in the US?[/quote]
Modafinil is sold under several brand names around the world, Provigil being the one sold as prescription in the US, and is expensive (usually NOT covered by most plans). Other brand names include Modalert, Moderateafinil and Modiodal, all which are less expensive than Provigil. So inexpensive, as a matter of fact, that I doubt it is profitable as a ‘research chem’.
There is another drug, ADRAFINIL, that was developed prior to modafinil and is a metabolic precursor. (ie, converts to same thing in the body). Need a larger dose to get same effect and some report more unpleasant sides. Although not sold in the US, it is sold non-prescription in several countries and is NOT a controlled drug in US, if you’re worried about legality.
Moda potentiates all other stimulants, so even a cup of coffee can produce an unpleasant edge. I have not dared to try it with ECA.
I’ve got to agree w/ testolius. I am probably the single biggest cheerleader for ADRAFINIL I know. I love this stuff for many different reasons.
Coming back to Test’s comment about caffiene, I have also experienced this. A little caffeine on top of the Adrafinil can be pretty cool, but it is a fine line for me before the caffeine becomes too much. I find 1 8oz cup of good strong coffee is the max for the entire day. Usually when I use the Adrafinil, I switch to decaf.
I TOTALLY LOVE THIS STUFF.
Peace,
[quote]D3HT09 wrote:
I’ve got to agree w/ testolius. I am probably the single biggest cheerleader for ADRAFINIL I know. I love this stuff for many different reasons.
Coming back to Test’s comment about caffiene, I have also experienced this. A little caffeine on top of the Adrafinil can be pretty cool, but it is a fine line for me before the caffeine becomes too much. I find 1 8oz cup of good strong coffee is the max for the entire day. Usually when I use the Adrafinil, I switch to decaf.
I TOTALLY LOVE THIS STUFF.
Peace,[/quote]
Hey homeslice!
How ya doing? Hey I tried both, and the Adra just didn’t do it for me at all. Of course, like anything else, it always is dependent on a good source…SO who knows, but I had pretty much written it off as well had BBB if I’m not mistaken…
But knowing you to be a solid guy as I remember from my nootropic thread, I am again curious at the moment to maybe give it another go…
Perhaps you can pm me with some tidbit about a nice place where perhaps you yourself aquire said Adra?
That would be very kind of you, lol…
Peace,
ToneBone
What is the main benefit of moda and Adrafinil? Is it the added pep? Does it make for mare enthusiastic and focused training? Fat loss?
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
What is the main benefit of moda and Adrafinil? Is it the added pep? Does it make for mare enthusiastic and focused training? Fat loss?[/quote]
DH, you mean you never traveled into our nootropic thread in supps&nutrition?
It’s all about WAY added focus, concentration, rapid storage of information, energy to just “get things done”, all without hooking up your CNS and giving you the rapid heart rate etc, that is so standard fare for 90% of any type stim you take that does a damn thing…And all of that, and STILL being able to step back and take a nap or go to bed with ease brother.
In a word, it’s fucking incredible.
Ok 2 words, lol.
TB
As usual I’ve got to agree with BBB’s statement above. Both anecdotal evidence and studies show that elevated liver values are a common side effect. I get regular bloodwork done, and have not had an issue with this. BUT, I also don’t use this every day (as much as I would like to).
If using Adrafinil, Please get liver values checked, or cycle off once and a while to clean-out. I have not heard of this being an issue with Moda. Can anyone confirm?
Dynamo, Def check out the “Brain Function Boosters. . .” thread. It is lengthy, but chock full of great info.
TONE, good to hear from you again. YGPM
Peace,
InTheZone: Thanks for that synopsis. I have seen chatter of nootropics, but have yet to investigate.
D3HT09: Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
[quote]D3HT09 wrote:
As usual I’ve got to agree with BBB’s statement above. Both anecdotal evidence and studies show that elevated liver values are a common side effect. I get regular bloodwork done, and have not had an issue with this. BUT, I also don’t use this every day (as much as I would like to).
If using Adrafinil, Please get liver values checked, or cycle off once and a while to clean-out. I have not heard of this being an issue with Moda. Can anyone confirm?
Dynamo, Def check out the “Brain Function Boosters. . .” thread. It is lengthy, but chock full of great info.
TONE, good to hear from you again. YGPM
Peace,[/quote]
Yeah I agree and third that note, I had read that and didn’t get any liver values checked…but I only trialed the Adra once for a short spell, and never had plans to use either for that matter without cycling or using part time with plenty of breaks…Sort of like saving it for important studies and/or things to do, whatever that might have been.
It isn’t much of an issue for moda like it is with the little cousin Adra, but still I’ve heard of some getting more “adjusted” to moda physically, but this is after quite regular use and higher end dosing I recall. Sort of like common sense type stuff…
Anywho, great thread Pretzel, and good talk guys.