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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
electric_eales wrote:

Not all Muslims are like you say they are, many are peace loving people there are over 9 million Muslims living in the US.

Where the hell are these people? Everyone talks about the peace loving Muslims, but I never see any mass rallies condemning terrorism? No cries to modify their religion so it can co-exist with others.

Yeah, tell me these people are afraid to speak out, but if they did so in mass (9 million, you say) they would have power behind them.

They either are non-existent or cowards.
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No more true words were ever spoken.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
electric_eales wrote:

Not all Muslims are like you say they are, many are peace loving people there are over 9 million Muslims living in the US.

Where the hell are these people? Everyone talks about the peace loving Muslims, but I never see any mass rallies condemning terrorism? No cries to modify their religion so it can co-exist with others.

Yeah, tell me these people are afraid to speak out, but if they did so in mass (9 million, you say) they would have power behind them.

They either are non-existent or cowards.

No more true words were ever spoken.

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They are scared. Speaking out gets people killed.

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My pleasure.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
electric_eales wrote:

Not all Muslims are like you say they are, many are peace loving people there are over 9 million Muslims living in the US.

Where the hell are these people? Everyone talks about the peace loving Muslims, but I never see any mass rallies condemning terrorism? No cries to modify their religion so it can co-exist with others.

Yeah, tell me these people are afraid to speak out, but if they did so in mass (9 million, you say) they would have power behind them.

They either are non-existent or cowards.
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Maybe the American media is not very forthcoming in portraying normal Muslims as peaceful people that are in no way the same as the Islamic fundamentalists.

In the UK I have seen many Muslim leaders speak out against the atrocities of 9/11 and other acts and beliefs of the Islamic fundamentalists.

I have also seen news reports of Muslims giving information to police about people in their community that express racist and hateful views towards the west.

My only point is that it is not fair to say all Muslims are bad it simply is not, it is also racists to say that. I am interested in what way Muslims are portrayed in the US, in the UK terrorists are referred to as Islamic extremists or fundamentalists, there is never any connection between Muslims as a whole and terrorist activities.

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[quote]electric_eales wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
electric_eales wrote:

Not all Muslims are like you say they are, many are peace loving people there are over 9 million Muslims living in the US.

Where the hell are these people? Everyone talks about the peace loving Muslims, but I never see any mass rallies condemning terrorism? No cries to modify their religion so it can co-exist with others.

Yeah, tell me these people are afraid to speak out, but if they did so in mass (9 million, you say) they would have power behind them.

They either are non-existent or cowards.

Maybe the American media is not very forthcoming in portraying normal Muslims as peaceful people that are in no way the same as the Islamic fundamentalists.

In the UK I have seen many Muslim leaders speak out against the atrocities of 9/11 and other acts and beliefs of the Islamic fundamentalists.

I have also seen news reports of Muslims giving information to police about people in their community that express racist and hateful views towards the west.

My only point is that it is not fair to say all Muslims are bad it simply is not, it is also racists to say that. I am interested in what way Muslims are portrayed in the US, in the UK terrorists are referred to as Islamic extremists or fundamentalists, there is never any connection between Muslims as a whole and terrorist activities.

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As Malcolm X was fond of pointing out near the end of his life, after he went on his hadj, Muslims are ALL colors and races. To keep repeating that anyone who dislikes this religion is a racist is a crude and very stupid attack. It is NOT racist to dislike a religion.

I suspect that YOU are a racist, because you think that all Muslims are of a particular (Arabic) ethnic group. You therefore equate anyone who doesn’t like the religion as someone who dislikes that ethnic group.

You’re either stupid or doing a bad troll job. If you want to learn how to troll, read some of Wreckless’ anti-American rants. Learn from someone who at least knows WTF he’s doing. Jeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
electric_eales wrote:

Not all Muslims are like you say they are, many are peace loving people there are over 9 million Muslims living in the US.

Where the hell are these people? Everyone talks about the peace loving Muslims, but I never see any mass rallies condemning terrorism? No cries to modify their religion so it can co-exist with others.

Yeah, tell me these people are afraid to speak out, but if they did so in mass (9 million, you say) they would have power behind them.

They either are non-existent or cowards.

Maybe the American media is not very forthcoming in portraying normal Muslims as peaceful people that are in no way the same as the Islamic fundamentalists.

In the UK I have seen many Muslim leaders speak out against the atrocities of 9/11 and other acts and beliefs of the Islamic fundamentalists.

