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[quote]BH6 wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Furthermore, if the U.S. were ever actually threatened by another country, it would be a simple matter to move to Europe, or Canada, or certain parts of Asia, or Scandinavia, and enjoy all of the same “freedom” that I have here.

Man up and give it try. Write back to us in a year and let us all know how that works out for you. Other than that, I don’t have much else to say to you. I’ve never understood civilians like you and I probably never will. Good luck, stay safe, have a good workout today.
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How does Nominal think Europe has remained free? Lots of guys went to war to fight the Nazi’s to end Hitler’s oppression on the continent. If we hadn’t defeated Japan, they would have conquered all of Asia. His post was so monumentally idiotic I couldn’t even bring myself to comment on it.

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[quote]chinadoll wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Blatant stupidity like this is the reason I no longer visit the “Politics” forum. I only posted here because this thread started in the “Off-topic” section.

Thanks to those who support us. To those who don’t…kiss my ass, but I’ll still protect you.

Clarify: This is what I support.

And well said!
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He’s not protecting anyone…not me, not anyone. Killing people in a foreign country is actually puting us more at risk!!

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
I serve in the military because I love this nation. It has given me more than I deserve. I joined to give something back. If I have to give my life to fulfill my military duty, so be it.

War for natural resources is legitimate.
War to remove evil people from power is legitimate.
War to free enslaved people is legitimate.

I don’t pretend to know everything about politics and international wheeling-and-dealing. It’s complicated beyond comprehension.

Facts:

Saddam is an evil man.
Saddam bombed his own people with WMD’s (as well as thousands of other atrocities).
Iraq at one point had a large stockpile of WMD’s.
Iraq invaded Kuwait.
We invaded Kuwait and kicked Iraq out.
The war never ended. There was a cease-fire pending Iraqi compliance with UN sanctions.
Iraq did not comply.
The UN refused to do anything to enforce it’s own sanctions.
Iraq supported international terrorism.

Yes, most of the hijackers were from Saudi. However, Saudi is none of the above. Saudi wasn’t shooting at American airplanes. Saudi has no military to speak of and was not a threat to it’s neighbors. Iraq was a threat to international peace.

People bitch about high oil/gas prices then have the nerve to say war for oil is wrong. Western society runs on oil. Face it, we need it every day in large quanties. Even Birkenstocks and electric cars are made in factories that run on oil.

You say you support the troops, yet hate the mission. We’re all volunteers. Anyone who volunteered since 9/11 volunteered to go to Iraq. How can you support those who willingly go off to war for something you are against?

We are a nation born out of warfare. Our national anthem is about a battle. Our first president was our first great General. We are a nation of fighters. There is no other nation that has sacrificed so many of it’s soldiers to protect, not conquer, other nations.

War is horrible and should be avoided, but someone has to be willing to step up when everyone else cowers.

If you believe the conspiracy theories against the President, you have to believe he is an evil man. Not just a bad person or stupid. You have to believe he is evil. Do you believe he is evil? You would also have to believe everyone else involved in planning the war is evil.

Our troops are in Iraq now fighting for the freedom of Iraq as much as they are keeping the bad guys away from our own soil. Many people have a very hard time understanding this mentality of service beyond national security. I have yet to speak with anyone who has been there who said it’s all about oil.

All they talk about is how much the Iraqi’s appreciate us being there. Why isn’t this a big deal in the press? Good news doesn’t sell. Why don’t we see more cooperation from the Iraqi people? Because the terrorists will freakin’ kill them. Happens all the time.

This will take time. This is not a 30 minute TV show. God help us if we loose. I suggest you quit trying so hard to be a skeptic.

For as much as you claim:

“I’m not left, right, red, blue; I’m a fucking American, not a democrat, not a conservative, an American. How much of a dolt do you have to be to reference somebody based on their constant political standpoint rather than their INDIVIDUAL views?”

you sure do express the sentiment of the left. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck…it’s probably a duck. I have yet to see anyone make this claim (and there are many) without following up with liberal propaganda. Maybe you need to follow your own advice and start thinking for yourself.

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You said it SO well!

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[quote]MisterAmazing wrote:
Call him a ‘lefty’, or call me it, I could really care less what your opinion is to be quite honest. You’re stupid - I’m not left, right, red, blue; I’m a fucking American, not a democrat, not a conservative, an American. How much of a dolt do you have to be to reference somebody based on their constant political standpoint rather than their INDIVIDUAL views?

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Holy Christ, this is a good post; in particular I like your statament above. More people need to start realizing that we can honor and respect the fallen without affiliation to any political dogma.

As far as our troops being heros…I don’t think so. There are many people I served with that don’t even deserve the title, bullet catcher. Just because you can fog up a mirror and have two working opposable thumbs doesn’t make you a hero.

