[quote]FlavaDave wrote:
Irresponsible use of any drug has consequences. As grown adults we should all understand that.
All things in moderation.
I feel sorry for his 2 year old though.[/quote]
True about all drugs.
This is shows my lack of personal experience with illicit drugs but I am hoping you can answer this question.
My friend over here has been into the party drugs for about 2 years. When he first started on ecstacy he was taking 1/2 a pill when he went out and it gave him the high he was after.
Time passes and 1/2 moved onto 1 tab for the same effect and now he takes around 8 to get that same feeling he used to get of 1/2 a pill.
Surely that amount is dangerous for his system and I’d assume people adapt to the drug and have to take more in the end to get their high. That can’t be good for one’s health.
Apparently it was sleeping pills that were strewn all over his apartment.
Broad generalizations the public may have, such as “it was Drugs” (with a capital D, under one large broad umbrella of chemicals) that killed him are moronic and fallacious thinking.
So for every hanging suicide, we can put “Ropes” at fault and ban ropes.
If it was a car accident, then it was “Cars” that killed the person and we should make cars illegal.
If it was death by choking, the the cause of death was “Food”, therefore all food should be banned and all humans should stop eating.[/quote]
Tragic about Health really. Just on my day job co-workers again. When the news came out “I thought he was a bit strange. It must have been all the drugs.”
Classic blanket statement and I had a feeling it would be pain killers or sleeping pills rather than illicit drugs. But the above statement and the similar one’s that followed mirror the general public’s opinion towards drugs in society.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
FlavaDave wrote:
Irresponsible use of any drug has consequences. As grown adults we should all understand that.
All things in moderation.
I feel sorry for his 2 year old though.
True about all drugs.
This is shows my lack of personal experience with illicit drugs but I am hoping you can answer this question.
My friend over here has been into the party drugs for about 2 years. When he first started on ecstacy he was taking 1/2 a pill when he went out and it gave him the high he was after.
Time passes and 1/2 moved onto 1 tab for the same effect and now he takes around 8 to get that same feeling he used to get of 1/2 a pill.
Surely that amount is dangerous for his system and I’d assume people adapt to the drug and have to take more in the end to get their high. That can’t be good for one’s health.[/quote]
Would you classify doing a drug so much that you develop a tolerance to anything buy very high amounts as “responsible use”?
[quote] Joe wrote:
De sleeplijn wrote:
Are you all that fucking stupid? The Government has the right to tell us what we can and can’t take. You might not agree with it but it’s the way the country works so deal with it Princess.
Nice way to get your point across, are you by any chance a part-time hostage negotiator of middle eastern diplomat?
If I have an opinion on personal freedom that in someway makes me “fucking stupid”?
If I don’t like the way a government implements laws that restrict my personal freedoms in order to protect me from myself I will have to “deal with it Princess”.
Perhaps I am unusual in liking the government to do as little as possible to interfere in the lives of the people. Fair enough to discourage people from doing dangerous things, but adults should be responsible for their own actions.[/quote]
I’ve been trying to get that point accross for 40+ posts now. It grows a little thin. At this point in time, the Government does not see steroid deregulation as a benefit to them.
Personally, I’d love to be able to get top grade test, deca, anti e’s and so on legally because I think I could use it properly but the Government says no and I voted Bush in so I’ll deal with it.
If they put some money into unbiased research and it all comes out looking good for AAS, then maybe they have some reason to deregulate it. But “I wanna use it!” and “Who are you to tell me what I can and can’t do?” don’t pack much of a punch when trying to pursaude the authorities. It sounds like a teenage girl complaining to her old man.
Would you classify doing a drug so much that you develop a tolerance to anything buy very high amounts as “responsible use”?[/quote]
The Million dollar question. What is responsible use?
Please give me a definition that we could take to the Government that they can put in place for the legalization of illicit drugs (as Flavadave wants) and for AAS.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Alright. Let’s put a bow on this thread.
If you were trying to pursuade the Government to change it’s current policy on AAS, how would you do it?
How would you want AAS available to the public?
How could this be done in a safe manner?
What reasons would you state for making this happen? Please use facts, not “Because I wanna! Boo hoo”.
Why would this action benefit the USA?
Are there any factual cases you can use to support your argument?[/quote]
All of you are yet to touch this post. If you can’t address these simple 5 questions you’ve got fuck all chance and are probably fighting this battle more on emotion rather than fact. Flavadave has presented some facts, but the rest of you are more on the emotional side.
De sleeplijn, maybe i missed it but there’s something i don’t think you’ve addressed. why is it just that people who use steroids or hGH are punished for it with jail time? while you’ve argued that people should have steroids restricted from them due to potential for personal harm due to misuse, that argument would place them in the same category as any other prescription drug. what is the justification for extra punishment for anabolics?
