…why do americans think that when their government goes to war for all the wrong reasons, and are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands innocent women and children, no-one has a right to be upset about that?
[quote]lixy wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
I am still proud of my people and country.
Nothing wrong with that.
When most of the world thinks of opportunity they think America.
For good reasons. Hollywood is hammering them with “The American Dream”.
they don’t think Sweden with its terrible immigration policy.
What’s so terrible about Sweden’s immigration policy? You could get into the US far easier. That’s not to say the recent wave of Iraqi refugees didn’t impact the country, but you know who to blame for that.
They don’t say France with their racial problems,
As opposed to the American South? Get real!
and they don’t say Spain with their religious politics.
Please elaborate. Do the Spanish prime minister claim to receive his orders from God?
They’ve all heard of an American success story from someone they know.
They did? I wouldn’t be so sure about that.
From personal experience, most people would pick Canada over the US. It’s not about making bucks. It’s about quality of life.[/quote]
Lixy I have already proved that you don’t know what your on about and why is it that you have to bag out another country? What has America personally done to you for you to hate it?
Why do you hate the United States of America?
What gives you the right to challenge the decisions of America… Could you honestly handle the job of being President of America?
Do you know much about your country?
Why do you hate the corporations?
I think you hate yourself and your country so much.
[quote]Simon Forsyth wrote:
Lixy I have already proved that you don’t know what your on about and why is it that you have to bag out another country? [/quote]
You have proved (sic) that? That’s rich. You just need to use “therefore” more often to sound just like JeffR.
I don’t hate America. I’m very critical of its foreign policy. Here’s why:
- It has supported a tyranny I lived under.
- It has been blocking every international attempt to put pressure on Israel.
- It overthrows democratically elected regimes.
- It invades countries all over the globe.
- It has military bases in over a hundred countries.
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That’s an inalienable right.
Don’t you need to be born in the US to become president?
Sure. Better than you.
Do I? That is certainly news to me.
I hate many things. Myself and my country (or any other country for that matter) are not one of them.
I hate violence. I hate racism. I hate all form of slavery. I hate ignorance. I hate the series “Family Guy”.
[quote]lixy wrote:
I don’t hate America. I’m very critical of its foreign policy. Here’s why:
- It has supported a tyranny I lived under.
- It has been blocking every international attempt to put pressure on Israel.
- It overthrows democratically elected regimes.
- It invades countries all over the globe.
- It has military bases in over a hundred countries.
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Why does Israel need International pressure put on it? Seems your friends in Hezbollah and Hamas are putting plenty of pressure on Israel. Your hatred of the Jew is no reason to hate the US. We are protecting our interests - don’t like it? Fuck off.
Name one democratically elected regime that has been overthrown by the US. No - not the communist Central American dictatorships you seem to think are democracies. Name a real democracy we have overthrown. You can’t because you are a fucking liar.
Name one country other than Iraq and Afghanistan that we have “invaded”. I am talking boots on the ground invasion. You can’t because you are a fucking liar.
We are not based in any country that does not want us. That includes Iraq. Our military bases are the best thing to happen to those local economies. I would love to pull our bases. I would love to leave your amoebic-dysentaried mouth unprotected. You wouldn’t know an inalienable right if your brothers in murder were to hand deliver one to your cowardly Swedish hiding place.
[quote]lixy wrote:
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From personal experience, most people would pick Canada over the US. It’s not about making bucks. It’s about quality of life.[/quote]
I am not surprised your friends would chose to cash in on Canada’s welfare system.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…why do americans think that when their government goes to war for all the wrong reasons, and are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands innocent women and children, no-one has a right to be upset about that?[/quote]
Who is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands killed in Iraq’s various murderous campaigns before the US threw out Saddam?
I say it is the Dutch for not stopping Saddam. That makes about as much sense as blaming the US for all the murders carried out by terrorists.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Who is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands killed in Iraq’s various murderous campaigns before the US threw out Saddam?
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I’m gonna go on a limb here…Saddam?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Who is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands killed in Iraq’s various murderous campaigns before the US threw out Saddam?
I’m gonna go on a limb here…Saddam?[/quote]
And who is responsible for digging Saddam out of his hidey-hole to face justice?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
hedo wrote:
Well a lot of things ephrem. Chief among them is economic opportunity. In the US, it is entirely possible to come here, work hard, develop a better idea or concept and sell it. No matter where you live in the world. If you have what it takes chances are you want to be in the US taking a shot at it. We don’t care where your born, what school you went to, if your a social democrat or not or what tribe or clan you belong to.