Lets keep the title hero reserved to those that go above and beyond the call of duty. On NPR a while back I heard a story about a USMC Gunnery Sergeant that took a few bullets for one of his moron Corporals that didn’t listen to orders and walked where he wasn’t supposed to. The GySgt lost both his legs for an idiot that didn’t listen–you can call him a hero for saving one of his men’s lives. The idot Cpl is most assuredly not a hero–just ask his unit what they think of him.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
… Furthermore, if the U.S. were ever actually threatened by another country, it would be a simple matter to move to Europe, or Canada, or certain parts of Asia, or Scandinavia…

Nominally speaking, of course, that’s EXACTLY what we would expect from a coward.

In fact, we here at T-Nation could take up a collection for your moving expenses and get you going right away. After all, why wait? You could avoid the long lines at the airport by leaving now.[/quote]

True. That’s what a coward would do.

The coward only threatens when he is safe.
-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

The difference between a hero and a coward is one step sideways.
-Gene Hackman

A coward is much more exposed to quarrels than a man of spirit.
-Thomas Jefferson

Hatred is the coward’s revenge for being intimidated.
-George Bernard Shaw

No matter what you think about the Iraq war, there is one thing we can all agree on for the next days - we have to salute the courage and bravery of those who are risking their lives to vote and those brave Iraqi and American soldiers fighting to protect their right to vote.
-Hillary Clinton

As we remember our nation’s bravest, let us live up to the ideals for which they fought and died, that we may be not just the beneficiaries of their bravery but stewards of their sacrifice.
-Tim Ryan

The bravery of our men and women in uniform, and their resolve, remain the world’s most powerful weapon against terrorism.
-Mark Warner

History has taught us over and over again that freedom is not free. When push comes to shove, the ultimate protectors of freedom and liberty are the brave men and women in our armed forces. Throughout our history, they’ve answered the call in bravery and sacrifice.
-Timothy Pawlenty

Responsibility is the price of freedom.
-Elbert Hubbard

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is anyone who disagrees with you a coward or is that title only reserved for the elite few?

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
They invade foreign countries and kill people for a living.

99% of these countries have never threatened the U.S. (i.e. “your freedom”) in any way, shape or form and do not possess the military capability to do so.

What is so honorable about these imperial thugs? Many of them would be in prison if they weren’t engaged in state-sanctioned murder.

Blatant stupidity like this is the reason I no longer visit the “Politics” forum. I only posted here because this thread started in the “Off-topic” section.

Thanks to those who support us. To those who don’t…kiss my ass, but I’ll still protect you.
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I know what you mean. The politics forum has turned into a haven for conspiracy fruitcakes, neo-nazis and other scum bags.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I know what you mean. The politics forum has turned into a haven for conspiracy fruitcakes, neo-nazis and other scum bags.
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Well I guess…your still here though, it used to be a haven for brainwashed fruitcakes, neo-cons and other illusioned asshats.

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[quote]MisterAmazing wrote:
I understand this post is late in correlation to when this thread was began but I was just sifting through the posts and decided to chime in.

First, I’d like to begin by stating that I agree with Chinadoll and support our troops 100%, they’re amazing, brave, men and women that I have nothing but love and respect for.

Now, after this box posted a negative remark regarding the administration and got flamed for it, when he said nothing negative regarding the troops. I agree with box entirely. Yes, you support the troops, but the administration is getting the troops killed. They’re not over there dying for our freedom now, they’re dying so the administration and their close affiliates can profit off this war.

Call him a ‘lefty’, or call me it, I could really care less what your opinion is to be quite honest. You’re stupid - I’m not left, right, red, blue; I’m a fucking American, not a democrat, not a conservative, an American. How much of a dolt do you have to be to reference somebody based on their constant political standpoint rather than their INDIVIDUAL views?

Almost all the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi Arabian, so if what the administration is doing is right, why did we invade Afghanistan/Iraq? Why didn’t we invade the Saudis? Oh yeah I forgot! Saudis=oil=money
So our men and women serving in the military, whom you all respect, die so a small fraction fo the administration can get wealthier, but you bash people for disagreeing with the adminstration?

It makes me wonder if people are brainwashed or born so ignorant. I’ve read so many posts not only on this thread but just the political forms in general, and I see it so much. The idiots that never question, that never think for themselves, that give their minds over to the administration, because that’s their political party. If that’s you, and you know who you are; you’re a moron.

You let them send our troops to die for profits, you let them piss on our civil rights, where does it end? Where do we stand up and start thinking again, the founding fathers warned of this time and time again, but what do I know, I’m not a conservative! I’m a communist, terrorist, oh whatever come up with another dumbass word to call me, make it creative. I love my nation, I love the troops, I hate the jerkoffs that are deterring this great land from what we started out to be. [/quote]

Im glad someone out there still thinks for themselves.

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[quote]ssn0 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I know what you mean. The politics forum has turned into a haven for conspiracy fruitcakes, neo-nazis and other scum bags.

Well I guess…your still here though, it used to be a haven for brainwashed fruitcakes, neo-cons and other illusioned asshats.[/quote]

You are one of the scum bags.

Fuck off.

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I thought we invaded Iraq to steal their oil. If we wanted to steal oil why didn’t we just invade Saudi? It would have been easier.

