America Alone

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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To be honest I am getting bored of this now, the information I posted about the core beliefs of Islam were passed onto me by a Muslim friend who told me that it was a good ‘brief’ description of what Islamic beliefs are all about.

Of course there will be people who interpret the Qur�??an in many different ways, same as some Christians believe every word of the bible to be a historical and factual account of events that actually happened, other less ‘hardcore’ Christians believe the bible to be more of a book of fictional stories meant to educate us.

We could spend a very long time discussing all the different virtues of Islam and the many different beliefs of all Muslims, but lets be honest there really is no point.

It cannot be refuted that HH is a bigot and I stand by that as the only point I wish to make, anyone who also wishes to be derogatory against ALL Muslims is also a bigot, and to continue expressing these views you only make a bad situation worse.

maybe its time to stop asking HOW people managed to fly planes into the world trade centre and start asking WHY instead

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
BTW, I can’t recall the statistic, but according to a poll I read, a small but significant percentage (about 10%?) of British Muslims stated that they saw the recent bombers there as “martyrs.” EDIT: Here’s the link:

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/theworld/2006/July/theworld_July86.xml&section=theworld

[/quote]

I’m willing to bet an arm and a leg that not a tenth of your “significant percentage” speaks Arabic, and that those who do, recite the Quran as some sort of incantation. They rely on cleric to tell them what it’s about when the original message clearly denounces such practices (per the Quran and the Sunnah).

It’s also worth noting that the poll was commissioned by a Rupert Murdoch publication.

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[quote]electric_eales wrote:
To be honest I am getting bored of this now, the information I posted about the core beliefs of Islam were passed onto me by a Muslim friend who told me that it was a good ‘brief’ description of what Islamic beliefs are all about.

Of course there will be people who interpret the Qur�??an in many different ways, same as some Christians believe every word of the bible to be a historical and factual account of events that actually happened, other less ‘hardcore’ Christians believe the bible to be more of a book of fictional stories meant to educate us.

We could spend a very long time discussing all the different virtues of Islam and the many different beliefs of all Muslims, but lets be honest there really is no point.

It cannot be refuted that HH is a bigot and I stand by that as the only point I wish to make, anyone who also wishes to be derogatory against ALL Muslims is also a bigot, and to continue expressing these views you only make a bad situation worse.

maybe its time to stop asking HOW people managed to fly planes into the world trade centre and start asking WHY instead
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Me: “All inmates in an insane asylum are insane.”

ee: “That’s a broad statement. You’re a bigot.”

Me: "How is identifying a fact about a group ‘bigotry’?

ee: “Because I say so, and you are a bigot.”

Me: LOL!!!

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Me: “All inmates in an insane asylum are insane.”[/quote]

That a teacher would use such an analogy is a scary thought. You are a disgrace.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Me: “All inmates in an insane asylum are insane.”

That a teacher would use such an analogy is a scary thought. You are a disgrace.[/quote]

A sad and desperate atempt at justifying his bigitory, the remarks you made

‘they are breding like rabbits’ etc etc.

are not factual comments about all muslims similar to your pathetic and weak analogy.

what was the requirments for you to become a maths teacher? Owning your own abacus?

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[quote]electric_eales wrote:
lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Me: “All inmates in an insane asylum are insane.”

That a teacher would use such an analogy is a scary thought. You are a disgrace.

A sad and desperate atempt at justifying his bigitory, the remarks you made

‘they are breding like rabbits’ etc etc.

are not factual comments about all muslims similar to your pathetic and weak analogy.

what was the requirments for you to become a maths teacher? Owning your own abacus?

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Hmmm…first you said you hate Americans, later claiming it was a typo (yeah, right). Then you say you spent the night with 3 Muslim males, but then said you were playing cards (strip poker?). Now you’re back to torturing the english language.

Lixy, your cell leader isn’t doing much better here than you. Better call in Al-Zawahri or one of those other shit eaters cause this guy sucks donkey balls.

