American Medical Association Went Woke

The changing the definitions of words, say like ‘violence’, they avoid using ‘offensive’ language, deemed offesive depending on what race you are, look the other way on harmful behaviors, etc. Wokism, is just lying about reality. And if you lie about reality in medicine, it cane have obvious detrimental affects. How do you treat gender ‘X’ if they are having complications with like a pregnancy and the treatment is only for women and they need permission to give said treatment that requires the person to admit their gender?

It sorts people into groups based on race, gender, and sexual preference and encourages segregation from those other groups. Not to mention they make a common enemy of specifically white men, which itself is racist. It either celebrates or demonizes people based on immutable characteristics, something we were trying to get away from, but has been brought back under the banner of social justice. Yes, segregation is back due to wokeness.

Depends on whether the harm is self inflicted on the willing, or whether its foisted upon the unwilling.

Thanks! I do my best.

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Is this a real thing that happens regularly?
Also: sex is the word you’re looking for here, not gender.

This feels like the exact opposite of the stated goals of “wokeness”, as I understand it. Can you give me some concrete examples of where things have gone wrong so I can understand your point please?

I strongly recommend you don’t pay any attention to news from the Daily Mail. Its pretty trashy, even for a British newspaper.

tirade? lol ok.

But yes, I give a huge fuck about what qualifies as journalism today. I don’t have any problem saying that. I think I’ve made it abundantly clear that I do.

Oh come on. You’re actually trying to make the case that doctors can’t adequately care for/treat patients at Mount Sinai now, and that is directly caused by these policies? Ok man.

No, that’s absolutely not the case. I don’t know where you get this idea, because I’ve said it many times to this point, but I’ll say it again. I. DO. NOT. LIKE. WOKEISM. I’m still not sure why you think I support that particular ideology. I really don’t. I’ve also called out the left for shitty journalism. It really is about journalism for me, not wokeism. I promise you care way more about that part than me.

I’ve probably literally never used CNN as a source for anything on TNation. If you can find a quote from me, anywhere on the internet, where I relied on CNN as a source, show it to me. At this point I’m starting to think you’re confusing me with someone else, none of the things you’re saying are reflective of my post history here.

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It happens. It’s a life. Also, there also happen to be differences in treatments in general for men and women, blacks, whites, asians, indians, africans, etc… For instance, blacks are at greater risk for sickle cell anemia. Woke medicine makes even noticing this by white doctors to black patients flat out racist. So what? I guess screw them?

Nope, it’s part of the problem. I am not going to pretend gender is a social construct. It’s horseshit. It’s not real. It’s made up.

Actually, it’s the goal of “wokeness”. It’s marxist ideology adapted to work with race. And there are tons of examples and you really should look them up yourself. But, I will provide a couple to give you a head start down the rabbit hole.

https://www.tech-gate.org/usa/2021/09/28/washington-university-establishes-segregated-dormitory-housing-exclusively-for-black-students/

So I gave you 2 articles critical of the moves and 2 articles praising and encouraging the moves. The prior chooses to call it what it is, segregation, the former calls them ‘safe spaces’.

Then there is this nugget from Georgia…

This didn’t explode because the complaining parent happened to be black.
So there are your concrete examples. Feel free to look up stories on Evergreen University and Berkley as well. Or just look for either ‘safes spaces’ for race ‘X’ or for LGBTQAIQWEERERTEWZFGGRAZSBMVCEETGVWSWEFG++++++ people and you will find this segregation happening in way too many places.

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Yeah, no. There is currently an unprecedented drive to understand the differences among races in regards to medicine and treatments to improve outcomes. What you are saying is the opposite of what is happening.

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Uh, what? That, whether or not true, is not relevant to the conversation. I would tell you the context, but you tend to hyper focus on minutia and derail. But if you want to join the conversation read the context and that way your just not shouting over the crowd.

Fair enough, so do I.

No, I am making the case that if they “go woke”, I.E. join the cult, it will make it more difficult to treat patients when their issues are due to immutable characteristics like gender and race.

Okay, then I had the wrong impression of you, I apologize. You came off as hard-left to me, but I can stand being wrong.

I do care a ton about it, because it’s pervasive, unapologetic lying to drive a narrative that is operating at the highest levels of journalism. And because of that, the legacy media, the biggest names in news historically are no longer trustworthy at any level and I do find that hugely problematic.