If we just wanted to buy the oil and get kickbacks as you seem to be implying why didn’t we do exactly that as the Russians and French did?

Your theory is full of holes.

You parrot virtually every left wing talking point and show no understanding of the situation and you call others brainwashed and tell them to think for themselves?

Do you see the irony?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
ssn0 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I know what you mean. The politics forum has turned into a haven for conspiracy fruitcakes, neo-nazis and other scum bags.

Well I guess…your still here though, it used to be a haven for brainwashed fruitcakes, neo-cons and other illusioned asshats.

You are one of the scum bags.

Fuck off.[/quote]

wait what?? I thought I would fit into one of the conspiracy fruitcakes. HAHA

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[quote]ssn0 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
ssn0 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I know what you mean. The politics forum has turned into a haven for conspiracy fruitcakes, neo-nazis and other scum bags.

Well I guess…your still here though, it used to be a haven for brainwashed fruitcakes, neo-cons and other illusioned asshats.

You are one of the scum bags.

Fuck off.

wait what?? I thought I would fit into one of the conspiracy fruitcakes. HAHA[/quote]

lol

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
War for natural resources is legitimate.

As an aspiring Christian, I must disagree.

War for natural resources is not legitamite.

War for natural resources is stealing.

War for natural resources is armed robbery.

War for natural resources is murder.

I believe there are a couple of Commandments agaianst it.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
They invade foreign countries and kill people for a living.

99% of these countries have never threatened the U.S. (i.e. “your freedom”) in any way, shape or form and do not possess the military capability to do so.

What is so honorable about these imperial thugs? Many of them would be in prison if they weren’t engaged in state-sanctioned murder.

Blatant stupidity like this is the reason I no longer visit the “Politics” forum. I only posted here because this thread started in the “Off-topic” section.

Thanks to those who support us. To those who don’t…kiss my ass, but I’ll still protect you.

I know what you mean. The politics forum has turned into a haven for conspiracy fruitcakes, neo-nazis and other scum bags.
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What’s disappointing to me is the Anti-American Amercians. Not as bad to hear anti-american sentiment from other countries, but from Americans, that’s like selling your mother. Cowardly. Fuck that.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Nominally speaking, of course, that’s EXACTLY what we would expect from a coward.[/quote]

So because I wouldn’t risk my life to stand up for some mythical cause, I’m a coward?

That is bullshit.

I never signed onto your cause in the first place. Why should I stick around to defend it if things turn bad?

If you want to know true cowardice, you need only look at U.S. foreign policy.

[quote]chinadoll wrote:
True. That’s what a coward would do.

The coward only threatens when he is safe.
-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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Cowards, eh? What you just quoted sounds like a page right out of the U.S. foreign policy manual.

Your government bullies weak countries (too many to list) and appeases strong ones (Russia, China, N. Korea).

Have a short read:

Pathetic. This is the bully mentality that your cowardly troops are defending.

And they aren’t protecting this country. They’re paving the way for the next 9/11.

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[quote]BoxBabaX wrote:
MisterAmazing wrote:
I understand this post is late in correlation to when this thread was began but I was just sifting through the posts and decided to chime in.

First, I’d like to begin by stating that I agree with Chinadoll and support our troops 100%, they’re amazing, brave, men and women that I have nothing but love and respect for.

Now, after this box posted a negative remark regarding the administration and got flamed for it, when he said nothing negative regarding the troops. I agree with box entirely. Yes, you support the troops, but the administration is getting the troops killed. They’re not over there dying for our freedom now, they’re dying so the administration and their close affiliates can profit off this war.

Call him a ‘lefty’, or call me it, I could really care less what your opinion is to be quite honest. You’re stupid - I’m not left, right, red, blue; I’m a fucking American, not a democrat, not a conservative, an American. How much of a dolt do you have to be to reference somebody based on their constant political standpoint rather than their INDIVIDUAL views?

Almost all the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi Arabian, so if what the administration is doing is right, why did we invade Afghanistan/Iraq? Why didn’t we invade the Saudis? Oh yeah I forgot! Saudis=oil=money
So our men and women serving in the military, whom you all respect, die so a small fraction fo the administration can get wealthier, but you bash people for disagreeing with the adminstration?

It makes me wonder if people are brainwashed or born so ignorant. I’ve read so many posts not only on this thread but just the political forms in general, and I see it so much. The idiots that never question, that never think for themselves, that give their minds over to the administration, because that’s their political party. If that’s you, and you know who you are; you’re a moron.

You let them send our troops to die for profits, you let them piss on our civil rights, where does it end? Where do we stand up and start thinking again, the founding fathers warned of this time and time again, but what do I know, I’m not a conservative! I’m a communist, terrorist, oh whatever come up with another dumbass word to call me, make it creative. I love my nation, I love the troops, I hate the jerkoffs that are deterring this great land from what we started out to be.

Im glad someone out there still thinks for themselves. [/quote]

What are you talking about? He thinks exactly like every other flaming liberal out there.