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Here are some people I think are fantastic;

Jim Morrison
Janis Joplin
Jimi Hemdrix
Flea (from RHCP)
Robert De Niro
Al Pachino
Anthony Kiedis
Martin Luther King
Henry Ford
And my all time hero The late great Bill Hicks

There are of course many many more, but I see no point in wasting any more time listing them

All of these people American, all of them I do not hate, so therefore I do not hate all Americans! tada!

Please spell English with a capitol “E” HH cheers

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

  1. Even IF you are correct, does that then mean they are not “Muslims?” [/quote]

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Don’t mind if I do.

You can’t claim to believe in God and support the killing of innocents. I don’t care what school you went to, what self-appointed title you hold, or how long is your beard. This is not even open to debate.

And I care even less about what you could hardly care less about. My concern is with your secundum quid faulty reasoning. I’m also concerned about the bombs you drop on people who did nothing to you. Finally, you should remember that it’s your meddling with people’s affair that acted as a catalyst for religious radicalism (see Afghanistan and its infamous blowback).

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[quote]electric_eales wrote:
Here are some people I think are fantastic;

Jim Morrison
Janis Joplin
Jimi Hemdrix
Flea (from RHCP)
Robert De Niro
Al Pachino
Anthony Kiedis
Martin Luther King
Henry Ford
And my all time hero The late great Bill Hicks

There are of course many many more, but I see no point in wasting any more time listing them

All of these people American, all of them I do not hate, so therefore I do not hate all Americans! tada!

Please spell English with a capitol “E” HH cheers

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Interesting. Ford ran a newspaper denouncing Jews called the Dearborn Independent. He gave 250,000 gold Marks to Hitler.

King plagarized a lot of his doctoral dissertation and cheated on his wife (a lot). He enjoyed beating white prostitutes (FBI tape, yet to be released until all concerned are dead.)

Some of your choices suck.

In my country, we use ‘E’ when referring to the people there, and ‘e’ when referring to the language. No offense was intended.

J/C: are you Muslim?

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[quote]lixy wrote:

It’s also worth noting that the poll was commissioned by a Rupert Murdoch publication.[/quote]

Meaning what? Rupert Murdock conducted the poll? He writes all the articles?

It’s a conglomeration for god’s sake.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Lixy, your cell leader isn’t doing much better here than you. Better call in Al-Zawahri or one of those other shit eaters cause this guy sucks donkey balls.

[/quote]

Better yet, call in Qassem Suleimani

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[quote]lixy wrote:
And I care even less about what you could hardly care less about. My concern is with your secundum quid faulty reasoning. I’m also concerned about the bombs you drop on people who did nothing to you. Finally, you should remember that it’s your meddling with people’s affair that acted as a catalyst for religious radicalism (see Afghanistan and its infamous blowback).[/quote]

There were muslim extremists WAY before 1980. Maybe the Muslims should not have meddled in other people’s affairs back in the 7th century.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
Here are some people I think are fantastic;

Jim Morrison
Janis Joplin
Jimi Hemdrix
Flea (from RHCP)
Robert De Niro
Al Pachino
Anthony Kiedis
Martin Luther King
Henry Ford
And my all time hero The late great Bill Hicks

There are of course many many more, but I see no point in wasting any more time listing them

All of these people American, all of them I do not hate, so therefore I do not hate all Americans! tada!

Please spell English with a capitol “E” HH cheers

Interesting. Ford ran a newspaper denouncing Jews called the Dearborn Independent. He gave 250,000 gold Marks to Hitler.

King plagarized a lot of his doctoral dissertation and cheated on his wife (a lot). He enjoyed beating white prostitutes (FBI tape, yet to be released until all concerned are dead.)

Some of your choices suck.

In my country, we use ‘E’ when referring to the people there, and ‘e’ when referring to the language. No offense was intended.

J/C: are you Muslim?

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No offence taken but the language should still be with an “E” BTW

AM I Muslim? No far from it

A lot of the people I have chose there have many bad sides to their personalities, a couple of them were long term heroin addicts, not good!