[quote]will to power wrote:
De sleeplijn, maybe i missed it but there’s something i don’t think you’ve addressed. why is it just that people who use steroids or hGH are punished for it with jail time? while you’ve argued that people should have steroids restricted from them due to potential for personal harm due to misuse, that argument would place them in the same category as any other prescription drug. what is the justification for extra punishment for anabolics?[/quote]
I’m not really up to date with the law in any country regarding the drugs but I am pretty sure anabolics get lumped into the same category as illicit drugs not illegal use of prescription drugs.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
will to power wrote:
De sleeplijn, maybe i missed it but there’s something i don’t think you’ve addressed. why is it just that people who use steroids or hGH are punished for it with jail time? while you’ve argued that people should have steroids restricted from them due to potential for personal harm due to misuse, that argument would place them in the same category as any other prescription drug. what is the justification for extra punishment for anabolics?
I’m not really up to date with the law in any country regarding the drugs but I am pretty sure anabolics get lumped into the same category as illicit drugs not illegal use of prescription drugs.[/quote]
Exactly. Why is that justifiable? From your posts you seem to agree with the current status of anabolics in countries like the US and Australia, so what’s the justification?
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
De sleeplijn wrote:
Alright. Let’s put a bow on this thread.
If you were trying to pursuade the Government to change it’s current policy on AAS, how would you do it?[/quote]
Remove AAS from the Shedule II controlled substance list. By extension, remove it from the jurisdiction of the DEA, and put it back under the sole control of the FDA.
By a doctor’s prescription.
You really need an answer to this?
Because right up until the passage of the steroid control act, this was exactly the way AAS was treated.
What the fuck doeS this have to do with the price of tea in China? You are a fucking Aussie. I don’t give a flying fuck what a loser like you thinks about the USA.
The DEA, the FDA, and the AMA all argued against making AAS controlled substances. They are all non-addictive, non-mind altering, and pose no public health hazard whatsoever. An over-zealous congress passed this act against the advice of everyone that knew a damn thing about steroids.
And you’re a big government douchebag. You have done nothing in this thread but write shit I am sure you get off to for no other reason than seeing your writing on the internet. If you think you have produced logical reasoning, you need to go back to fucking kangaroos, because logic was lost on you long ago.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Remove AAS from the Shedule II controlled substance list. By extension, remove it from the jurisdiction of the DEA, and put it back under the sole control of the FDA.
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Good start there Rainjack.
Excellent answer. Would that be administered by the doctor or would the patient take home the stuff and self administer?
Yeah it couldn’t hurt. Would you have the doctors educate people how to do all this. What dosages, when to take anti e’s and so on.
So why did they change? And why should they change back? Maybe the Government feels it is better this way.
I’m an American living abroad. The Government does not do anything unless they see a benefit in it. What is the benefit the Government to let people use AAS? It’s a simple question that you seem to have trouble answering. If you can’t even prove a decent point on this thread, I hope there are smarter people than you representing your side.
Good answer.
Once again you fucking tool, read hard. I’m interested to see why you guys honestly think AAS de-regulation has any chance of becoming a reality. For 10+ pages you guys have hardly put a decent point up. I thank you for finally attempting something but the reality is that you are way too passionate about this issue and it affects your reasoning.
Fucking Texans. I swear they are the stupidest breed on earth.
Fucking Texans. I swear they are the stupidest breed on earth.
And you agreed with just about everything I wrote.
What does that say about you? I can get across more logic in one post than you have managed in 12 fucking pages.
Like I said - stick to what you are good at…go back to fucking kangaroos and leave AAS for those that have a clue. [/quote]
I’m tipping my knowledge is better than yours but that is beside the point.
Fucking hell. We’ve sifted through pages of crap and you briefly addressed some the points I’ve been asking for all along. Congratulations. You’ve somewhat succeeded in what the others never even bothered to attempt.
Be sure of this though. I am happy to listen to your opinions and take it on board. But to pursuade the general public you will have to work on your attitude a great deal more.
Most of the uneducated with AAS out there would read your posts and claim “Roid Rage”. They are that stupid and that ignorant. So just tone down on the agro when you’re trying to make your point to people who will give you less of a hearing than I have.
Besides, my main point is that there is not enough unbiased study done on AAS for my liking. Once that’s done, let the people with the smarts make the decision about what’s best for the people of the USA. Is there anything wrong with that? I’ll sign up to be a guinea pig and I’m sure you would.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Hagar wrote:
Are you really for making alcohol illegal?
I am for making stupidity illegal. I am convinced this would immediately eliminate rush hour traffic, Bill O’Reilly’s and Nancy Grace’s core audience, and whoever it is that keeps loading up the Hammer Strength machines with all of the tiny weights on the inside so I get the pleasure of removing fifteen 25lbs plates just to get the one 10lbs they graciously left on the machine.
