American Journalist James Foley Reportedly Beheaded

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Pearsy92 wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

If we act like pussies we are fucked.[/quote]

These groups understand our laws and culture of tolerance and use it against us. Our pussification is leverage to them. This is a key issue as well. CAIR is an example of an interest group advancing their Islamic agenda by using our laws and system against us. [/quote]

The united states is the worlds foremost super power, it has the most awesome military might to ever exist and its culture permeates into almost every nation on earth.

The U.S and its foreign policy is not one of a pussy, it is more of a bully and one that can back up its talk both militarily and economically.

The U.S public might becoming very sissified in some areas of its culture like competition being phased out for taking part and other internal social issues, but to act like the U.S state is a frightened and cowering force in society is simply not true.[/quote]

Sorry but our policies of late are pussified. Just look over the last 10 years. Look at the recent prisoners let go who end up leading these efforts again. Our swap for a piece of shit deserter soldier for high value terrorists. Look at the policy of only shoot after being fired upon. We fight wars with our hands tied. We are more afraid of international backlash rather than securing our primary National interests at all costs.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]Pearsy92 wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

If we act like pussies we are fucked.[/quote]

These groups understand our laws and culture of tolerance and use it against us. Our pussification is leverage to them. This is a key issue as well. CAIR is an example of an interest group advancing their Islamic agenda by using our laws and system against us. [/quote]

The united states is the worlds foremost super power, it has the most awesome military might to ever exist and its culture permeates into almost every nation on earth.

The U.S and its foreign policy is not one of a pussy, it is more of a bully and one that can back up its talk both militarily and economically.

The U.S public might becoming very sissified in some areas of its culture like competition being phased out for taking part and other internal social issues, but to act like the U.S state is a frightened and cowering force in society is simply not true.[/quote]

Sorry but our policies of late are pussified. Just look over the last 10 years. Look at the recent prisoners let go who end up leading these efforts again. Our swap for a piece of shit deserter soldier for high value terrorists. Look at the policy of only shoot after being fired upon. We fight wars with our hands tied. We are more afraid of international backlash rather than securing our primary National interests at all costs.
[/quote]

If the U.S was there to free people not for imperialist reasons, why would they need to do away with those ROE?

I think the reason those ROE were not sufficient for the reality is because the war was opposed by the Iraqi population and was a bogus war where profiteers made billions. I also don’t think soldiers are POS ( I know he reseted in Afghan not Iraq, my criticism applies to that war too)for deserting a bullshit war that made Americans live in more danger, not less, was not to liberate people or remove WMD’s from a dictator but was another war that was merely feeding the military industrial complex.

Edit*

I know this will probably be disputed and result in debate, which is great, but please for the love of god don’t accuse me of hating soldiers or some other accusation because I don’t support a war that in my own personal opinion was not legitimate.

I have family members who served in the wars so while you may attack my position or view of it ,please don’t just sling those kind of personal accusations because they are pretty horrible to say to someone with loved ones who do serve.

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[quote]The united states is the worlds foremost super power, it has the most awesome military might to ever exist and its culture permeates into almost every nation on earth.

The U.S and its foreign policy is not one of a pussy, it is more of a bully and one that can back up its talk both militarily and economically.

The U.S public might becoming very sissified in some areas of its culture like competition being phased out for taking part and other internal social issues, but to act like the U.S state is a frightened and cowering force in society is simply not true.[/quote]

In this case, the ennemy has
-almost nothing to lose
-is ready to die
-is ready to kill
-doesn’t give a shit

That’s not the case of the US.

It doesn’t matter how powerful you are when you can’t use your power.

Or the solution would be quite simple :
-Nuke Mecca
-Make a viral meme with a picture of the mushroom. Suggested text : “Where is your God now ? LOL”
-Deal with the consequences.

Now, that would be a bully’s foreign policy.

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[quote]kamui wrote:

[quote]The united states is the worlds foremost super power, it has the most awesome military might to ever exist and its culture permeates into almost every nation on earth.

The U.S and its foreign policy is not one of a pussy, it is more of a bully and one that can back up its talk both militarily and economically.