I think you might be right, but I am not sure who…

What I am trying to tell you is that guidance on pronouns or race descriptions isn’t actually worsening medical outcomes. A doctor is able to treat a naturally born female that identifies as male just as well if she refers to the person as him.

I am on the left, but I’m also a reasonable person, and definitely not just a ‘hard left on all things’ person. I don’t just adhere to party lines on every issue because it happens to be on ‘my side’. There are plenty of things I end up very moderate, or even conservative on. I’m definitely on the left side of most social issues, but very rarely (if ever, I can’t really think of anything off the top of my head) do I have extreme beliefs.

Regarding woke-ism, I consider it to be largely pseudo-intellectualism, and often self-indulgent, which I think is often the conservative take on it as well. I think the idea of critically examining race/gender relations is important and worthwhile, but I think all the things that ‘woke’ has come to mean do fall into more extreme categories that I don’t get down with.

I’ll also say, though, that I think throwing the vast majority of people who lean left into this category of ‘wokeism’ is dangerous and incorrect for a huge part of the United States. The characterization of the left as some weird conglomeration of people who either spent 100k on an underwater basket weaving degree and socialists is nonsense. That’s an extreme right characterization of the left is rarely true. I think there are regions where defining the left in these terms makes sense, but mostly it doesn’t. As an example: I live in Dallas, Texas. Dallas is slightly left-leaning by voting demographics, but overall it’s quite close to 50 50. The vast majority of Democrats and left-leaning people I know here are not remotely extreme. We tend to be pretty moderate, well-informed liberals. We embrace a lot of conservative policy, particularly when it comes to the economy, but tend to vote for more liberal candidates for office.

Regarding your point about some of the major cable news networks, there is definitely truth there. I think 24 hour cable news networks have done a real disservice to journalism in general. Stories should be presented because they’re important events that happen and need to be documented. They shouldn’t exist because a corporation needs to fill airtime with news 24/7. The only way you can fill that amount of time, and keep an audience, is by inserting A LOT of opinions, and even if a network is trying to be even-handed with the talking heads they’re putting on tv, ultimately that’s not going to be how things pan out. It’s why I also don’t get much out of the major news networks, if anything. They’re good for finding major headlines, and their reach/resources are useful for covering global events, but there’s a lot of fluff and opinions to sift through as well.

Now that being said, I also find a middle ground between, say, CNN and Fox News, versus all the ridiculous fringe ‘news’ outlets. There are really good sources for well-researched, deep dives into important issues. They are rarely accompanied by incendiary headlines. This goes for both sides. Good journalism still exists, it’s just a little harder to find beneath all the bullshit out there.

Hopefully this gives you a better sense of where I stand in general.

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That is not correct. The wokeness and critical race theory in medicine affects the treatment. They blame issues on racism and oppression. Races/ethnicities/groups have no genetic differences it is the outcome of white racism/oppression.

And I don’t think a substantial (and I mean hardly any) amount of medical professionals are accepting this nonsense. In fact, only recently has there been as big of push to understand the genetic differences in regards to different races and medical treatments. The people pushing for this stuff could easily be labeled as woke.

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source? I assume you have data or some source to back up this claim, since you’re stating it as fact? Do you have data that shows that correlates critical race theory/woke policies with worsened medical treatment outcomes?

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I doubt he does. The evidence is pointing to the medical community moving in the opposite direction.

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Actually, better. Because the patient feels respected and comfortable with the doctor making it much more likely that the patient will take to heart the medical advice and implement the doctors directions.

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I agree. This thread has become a bit silly IMO. IDK, where the idea that a doctor can’t treat an African American according to their needs, or a trans person according to their needs because of wokeness came from, but it’s the opposite of what is actually happening.

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What if a trans woman (dude) gets prostate cancer? No way the doc is going to be looking for that in a “woman”. Or a trans man (woman) gets ovarian cancer (they all don’t have full hysterectomies). No way a doctor is going to be looking for that.

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Yeah, that’s all in the patients medical history.

I know you really want this to be a big gotcha, but it’s really a big nothing-burger (to borrow dear leaders parlance).

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What happens when a male claims he is pregnant…lol