I couldn’t give a shit who drinks alcohol, who smokes weed or who does HGh. I think that personal responsibility should be the anthem sung across the country before we elect anyone else into office.[/quote]
OK I just don’t want anyone telling me I can’t have a few drinks with my buddies.
I don’t know what you mean by “making stupidity illegal” but I couldn’t agree with you more about people accepting personal responsibility. The since of entitlement and the self views of being a victim that some people is definitely a flaw in society.
You can’t be all that bad of a guy if you rerack your weights X. Its the people who are the type that leave all their plates and change on the bars that are the problem. Wish they could be fined for stuff like that.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
I’m tipping my knowledge is better than yours but that is beside the point.[/quote]
You have yet to show it in any post so far in this, or any other thread. I think you are more of a legend in your own mind than anywhere else.
So? At the very least, it is good to see you admit to the quality of your writing. I, too, think it is little more than pages of crap.
Show me where I ever gave you even so much as a hint of me giving a shit about your listening, or my convincing the public. It wasn’t the public that changed the laws. But nice attempt at creating the strawman.
Most uneducated with AAS? Have you now become their spokesperson? how in the fuck do you know what they would think? I can tell you from personal experience that, once given real information, people become exponentially more accepting of AAS use. This means dick in the real world, but just proves to myself how big of a clueless moron you are.
Classic blanket statement and I had a feeling it would be pain killers or sleeping pills rather than illicit drugs. But the above statement and the similar one’s that followed mirror the general public’s opinion towards drugs in society.[/quote]
The preliminary reports indicate OTC sleeping pill packaging was near the body. Nobody knows the full extent of what he took yet.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
De sleeplijn wrote:
I’m tipping my knowledge is better than yours but that is beside the point.
You have yet to show it in any post so far in this, or any other thread. I think you are more of a legend in your own mind than anywhere else.
Fucking hell. We’ve sifted through pages of crap and you briefly addressed some the points I’ve been asking for all along. Congratulations. You’ve somewhat succeeded in what the others never even bothered to attempt.
So? At the very least, it is good to see you admit to the quality of your writing. I, too, think it is little more than pages of crap.
Be sure of this though. I am happy to listen to your opinions and take it on board. But to pursuade the general public you will have to work on your attitude a great deal more.
Show me where I ever gave you even so much as a hint of me giving a shit about your listening, or my convincing the public. It wasn’t the public that changed the laws. But nice attempt at creating the strawman.
Most of the uneducated with AAS out there would read your posts and claim “Roid Rage”. They are that stupid and that ignorant. So just tone down on the agro when you’re trying to make your point to people who will give you less of a hearing than I have.
Most uneducated with AAS? Have you now become their spokesperson? how in the fuck do you know what they would think? I can tell you from personal experience that, once given real information, people become exponentially more accepting of AAS use. This means dick in the real world, but just proves to myself how big of a clueless moron you are.
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Oh well, I might lose this debate but I run zero risk of spending time behind bars. Enjoy AAS being illegal for your lifetime. I’m happy with my life and have very few gripes about the Government and the country I call home. I wish you that kind of happiness.
Classic blanket statement and I had a feeling it would be pain killers or sleeping pills rather than illicit drugs. But the above statement and the similar one’s that followed mirror the general public’s opinion towards drugs in society.
The preliminary reports indicate OTC sleeping pill packaging was near the body. Nobody knows the full extent of what he took yet.[/quote]
Yeah but everyone is still jumping to conclusions. Like that Benoit guy who killed his Mrs and Kid. Don’t worry about the facts, blame it on the steroids. That will make everyone feel at ease when there is an evil to blame for it. People don’t want to think any more about the issue. Pin the blame and move on.
[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
Yeah but everyone is still jumping to conclusions. Like that Benoit guy who killed his Mrs and Kid. Don’t worry about the facts, blame it on the steroids. That will make everyone feel at ease when there is an evil to blame for it. People don’t want to think any more about the issue. Pin the blame and move on.
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You seem to be very comfortable allowing others to control your decisions and options whether they be logical and scientifically sound or not. I could have sworn this country was founded by men (and women) who were trying to escape that sort of captivity.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
De sleeplijn wrote:
Yeah but everyone is still jumping to conclusions. Like that Benoit guy who killed his Mrs and Kid. Don’t worry about the facts, blame it on the steroids. That will make everyone feel at ease when there is an evil to blame for it. People don’t want to think any more about the issue. Pin the blame and move on.
You seem to be very comfortable allowing others to control your decisions and options whether they be logical and scientifically sound or not. I could have sworn this country was founded by men (and women) who were trying to escape that sort of captivity. [/quote]
Yes, Professor, but De Sleeplijn’s current country was founded (or at least populated) by men and women who were quite literally in captivity. So his comfort seems understandable.