I have also seen news reports of Muslims giving information to police about people in their community that express racist and hateful views towards the west.

My only point is that it is not fair to say all Muslims are bad it simply is not, it is also racists to say that. I am interested in what way Muslims are portrayed in the US, in the UK terrorists are referred to as Islamic extremists or fundamentalists, there is never any connection between Muslims as a whole and terrorist activities.

As Malcolm X was fond of pointing out near the end of his life, after he went on his hadj, Muslims are ALL colors and races. To keep repeating that anyone who dislikes this religion is a racist is a crude and very stupid attack. It is NOT racist to dislike a religion.

I suspect that YOU are a racist, because you think that all Muslims are of a particular (Arabic) ethnic group. You therefore equate anyone who doesn’t like the religion as someone who dislikes that ethnic group.

You’re either stupid or doing a bad troll job. If you want to learn how to troll, read some of Wreckless’ anti-American rants. Learn from someone who at least knows WTF he’s doing. Jeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…

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Please point out where I state all Muslims are arabic, I have lived in Africa for many years and there were a lot of Muslims there that were not of Arabic desent so your talking bollox.

I am not attempting to troll and I am not anti American I am simply stating that it is wrong of you to say bad things about an estimated 1.4 billion Muslims becuase of the actions of islamic terrorists.

Maybe terminology is different in your country, but racism in my country is expanded beyond discriminating soley due to someones race, it includes a discriminating against a persons religion as well.

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[quote]electric_eales wrote:

Maybe terminology is different in your country, but racism in my country is expanded beyond discriminating soley due to someones race, it includes a discriminating against a persons religion as well.

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You’ve said that you hate Americans, though you later tried to CYA with your Freudian slip. Does this make you a racist? According to your definition, it does. Yet just about every race on the planet is represented in America.

You should actually support America, since it is your last hope to rescue western civilisation.

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[quote]electric_eales wrote:

I have sditied my post which may have ben the worst typo i have ver made, I do not hate Americans, Britain was never beaten by Russia by the way so I am not sure what you are on about there.

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Ok, no offense taken.

Britian was not physically beaten by Russia, but the Russians fueled the various revolutions around the world which kicked the French, British and other Europeans out of many of their colonies. Basically, I was saying that many of the European countries lost their empires to the Communist revolutionaries and we brought them down.

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[quote]electric_eales wrote:

and your point is what?

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You said, “do you want a global religious war?” or something close to that, my point was it is going on with or without our involvement.

They have declared war on us. We can either do nothing, appease them and be defeated, or fight back.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
They are scared. Speaking out gets people killed.[/quote]

It seems not speaking out has the same result.

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[quote]Heliotrope wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Until you can learn the difference between a race and a religion, quit posting this stupidity of yours.

I see that you are 5’4". I am a racist against midgets. I hereby declare that I do NOT like midgets! (j/k)

Because the word racism shres the smae first 3 letters with the word race, does not mean that to be racist you can only do so by discriminating against race.

Racism is essentially a belief that one race is superior in comparison to another and could be extended to a larger group such as a religion.

So what.

All beliefs are racist at heart.

Why would someone believe something if they honestly felt it was inferior?[/quote]

Your logic is sound, but it’s worth noting that egalitarian crusaders operate under the motto “seperate but equal”. That is the doctrine they invoke to justify their rejection of obvious disparities among races.

In doing so, they reject biological principles wholesale. Biology is structured hierarchically, not horizontally. “Seperate but equal” simply doesn’t exist, anywhere on the planet. It’s a myth of liberal creations.

“Race equality” works about as well as “class equality”. That is, it doesn’t.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
electric_eales wrote:

Maybe terminology is different in your country, but racism in my country is expanded beyond discriminating soley due to someones race, it includes a discriminating against a persons religion as well.

You’ve said that you hate Americans, though you later tried to CYA with your Freudian slip. Does this make you a racist? According to your definition, it does. Yet just about every race on the planet is represented in America.

You should actually support America, since it is your last hope to rescue western civilisation.

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HH it is up to you if you believe that I made a geniune error about saying I hate Americans, I think if you was fair you would give me the benifit of the doubt, but as it helps support your argument against me I suppose you will choose not to belive I made a mistake and that I do NOT hate Americans.

Think about it, the only reason I posted in this thread was to tell you I thought you were in the wrong and being racist for discriminating against ALL Muslims. Why would I then go and do the same against Americans? Also I enjoy being a memnber of this American based web forum I am not that stupid to state that I hate the majority of this forums members even if that was the way I felt (which I dont).