The U.S public might becoming very sissified in some areas of its culture like competition being phased out for taking part and other internal social issues, but to act like the U.S state is a frightened and cowering force in society is simply not true.[/quote]

In this case, the ennemy has
-almost nothing to lose
-is ready to die
-is ready to kill
-doesn’t give a shit

That’s not the case of the US.

It doesn’t matter how powerful you are when you can’t use your power.

Or the solution would be quite simple :
-Nuke Mecca
-Make a viral meme with a picture of the mushroom. Suggested text : “Where is your God now ? LOL”
-Deal with the consequences.

Now, that would be a bully’s foreign policy. [/quote]

No that would be an insane idiots suicidal foreign policy. Not a bully’s.

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[quote]kamui wrote:
Or the solution would be quite simple :
-Nuke Mecca
-Make a viral meme with a picture of the mushroom. Suggested text : “Where is your God now ? LOL”
-Deal with the consequences.

Now, that would be a bully’s foreign policy. [/quote]

I would have so much respect for an official who did that. That kind of honesty would be so refreshing compared to “diplomacy”/lying.

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[quote] kamui wrote:

It doesn’t matter how powerful you are when you can’t use your power.

[/quote]

It astounds me how few people realise this.

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[quote]Pearsy92 wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]Pearsy92 wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

If we act like pussies we are fucked.[/quote]

These groups understand our laws and culture of tolerance and use it against us. Our pussification is leverage to them. This is a key issue as well. CAIR is an example of an interest group advancing their Islamic agenda by using our laws and system against us. [/quote]

The united states is the worlds foremost super power, it has the most awesome military might to ever exist and its culture permeates into almost every nation on earth.

The U.S and its foreign policy is not one of a pussy, it is more of a bully and one that can back up its talk both militarily and economically.

The U.S public might becoming very sissified in some areas of its culture like competition being phased out for taking part and other internal social issues, but to act like the U.S state is a frightened and cowering force in society is simply not true.[/quote]

Sorry but our policies of late are pussified. Just look over the last 10 years. Look at the recent prisoners let go who end up leading these efforts again. Our swap for a piece of shit deserter soldier for high value terrorists. Look at the policy of only shoot after being fired upon. We fight wars with our hands tied. We are more afraid of international backlash rather than securing our primary National interests at all costs.
[/quote]

If the U.S was there to free people not for imperialist reasons, why would they need to do away with those ROE?

I think the reason those ROE were not sufficient for the reality is because the war was opposed by the Iraqi population and was a bogus war where profiteers made billions. I also don’t think soldiers are POS ( I know he reseted in Afghan not Iraq, my criticism applies to that war too)for deserting a bullshit war that made Americans live in more danger, not less, was not to liberate people or remove WMD’s from a dictator but was another war that was merely feeding the military industrial complex.

Edit*

I know this will probably be disputed and result in debate, which is great, but please for the love of god don’t accuse me of hating soldiers or some other accusation because I don’t support a war that in my own personal opinion was not legitimate.

I have family members who served in the wars so while you may attack my position or view of it ,please don’t just sling those kind of personal accusations because they are pretty horrible to say to someone with loved ones who do serve.[/quote]

Jesus H Christ. This is why radical libertarians scare the shit out of me. I’d rather have Obama in office than someone like Ron Paul.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Pearsy92 wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]Pearsy92 wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

If we act like pussies we are fucked.[/quote]

These groups understand our laws and culture of tolerance and use it against us. Our pussification is leverage to them. This is a key issue as well. CAIR is an example of an interest group advancing their Islamic agenda by using our laws and system against us. [/quote]

The united states is the worlds foremost super power, it has the most awesome military might to ever exist and its culture permeates into almost every nation on earth.

The U.S and its foreign policy is not one of a pussy, it is more of a bully and one that can back up its talk both militarily and economically.