I still like and respect them for the good things that they have achieved

And it is not relevant if you disagree with those choices the point is I do not hate all Americans, in fact apart from a few people who broke into my flat and beat me in my bed when I was 22 I do not hate anyone.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Meaning what? Rupert Murdock conducted the poll? He writes all the articles? [/quote]

Meaning the results should be taken with a grain of salt. I’d be happy to review the questions and methods, but their report isn’t public.

A very very biased one.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
There were muslim extremists WAY before 1980. [/quote]

Reread my post, and look up catalyst in a dictionary.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
PS You can’t be a “true” American if you fight (or otherwise engage in) questionable wars. All those people in Iraq and otherwise involved with that war? They’re not REAL Americans (regardless of what THEY say), so how can you fault the US for Iraq? [/quote]

Words like “true”, “REAL” make for a nice reductio ad absurdum, don’t they? Nonetheless, it’s worth noting that the war was sold on phony pretexts, and that the US’ military intervention created a nest for terrorism that turns out to be a real threat. The American people would have never supported the war if it wasn’t for the WMD and the Al-Qaeda connection lies. Every single poll taken shows the majority of American troops want to get the hell out of Iraq and go back home. It’s your fskcing leadership that’s pissing on the American constitution and not bothering about the will of the people.

Being American has nothing to do with fighting in questionable wars. It’s about citizenship. It’s not an ideology. And even if you wanted to get technical and consider the constitution an ideology, I’ll have to remind you of the number of Americans who’ve never read it. Worse, I’ll have to point out to the Americans who can’t even speak English. Plenty of Americans want the troops to come back home. And given a choice, a huge proportion would not give out tax money to feed the war machine in Iraq.

America is as diverse as a country gets. Nice try though.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
And I care even less about what you could hardly care less about. My concern is with your secundum quid faulty reasoning. I’m also concerned about the bombs you drop on people who did nothing to you. Finally, you should remember that it’s your meddling with people’s affair that acted as a catalyst for religious radicalism (see Afghanistan and its infamous blowback).

There were muslim extremists WAY before 1980. Maybe the Muslims should not have meddled in other people’s affairs back in the 7th century.[/quote]

Lixy, did we drop bombs on people’s heads in India? In Sudan? In Syria? In Iran? In Chechnia? In Brazil?

But it was ok for the Russians to drop bombs on your brother’s heads in Afghansitan???

You condemn us for “creating” terrorism because we helped
Ahmad Shah Massoud fight the Soviets, but why don’t you condmen the Soviets for dropping bombs on his follower’s heads?

The Soviets can drop bombs on people’s heads and it’s ok?
The USA helps these people and it’s wrong?

What kind of logic (or lack of) do you use?

Besides, the muslims shouldn’t have gone around invading other people’s countries back in the 7th Century. They invaded many more countries than the US ever did.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
But it was ok for the Russians to drop bombs on your brother’s heads in Afghansitan??? [/quote]

Of course not.

[quote]You condemn us for “creating” terrorism because we helped
Ahmad Shah Massoud fight the Soviets, but why don’t you condmen the Soviets for dropping bombs on his follower’s heads? [/quote]

Because there aren’t Soviets around here trying to argue that what their military and secret services did was noble and the right thing to do. But since you ask, I do condemn the Soviets.

[quote]The Soviets can drop bombs on people’s heads and it’s ok?
[/quote]

Now, see, this is as big a strawman as it gets.

I’m not the one using logical fallacies. You are.

[quote]Besides, the muslims shouldn’t have gone around invading other people’s countries back in the 7th Century.

Sure. But while we’re stating the obvious, Adam shouldn’t have bitten in that apple, Coppola shouldn’t have made the Godfather a trilogy, and Lincoln shouldn’t have gone to the theater.

Are you comparing the events taking place over 15 centuries, to those which happened in three and a half centuries? Wait, don’t answer that. You are obviously oblivious to logic.