You are entitlied to your views HH and I repsect them I just didnt think it was a good for you idea to express them so openly (would you stand in a busy street exclaiming your hatred of Muslims?) Also I think you could find better people to quote and be influenced by.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
electric_eales wrote:

and your point is what?

You said, “do you want a global religious war?” or something close to that, my point was it is going on with or without our involvement.

They have declared war on us. We can either do nothing, appease them and be defeated, or fight back. [/quote]

Uh oh! This makes you a racist, according to ee’s definition. You lumped all Muslims together and tagged them with an attribute — wanting to make war on the West.

Seems like ee’s definition of racism is that if you identify a common attribute to a group, you’re a racist. This is about the most laughable definition of racism I’m ever seen.

“Oh brave new world, that has such people in it!”

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[quote]electric_eales wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
electric_eales wrote:

Maybe terminology is different in your country, but racism in my country is expanded beyond discriminating soley due to someones race, it includes a discriminating against a persons religion as well.

You’ve said that you hate Americans, though you later tried to CYA with your Freudian slip. Does this make you a racist? According to your definition, it does. Yet just about every race on the planet is represented in America.

You should actually support America, since it is your last hope to rescue western civilisation.

HH it is up to you if you believe that I made a geniune error about saying I hate Americans, I think if you was fair you would give me the benifit of the doubt, but as it helps support your argument against me I suppose you will choose not to belive I made a mistake and that I do NOT hate Americans.

Think about it, the only reason I posted in this thread was to tell you I thought you were in the wrong and being racist for discriminating against ALL Muslims. Why would I then go and do the same against Americans? Also I enjoy being a memnber of this American based web forum I am not that stupid to state that I hate the majority of this forums members even if that was the way I felt (which I dont).

You are entitlied to your views HH and I repsect them I just didnt think it was a good for you idea to express them so openly (would you stand in a busy street exclaiming your hatred of Muslims?) Also I think you could find better people to quote and be influenced by.

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Give me a break! No one makes a ‘typo’ saying they hate or don’t hate someone. Would you really write that and not double check what you said?

Of course, anyone who can come up with your definition of racism is certainly capable of most anything.

I’m no champion at spelling and writing (I’m a high school mathematics teacher) but I DO think about what I write, proofread it, and try to check the spelling (yours is awful btw. I thought Brits prided themselves on that.)

Now, let me give you a clue: if I said ‘All black people are stupid.’, THAT is a racist statement. If I said, ‘All Jews are greedy.’, that’s an ANTI-RELIGIOUS statement.

I personally think that Islam teaches its practitioners values with which I strongly disagree. I disagree with their RELIGION. Hello? Do you get it now?

Jeeeezzzzz…

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
electric_eales wrote:

Maybe terminology is different in your country, but racism in my country is expanded beyond discriminating soley due to someones race, it includes a discriminating against a persons religion as well.

You’ve said that you hate Americans, though you later tried to CYA with your Freudian slip. Does this make you a racist? According to your definition, it does. Yet just about every race on the planet is represented in America.

You should actually support America, since it is your last hope to rescue western civilisation.

HH it is up to you if you believe that I made a geniune error about saying I hate Americans, I think if you was fair you would give me the benifit of the doubt, but as it helps support your argument against me I suppose you will choose not to belive I made a mistake and that I do NOT hate Americans.

Think about it, the only reason I posted in this thread was to tell you I thought you were in the wrong and being racist for discriminating against ALL Muslims. Why would I then go and do the same against Americans? Also I enjoy being a memnber of this American based web forum I am not that stupid to state that I hate the majority of this forums members even if that was the way I felt (which I dont).

You are entitlied to your views HH and I repsect them I just didnt think it was a good for you idea to express them so openly (would you stand in a busy street exclaiming your hatred of Muslims?) Also I think you could find better people to quote and be influenced by.

Give me a break! No one makes a ‘typo’ saying they hate or don’t hate someone. Would you really write that and not double check what you said?

Of course, anyone who can come up with your definition of racism is certainly capable of most anything.

I’m no champion at spelling and writing (I’m a high school mathematics teacher) but I DO think about what I write, proofread it, and try to check the spelling (yours is awful btw. I thought Brits prided themselves on that.)

Now, let me give you a clue: if I said ‘All black people are stupid.’, THAT is a racist statement. If I said, ‘All Jews are greedy.’, that’s an ANTI-RELIGIOUS statement.