The U.S public might becoming very sissified in some areas of its culture like competition being phased out for taking part and other internal social issues, but to act like the U.S state is a frightened and cowering force in society is simply not true.[/quote]

Sorry but our policies of late are pussified. Just look over the last 10 years. Look at the recent prisoners let go who end up leading these efforts again. Our swap for a piece of shit deserter soldier for high value terrorists. Look at the policy of only shoot after being fired upon. We fight wars with our hands tied. We are more afraid of international backlash rather than securing our primary National interests at all costs.
[/quote]

If the U.S was there to free people not for imperialist reasons, why would they need to do away with those ROE?

I think the reason those ROE were not sufficient for the reality is because the war was opposed by the Iraqi population and was a bogus war where profiteers made billions. I also don’t think soldiers are POS ( I know he reseted in Afghan not Iraq, my criticism applies to that war too)for deserting a bullshit war that made Americans live in more danger, not less, was not to liberate people or remove WMD’s from a dictator but was another war that was merely feeding the military industrial complex.

Edit*

I know this will probably be disputed and result in debate, which is great, but please for the love of god don’t accuse me of hating soldiers or some other accusation because I don’t support a war that in my own personal opinion was not legitimate.

I have family members who served in the wars so while you may attack my position or view of it ,please don’t just sling those kind of personal accusations because they are pretty horrible to say to someone with loved ones who do serve.[/quote]

Jesus H Christ. This is why radical libertarians scare the shit out of me. I’d rather have Obama in office than someone like Ron Paul.
[/quote]

There were posters advocating nuclear attacks and mine is the one that prompted you to say Jesus H?

:slight_smile:

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Delta Force operatives were sent to rescue Foley and other hostages early this summer.

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[quote]Bismark wrote:

Delta Force operatives were sent to rescue Foley and other hostages early this summer.

[/quote]

Why did they release that story? And if the press had it, who leaked it? And how does it coming straight from the WH make it better than coming from a media “source” that still allows for deniability on the governments part?

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Lets release this info, but lets try to keep the Micheal Brown theft tape a secret. WTF…

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Conspiracy theories already claiming the beheading is fake.

God the idiocy of these conspiracy loons is never ending. Apparently the fact he showed no emotion is proof it was fake.

Why would the CIA go to all the trouble of faking a video only to have someone poorly and unconvincingly portray someone about to be beheaded. It is like the 9/11 conspiracies, apparently the Illuminati can pull off an enormous conspiracy but couldn’t be bothered to fake a hole big enough at the supposed crash site, proof of conspiracy. Fucking idiots.

[quote] The smoking-gun evidence that 9/11 was a hoax

If I only had 60 seconds to prove that the September 11th event was a hoax, I’d point out the following:

The official coroner of the Pennsylvania crash site completely debunks the official story of 9/11.

Wallace Miller’s quotes are found in numerous mainstream newspapers just after September 11th:

“Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11. He was stunned at how small the smoking crater looked, he says, “like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it.” Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says, “I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service.” As a funeral director, Miller says, he is honored and humbled to preside over what has become essentially an immense cemetery stretching far into the scenic wooded mountain ridge. He considers it the final resting place of 40 national heroes.” [/quote]

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Sad story but very true. Trying to win wars without offending anyone is a pipe dream and all it ends up doing is setting us up for failure and puts our boys is grave danger at the same time. Hitler got one thing right…blitzkrieg. [/quote]

?

So you should be trying to offend the people you’re trying to pacify and build a nation for?[/quote]

I seriously doubt the US is doing any “offending” of the people of Iraq (and Syria) by helping protect them from this spawn of the devil.

C’mon man, you’ve got to have a thinking cap somewhere in your closet that you can don every now and then, don’t you? You can’t possibly be this stupid. You just can’t.[/quote]

I assumed Rockscar was talking about the war in/occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Where we were hamstrung by the fact that we had the seemingly contradictory task of placating the locals while simultaneously crushing an opposition led by the very same locals.

Given that he wrote that in response to your

[quote]
pushharder wrote:

To stay with the Genghis Khan analogy, we do not apply overwhelming devastation to opposing militaries while sparing the civilians. We want too many people to like us too much.[/quote]

I suppose I should have asked you what you mean by “we want too many people to like us too much” instead of assuming things.