If you had a great idea that would revolutionize an industry and needed financing to implement your plan would you go to Holland or the US?
Western Europe has been open to letting immigrants in but not really assimilating them. It’s coming back to haunt them now. You have provided them a guaranteed outcome (social welfare) we provide freedom of opportunity. It’s been that way for 200+ yrs. It’s a new concept for Europe and it may or may not work out.
A large part of the world sends their best and brightest to the US for higher education. Look at the top 25 or 50 universities in the world. Guess who has the most. How about major innovations? Technological change? Research? Medicine? Many of our leading folks in this field come from somewhere else to ply their trade. We also have a lot of homegrown folks too.
I don’t take the America bashers too seriously. Most are miserable fucks who will always be miserable about something. America is just the latest obsession.
As to the OP’s observation. Who knows what kids think while hiking. I don’t talk about politics when I’m on vacation. If people don’t like me for who I am…to be honest they can go fuck themselves. I really don’t care. After they get to know me, if they still don’t like me, I probably will not give a fuck about that either.
I think that’s what drives the America bashers over the edge. The realization that Americans really don’t pay them any mind. Especially the one’s on T-Nation.
Best post I have read in 4 years. Even the haters play their role to a tee.
I would only add that America fears no country - and if you fuck with us you will find out shortly that we fuck back twice as hard.
Fuck lixy and her lies. Fuck Orion and his lies. If they had a life or a fucking country to be proud of, they wouldn’t spend countless hours repeating the same bullshit lies on a goddamned internet body building forum.
America could give a fuck about what 2 jew murderers think about our foreign policy. When you have conviction of purpose - little pussy assed bitch and moaners are little more than gnat farts.
I cannot fathom living somewhere that had no pride. Pride is what America is built on. It starts with your home town. Then your high school, then your college. Vibrato is second nature. Especially in Texas.
Love it, or hate it - it matters not a single fucking bit to me. I will swagger. I will brag. If you don’t like it, get off your lazy keyboard warrior ass and fucking do something about it.
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Try harder.
Covering your ears and singing the la-la song very loud does not cut it after a certain age which I am sure you have passed.
And after calling me a liar, I´d like you to show me one lie of mine.
If you cant, swagger on, but all hat and no cattle is a Texan term, isnt it?
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
And still of all those older countries, America is the oldest continous democracy. We must be doing something right.
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Only if you narrow your definitions down until only America is left.
If not it is either Iceland, Switzerland, San Marino or the United Kingdom.
Oldest continuous Parliament is the Tynwald on the Isle of Man, which started 979.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Fuck lixy and her lies. Fuck Orion and his lies. If they had a life or a fucking country to be proud of, they wouldn’t spend countless hours repeating the same bullshit lies on a goddamned internet body building forum.
I’ve been thinking about this, too. Just how unhappy with one’s own existence (or insecure about one’s own country / culture) would one need to be to make criticizing another’s country such a major and time-consuming part of one’s life?
Whatever the negatives of the US and its policies, there clearly is something “not right” with anyone who invests so much into complaining about it day after day, ad nauseam. Especially when their complaints have no real effect on anything.[/quote]
And now imagine people who are defending those negatives with equal persistence though they have even less to gain from it.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Simon Forsyth wrote:
- A lot of people choose to side with America for protection (including Australia), yet there are many countries that are older that have said “no” to America and the three big ones off the top of my head are Germany, Russia and France, none of these countries are forced to do what America says.
And still of all those older countries, America is the oldest continous democracy. We must be doing something right.
I read what you are saying and agree with much of what you are writing.
I am still proud of my people and country.
When most of the world thinks of opportunity they think America. It just is, they don’t think Sweden with its terrible immigration policy. They don’t say France with their racial problems, and they don’t say Spain with their religious politics. They say America because there is something here or a person here that they identify with. They’ve all heard of an American success story from someone they know.
Australia is a damn commendable country. You guys have answered every call from the UN and always lend a hand in a crisis anywhere in the world. Nice to have you brash folks around.[/quote]
Americans believe that your life belongs to you. The ‘GOOD’ is to live it.
This goes against every other culture ever, excepting the native english-speakers. We worship life, they worship death.
[quote]orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
hedo wrote:
Well a lot of things ephrem. Chief among them is economic opportunity. In the US, it is entirely possible to come here, work hard, develop a better idea or concept and sell it. No matter where you live in the world. If you have what it takes chances are you want to be in the US taking a shot at it. We don’t care where your born, what school you went to, if your a social democrat or not or what tribe or clan you belong to.
If you had a great idea that would revolutionize an industry and needed financing to implement your plan would you go to Holland or the US?