I personally think that Islam teaches its practitioners values with which I strongly disagree. I disagree with their RELIGION. Hello? Do you get it now?

Jeeeezzzzz…

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You should be more of an adult and give me the benefit of the doubt over my typo, I do not proof read my posts and yes I make mistakes. Why would I state I hate Americans and then try to retract that statement almost straight away, if I felt that way and had the balls to say it I think I would have the balls to stick to it?

I think you are trying to hide behind a simple technicality of language, using the word racist to mean to discriminate against only race.

You are regurgitating anti Muslim bullshit, if you feel happy within yourself that you cannot be technically called a racist for this because Muslim is as religion and not a race, then sleep well at night.

It does not justify you saying derogatory things about 1.4 Billion people just because of the religion they have chosen.

You did not say you disagree with their religion, you stated that Muslims are taking over Europe and that America will have to confront the enemies of civilisation, are Muslims not Civilised? If they are not I think as I have mentioned before the 9 million Muslims in America acting uncivilised every day would not go unnoticed?

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You are a high school teacher!?

Does the authorities that employ you realise that you are a bigot (in my country you would be classed as a racist, but if you say America is different I will refer to you as a bigot instead, this is a more dictionary accurate tem for your anti Muslim rants)

Do your employers realise how gullible you are, you say how much you disagree with the Muslim religion yet I doubt very much you have ever read the Koran, and you base your opinions of some other bigoted hack spewing out bullshit, and possibly a few articles you have once read in ‘guns and ammo’

Does your employers realise how immature you are? You back up social, political and religious arguments with phrases like ‘they are breeding like rabbits’. You also lower yourself to attempt to ridicule me due to being 5’4"

I feel sorry for the kids you teach, you have a very insular and aggressive attitude and I hope that there are no Muslims in your class.

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[quote]electric_eales wrote:

Do your employers realise how gullible you are, you say how much you disagree with the Muslim religion yet I doubt very much you have ever read the Koran, and you base your opinions of some other bigoted hack spewing out bullshit, and possibly a few articles you have once read in ‘guns and ammo’[/quote]

I like how you think it’s cool to generalize readers of “Guns and Ammo”. Since you think HH is messed up for making opinions without reading the Koran, I’m curious how many issues of “G&A” you have read.
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Does your employers realise how immature you are? You back up social, political and religious arguments with phrases like ‘they are breeding like rabbits’. You also lower yourself to attempt to ridicule me due to being 5’4"
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Well of course he has to lower himself to ridicule you; it’s not like he’s 5’ tall. couldn’t help myself Though I have to agree. There are many better reasons to make fun of a guy than his height. You know, like how you’re English. Actually I’m just being a dick now. I saw you two kids playing in the mud and didn’t want to miss out on the fun.

mike

I don’t want either of you two getting your panties twisted. I’m just playing.

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[quote]electric_eales wrote:
You are a high school teacher!?

Does the authorities that employ you realise that you are a bigot (in my country you would be classed as a racist, but if you say America is different I will refer to you as a bigot instead, this is a more dictionary accurate tem for your anti Muslim rants)

Do your employers realise how gullible you are, you say how much you disagree with the Muslim religion yet I doubt very much you have ever read the Koran, and you base your opinions of some other bigoted hack spewing out bullshit, and possibly a few articles you have once read in ‘guns and ammo’

Does your employers realise how immature you are? You back up social, political and religious arguments with phrases like ‘they are breeding like rabbits’. You also lower yourself to attempt to ridicule me due to being 5’4"

I feel sorry for the kids you teach, you have a very insular and aggressive attitude and I hope that there are no Muslims in your class.
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According to YOUR definitions, if you went to the NAMBLA website, read their ‘bollocks’, and objected to their beliefs, then you are a bigot. Just plain stupid…

Objecting to a belief system does NOT make someone a bigot. It makes them an objector to……the beliefs.

I think that you, ee, are a product of our very evil lib educational system: that everything is morally equal, that right and wrong are subjective, that any behavior is allowed, ‘Who are YOU to judge!?!’ and so forth. Now get a clue: the moral relativism you regurgitate was invented by evil people who don’t want to be denounced for their evil. Surprise, Gomer!!

The world goes to hell in a handbasket, and anyone who objects to the evil is a ‘bigot’!

'Oh Brave New World, that has such people in it." (I know I’ve said this before, ee, but you really need to read your Huxley…and Orwell(Blair)).