There are many 4 year colleges with programs for kids with special needs. The kids others write off when they say they don’t have the ability to go to college.
Yes but we aren’t talking about the same special needs kids then. Again if everyone you graduate is going to a four year college then you simply aren’t educating all types of kids in the least bit. And again I say this saying I think they are excellent schools but people simply don’t have much experience in the world of education if they truly think all kids are college bound.
I would bet my life that they aren’t teaching the kids who were part of our special education team when I was student teacher at Junction City. It’s less about telling kids what they can’t do and more about being realistic with what some kids can do.
Kids with mild ADD are on IEP’s but they are at grade level. I’m talking about kids who are about 7 levels behind their peers. From what I’ve read IDEA simply doesn’t have those kids. Public schools that don’t have application processes do
My failures as an educator? The fact I criticized charter schools and you choose to make a personal attack makes me think you were part of a cult. And I’ve taught kids that your precious charter would never let in the door.
So there is a dropout rate and that is a weeding out process.
Kids whose parents don’t speak English and who never graduated high school? You mean like mine? At least the one parent who didn’t die when I was six. It sounds like you are making excuses now when it comes to expectations.
You talk about how much time teachers in charter schools have to devote to their job, and that is true. You talk about rigor and support services that exist after graduation. These are things that are not sustainable on a large scale. The charter school model, whether successful or not, cannot be implemented on an entire population. You aren’t comparing apples to apples. When you criticize public school teachers and try to point out their failings you are being disingenuous. They have to cope with a different student body as well as deal with state oversight. They also have to answer to the community.
I know of an elementary school in which half the kids are sped. Imagine having half your class, 15 or so students, all having an IEP. But that teacher is a failure.
I’ve been in classrooms where other students have to translate for the teacher and help their non English speaking classmates. Is it any wonder that they would not perform up to standard?
I’ve been in them. Both when I was a teacher and principal and now as a turnaround leader.
It’s why merit pay doesn’t work. Give me the best teacher in the world and we can give them kids that couldn’t possibly make state test scores. Give me the worst and we can give them kids who will make them even if that teacher never shows up.
But a lot of people don’t understand the sped process and IEP’s especially today. All types of kids are on IEP’s from valedictorians to the lowest of the low. It’s possible to be in schools with high sped populations and brilliant students. Basically every gifted kid is technically sped and will have an IEP.
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There is a school for special students in a district I once taught in. These are elementary kids who will literally kill one another if they are not constantly watched. It’s hard to imagine a kid that age with absolutely no conscience. But they have a right to an education so they need a school. Which is the other crazy part; there are enough of these kids to have their own school.
That’s the thing with charter schools. They can have higher behavioral standards and be more rigorous because the problem kids who don’t like it will leave of their own accord. It’s still a weeding out process. And where do those kids go?
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The thing is these types of schools for college prep and stuff aren’t doing anything wrong by existing.
It’s simply when they or other people say “we’re doing this at our school why can you?” If you don’t have similar populations the comparisons don’t make sense.
Every kid can or should go to college simply isn’t true and it’s dangerous. We are making headway in the education world against this mentality.
My wife worked in one of these for several years. Their idea of a successful week was getting the kids through a week without help from first responders.
I don’t know when it changed, but 30 years ago (when I was given a diploma and told to leave) tech programs were huge. Tons of kids were tracked into them and into trades. A whole bunch of my friends were in them and turned out just fine. A solid hand full became small business owners and are doing very well.
Not sure but we are getting back this way. We are starting to see kids graduate and ready to work in trades from day one or with one more year of schooling. Most partnerships give kids the training for free (or the school pays for it of course). So we have kids who either don’t want to go to college or would probably do poorly there going this path. And counselors/administrators are pushing this. We just have to continue to convince some parents that college is not the only way to obtain a well paying job.
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Maybe this in 2020 op?
I’ve spoken to people in education about it and they too have said they are moving away, thank God, from the college for everyone mentality.
Of course charter schools will say they can get everyone into college so a school that doesn’t is failing and racist because it’s selling the kids short.
I know people who work in charter schools that would like to give kids non college options but it goes against charter school policy. And I was half joking when I said they are like cults. Things that former teachers have told me are very strange. Public school teachers will honestly tell you the good and bad. Charter school teachers talk as if they found the Holy Grail or El Dorado and it’s Utopia. And they all sound like they are reading from a script. But if it’s so great why do they have a very high turnover rate?
Ok from the Forbes (Cato link by same author)
25 years from 1992 - 2017
LW - 23 murders
RW - 219 murders, of which 168 were from OKC bombing alone
FBI - 449,954 murders
9125 days with 49.3 murders every single day, so l will stick with my term perspective, while agreeing even 1 murder is repugnant
The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the second deadliest terrorist attack in U.S. history after 9/11, killed 168 people and accounted for 77 percent of the murders committed by Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists. Left Wing terrorists killed only 23 people in terrorist attacks during this time but 13 since the beginning of 2016. Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have only killed 5 since then, including Charlottesville.
Are these the numbers that convince you perspective is needed irt violence and what side it comes from? These are really bad numbers to support that view.
Fwiw, I believe violence is mostly a mechanism of the left when it’s intracountry. The right prefers to just start wars elsewhere.
Wanted to point out one of the reasons I’ve leaned more , or am leaning…
I was a staunch supporter of the LGBQTXYZwhatever the fuck and thought all those republicans talking about it opening the floodgates to the mentally deranged was such a bullshit slippery slope argument but now I don’t know… really, I don’t know.
these odd progressive knee jerk reactions I see all the time like giving Katilyn Jenner woman of the year lol and all this other nonsense with the trans athletes
I feel like we’ve given the floor the the crazies and they’re running amok.
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Like the current White House and the Trumpublicans in Congress?
crazy gives way to crazy.
edit: and I don’t think Trump is crazy. He’s a celebrity tv guy, he does exactly what celebrity tv people do.
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Because it is. We haven’t seen SCOTUS arguing whether or not people should be able to marry their dogs. NAMBLA existed long before this whole LGBTetc. thing was an alt-right boogeyman. “My God! What’s next? Grown men will want to marry their 13 year old cousins?” Jerry Lee Lewis was ok with it.
A business decision.
Which is being openly discussed by sports organizations. In CT a lawsuit has been brought on behalf of the girls who lost to the trans athletes. In short, the system is working as it was designed.
The GOP already did that when it embraced the religious right. Imagine someone defying scientific fact when it comes to their biology. This is the Ben Shapiro argument. Those people are obviously mentally ill. Meanwhile, believing in seas parting, burning bushes talking, someone turning into a pillar of salt, resurrection, transubstantiation, and a God that not only can defy scientific laws but apparently controls them (rendering the entire concept of scientific laws null and void), is not a sign of mental illness.
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Exactly. I’m surprised anyone would think he is actually governing. It’s like a 4 year long infomercial.
Don’t forget the tea party.