Western Europe has been open to letting immigrants in but not really assimilating them. It’s coming back to haunt them now. You have provided them a guaranteed outcome (social welfare) we provide freedom of opportunity. It’s been that way for 200+ yrs. It’s a new concept for Europe and it may or may not work out.
A large part of the world sends their best and brightest to the US for higher education. Look at the top 25 or 50 universities in the world. Guess who has the most. How about major innovations? Technological change? Research? Medicine? Many of our leading folks in this field come from somewhere else to ply their trade. We also have a lot of homegrown folks too.
I don’t take the America bashers too seriously. Most are miserable fucks who will always be miserable about something. America is just the latest obsession.
As to the OP’s observation. Who knows what kids think while hiking. I don’t talk about politics when I’m on vacation. If people don’t like me for who I am…to be honest they can go fuck themselves. I really don’t care. After they get to know me, if they still don’t like me, I probably will not give a fuck about that either.
I think that’s what drives the America bashers over the edge. The realization that Americans really don’t pay them any mind. Especially the one’s on T-Nation.
Best post I have read in 4 years. Even the haters play their role to a tee.
I would only add that America fears no country - and if you fuck with us you will find out shortly that we fuck back twice as hard.
Fuck lixy and her lies. Fuck Orion and his lies. If they had a life or a fucking country to be proud of, they wouldn’t spend countless hours repeating the same bullshit lies on a goddamned internet body building forum.
America could give a fuck about what 2 jew murderers think about our foreign policy. When you have conviction of purpose - little pussy assed bitch and moaners are little more than gnat farts.
I cannot fathom living somewhere that had no pride. Pride is what America is built on. It starts with your home town. Then your high school, then your college. Vibrato is second nature. Especially in Texas.
Love it, or hate it - it matters not a single fucking bit to me. I will swagger. I will brag. If you don’t like it, get off your lazy keyboard warrior ass and fucking do something about it.
Try harder.
Covering your ears and singing the la-la song very loud does not cut it after a certain age which I am sure you have passed.
And after calling me a liar, I´d like you to show me one lie of mine.
If you cant, swagger on, but all hat and no cattle is a Texan term, isnt it?
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Your jealousy shows once again since you have no hat or cattle not to mention a clue.
[quote]lixy wrote:
AdamC wrote:
I think what rubs people up the wrong way with regards to this one, is that cuturally Americans are very individualistic and opinionated, and generally like to draw attention to themselves more than most. It’s the having a stong opinion, even if it is ignorant and arrogant, and shouting it from the roof tops, so to speak, that gets people.
Nah. Opinions don’t get people riled up enough to throw eggs at US embassies and burn American flags because of some “strong opinion”.
Here’s what might:
- Overthrowing democratically elected government.
- Backing up dictatorships (that includes installing, financing, arming, etc…)
- Not abiding by international law and blatant double-standards.
- Vetoing every UN resolution critical of the state of Israel.
- The general indifference of the average American to the foreign policy of his/her government (though it’s changing slowly but surely).
Having a strong opinion is no sin. Dropping bombs on innocent people’s heads is.[/quote]
Who’s dropping bombs on innocent peoples heads? This is like your mantra or something. If you are referring to the US, I’d like you to give some equal time to the ragheads blowing themselves up on street corners every 5 minutes. Until they stop I think you can just shut the hell up about us dropping bombs on innocent people. Hold your own damn people accountable for a change. Failing that I suggest if you feel that strongly about it, then get off your dead ass and go to Iraq or Afghanistan and get in the shit. Get some boy!
[quote]Simon Forsyth wrote:
It really pissed me off because of family members who have fought in all major conflicts and I think he was just being an uppity yank twat. As far as numbers of troops in the war on terror there are a few facts that that Kerry needs to be aware of.
~ We are doing great work with the small number of soldiers we have (like our military history has proven).
~ We have a smaller military force than America.
~ We have always been recognized as being a great force throughout each major conflict that we get our hands dirty with.
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Kerry and his wife are parasites, living off the fortune created by another man.
Kerry was also pretty hated by our Swift Boat veterans here, one of whom I know, a retired Master Chief. I asked him how Kerry got all those medals in 4 months. His response began with “That sonofabitch…” and went downhill from there.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
I’ve been thinking about this, too. Just how unhappy with one’s own existence (or insecure about one’s own country / culture) would one need to be to make criticizing another’s country such a major and time-consuming part of one’s life?
Whatever the negatives of the US and its policies, there clearly is something “not right” with anyone who invests so much into complaining about it day after day, ad nauseam. Especially when their complaints have no real effect on anything.