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[quote]
There were posters advocating nuclear attacks and mine is the one that prompted you to say Jesus H?
:)[/quote]

For the record, I did NOT “advocate” anything. Certainly not nuclear attacks.

But that being said, i’m not sure an isolationist policy will prevent the use of nuclear power in this case.

Maybe it will only differ and delegate it.

Do nothing and sooner or later, someone else will have to care of our jihadist problem. And if someone else has to do the dirty job, you can bet it will be really, really dirty.

Maybe the situation will worsen to the point where Indians will be tempted to elect a far-right Hindu fundamentalist. A president who will give a new meaning to famous Bhagavad Gita quote :
“Now, i am become Death, the destroyer of worlds”

Or perhaps ISIS will connect itself with the islamist forces of Turkestan. And China will decide that it is its duty to vitrify half of West Asia.

Now, what i do advocate is this :

We should carpet bomb Mecca.
Each and everytime someone is killed in the name of Allah.
Not with regular bombs, not with nukes.

With pork blood and porn pictures.

Their “purity” is the only thing they hold sacred. The only thing they have to lose.
The only real leverage we have.

It may be unfair for the vast majority of muslims.
But
-it would be less damaging than the alternatives
-it would end as soon as they really take a side

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[quote]BPCorso wrote:

I think the USA has a lot of problems, but we’re not in total decline. We have a lot of lazy people here but we still have the best and brightest. The cream of the crop from nations all over the world still want to come here and are coming here. Not all of our immigrants are low-skilled people from Central America. It’s foolish to just proclaim China is inevitably going to be the dominant power. We still have a vastly superior culture among other factors. And “Eastern powers” is vague because the only one I can think of is China. Russia’s prospects aren’t that rosy.

And as I’ve already said, we have a goddamn lot of oil and gas. Our neighbors do too. We also have by far the best energy infrastructure in the world. Other allies outside of North America have good energy prospects or operations as well. All of the oil and gas in the world isn’t in the Middle East. Our infrastructure is also superior, as are our banking and financial systems.

Do you think the Saudi’s and Qataris can build a LNG liquefaction facility on their own? To build refineries on their own? Where do you think these countries buy their weapons from? And no one likes the Chinese or the Russians. They are bad business partners. Countries do business with them when they have to. No one wants China or Russia leading the world, even the countries that hate the USA.[/quote]

America doesn’t have the cream of the crop, and never has. What is has been good at historically is monetizing new inventions (because of its largely unlimited manufacturing capacity for most of the 20th century). It is also pretty good at getting clever foreigners to go there. However, Americans themselves have not proved particularly good at creating or inventing things.

America has nowhere near enough energy to meet its current domestic demand. Revolution would be the likely consequence of telling people to lower their energy usage.

Us culture certainly is not superior. I don’t really think Americans have much an idea of how primitive they seem to Europeans over the buzzword issues (abortion, women’s rights, racism, lgbt rights).

The Chinese and the Russians are liked over most of the world. No countries want ANY other country ‘leading the world’, they want to develop organically within their own sphere of influence.

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[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
America doesn’t have the cream of the crop, and never has. What is has been good at historically is monetizing new inventions (because of its largely unlimited manufacturing capacity for most of the 20th century).[/quote]

Um, you just completely contradicted yourself there, but seeing as it will take you awhile to figure it out… We’ll just let it simmer.

So, you’re saying smart people from around the world want to come here? Hmm…

Nonsense, and only part of the equation.

lmao.

Right. The last time we started shooting each other was when half the country wanted to be its own country… Needed to figure out fuel efficiency isn’t really that drastic.

I’m not even sure your first part is accurate, but even if it is, the second sentence is such ridiculous hyperbole why anyone would take it serious is beyond me.

Matter of taste, so fair enough.

I don’t think Europeans have much an idea how uninformed they sound when the spit out talking points from MSLSD. But as long as we can kill the babies we’re not primitive right?

Lol that racism is an “American” problem, just fucking lol.

And “women’s rights” and “lgbt rights”? Please, they have the same rights as everyone else.

rrriiiiight

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How about we don’t lump all Americans together and all Europeans together. People devolve into fucking casually bigotted teenagers in seconds on here at times.