And now imagine people who are defending those negatives with equal persistence though they have even less to gain from it.
So, that makes you somehow less “not right?” I thought you were the one who said “Just because others do something is no excuse for you to do it.”
Plus, it is THEIR country that is being attacked here. Defending it is only natural. What’s your excuse for your ongoing, clearly abnormal compulsion to criticize the US?
Clearly, anyone who puts THAT much effort into downing someone else has problems within themselves.[/quote]
We do not do the same. I rant a little when I feel overhwelmed by the worlds stupidity.
They defend this particular stupidity and out themselves as hypocrites along the way.
Oh my, do they care about other people. As long as they walk and talk exactly as they say , or else they get bombed.
But God forbid they react.
How dare they strike back, how dare they dance in the streets?
Defending your countries flaws is not normal, at least not where I come from.
Last but not least, is not me that uses Eurotrash, Euroturd, etc and feels the need to boast about Americas might and comparing it to Europes “insignificance”.
Perhaps you mistake me for someone else?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…why do americans think that when their government goes to war for all the wrong reasons, and are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands innocent women and children, no-one has a right to be upset about that?[/quote]
What war would that be?
[quote]hedo wrote:
Your jealousy shows once again since you have no hat or cattle not to mention a clue.
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Thank you for being the first to tell me what exactly makes me jealous.
The fact that RJ will probably allways look more natural in boots and with a Stetson might make me a little bit jealous.
You are wrong though, my family has cattle.
[quote]orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
hedo wrote:
Well a lot of things ephrem. Chief among them is economic opportunity. In the US, it is entirely possible to come here, work hard, develop a better idea or concept and sell it. No matter where you live in the world. If you have what it takes chances are you want to be in the US taking a shot at it. We don’t care where your born, what school you went to, if your a social democrat or not or what tribe or clan you belong to.
If you had a great idea that would revolutionize an industry and needed financing to implement your plan would you go to Holland or the US?
Western Europe has been open to letting immigrants in but not really assimilating them. It’s coming back to haunt them now. You have provided them a guaranteed outcome (social welfare) we provide freedom of opportunity. It’s been that way for 200+ yrs. It’s a new concept for Europe and it may or may not work out.
A large part of the world sends their best and brightest to the US for higher education. Look at the top 25 or 50 universities in the world. Guess who has the most. How about major innovations? Technological change? Research? Medicine? Many of our leading folks in this field come from somewhere else to ply their trade. We also have a lot of homegrown folks too.
I don’t take the America bashers too seriously. Most are miserable fucks who will always be miserable about something. America is just the latest obsession.
As to the OP’s observation. Who knows what kids think while hiking. I don’t talk about politics when I’m on vacation. If people don’t like me for who I am…to be honest they can go fuck themselves. I really don’t care. After they get to know me, if they still don’t like me, I probably will not give a fuck about that either.
I think that’s what drives the America bashers over the edge. The realization that Americans really don’t pay them any mind. Especially the one’s on T-Nation.
Best post I have read in 4 years. Even the haters play their role to a tee.
I would only add that America fears no country - and if you fuck with us you will find out shortly that we fuck back twice as hard.
Fuck lixy and her lies. Fuck Orion and his lies. If they had a life or a fucking country to be proud of, they wouldn’t spend countless hours repeating the same bullshit lies on a goddamned internet body building forum.
America could give a fuck about what 2 jew murderers think about our foreign policy. When you have conviction of purpose - little pussy assed bitch and moaners are little more than gnat farts.
I cannot fathom living somewhere that had no pride. Pride is what America is built on. It starts with your home town. Then your high school, then your college. Vibrato is second nature. Especially in Texas.
Love it, or hate it - it matters not a single fucking bit to me. I will swagger. I will brag. If you don’t like it, get off your lazy keyboard warrior ass and fucking do something about it.
Try harder.
Covering your ears and singing the la-la song very loud does not cut it after a certain age which I am sure you have passed.
And after calling me a liar, I´d like you to show me one lie of mine.
If you cant, swagger on, but all hat and no cattle is a Texan term, isnt it?
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Your spouting how many innocents the US has killed for starters.
That number is as made up as lixy’s diatribes. But you have held to it like a baby holds on to a security blanket.
But you will undoubtedly defend it, and ignore the number of innocents TARGETED by lixy’s little friends.
Please explain your “all hat - no cattle” remark. I have yet to see you offer anything resembling an honest explanation for your hatred of the US. Your pathetic attempts at wit don’t really count, since you have the wit of a used tampon.