Am I A Terrorist?

[jawara]

[quote]lixy wrote:
jawara wrote:
You’re part of a religious force that’s deployed all over the world for the purpose of strengthening, and/or maintaining US hegemony.

Come again?

This involves violence, the threat of violence and terrorizes innocent civilians.

I am nobody’s minion. I do not, nor have I ever used, violence, the threat of violence or terrorized innocent civilians.

Nobody expects me to follow their orders or do their bidding, and I will shit on anybody who does.

As a matter of fact one of your buddies over at CAIR beheaded his wife.

Anyone who beheads an innocent is most certainly not one of my “buddies”.

And your homies over in Europe have been raping like mad:

Any people who rape, for any reason, are not my “homies”.

If you really want me to keep going I’m sure I can find more acts of terror that have been committed in the name of your religion that took place before Americawas even a country.

So? What’s this got to do with me, my sweat, my money or my allegiances?

Don’t try to compare our situations. I am a free man. [/quote]

I made a typo. Whats interesting is that everyone else seemed to understand what I ment so I’ll redo it.

You’re part of a religious force that’s deployed all over the world for the purpose of strengthening, and/or maintaining it’s hegemony.

I’m no one’s minion either, I joined the U.S. Army on my own free will, knowing full well what I was getting myself into.
Do some soldiers screw up and do the wrong thing? They sure do.And when they do I expect/demand justice. But guys like you seem to think that radical Islamist are justified in what they do because of the “evil” west.You won’t even look at the history of your faith and acknowledge the wrongs its made but you’ll dump all over America when we don’t walk all over the world handing out free food and money.

I’m a free man too, if I really wanted out I could get out and I’ve done more in my life to protect the freedom of others then you ever will or know. If you really think you’re all that why don’t you start by doing somthing to reintegrate some of those “no-go” zones in your beloved Sweden. But you wont…

[jawara]

[quote]orion wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
jawara wrote:
You’re part of a religious force that’s deployed all over the world for the purpose of strengthening, and/or maintaining US hegemony.

“…for the purpose of strengthening, and/or maintaining US hegemony.”?

Not sure I follow. Please explain.

Hey Jawara, you were in the US military, did you ever under orders or not, don civilian clothing and purposefully execute unarmed men, women and children? Or plant a bomb or a mine in a spot exclusively to target civilians?

Then you ain’t a terrorist, buddy.

If you say so.

Does he or does he not belong to an organization that enforced an embargo that killed 500000 children?

Does he or does he not belong to an organization that regularily kills in the name of spreading an ideology, i.e. “freedom and democracy”?

Does he or does he not belong to an organization that has killed more civilians as “collateral damage” than all “terrorist attacks” have killed combined, multiplied with a factor of 10000 or so?[/quote]

You need to check your facts.

[jawara]

[quote]lixy wrote:
orion wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
jawara wrote:
You’re part of a religious force that’s deployed all over the world for the purpose of strengthening, and/or maintaining US hegemony.

“…for the purpose of strengthening, and/or maintaining US hegemony.”?

Not sure I follow. Please explain.

Hey Jawara, you were in the US military, did you ever under orders or not, don civilian clothing and purposefully execute unarmed men, women and children? Or plant a bomb or a mine in a spot exclusively to target civilians?

Then you ain’t a terrorist, buddy.

If you say so.

Thing is, for invading forces to kill unarmed people is exceptional. [/quote]

I’ve never do anything to anyone that was unarmed and neither does the Army. If anyone does they are swiftly punished.

[Gkhan]

[quote]orion wrote:
Does he or does he not belong to an organization that enforced an embargo that killed 500000 children?
[/quote]

Is Austria in the UN? Then you belong to a country which killed 5000000000000000000000000000000000000000 children as well.

The UN backed the embargo. It was not used to kill children. We gave Iraq money for food. He used it to feed and arm his military. If anyone killed children, it was his administration. Enless you are stupid enough to believe the anti-US islamic propaganda.

[Gkhan]

[quote]lixy wrote:
Thing is, for invading forces to kill unarmed people is exceptional. [/quote]

Yes,

Terrorists kill UNARMED PEOPLE ON PURPOSE. That is their goal.

You should know that since you’d vote for Hamas after all.

And they kill unarmed people all the time.

[Gkhan]

[quote]jawara wrote:
I’ve never do anything to anyone that was unarmed and neither does the Army. If anyone does they are swiftly punished.[/quote]

Hey, it must make people sleep better at night if they can compare the US army to terrorists.

[lixy]

[quote]jawara wrote:
I made a typo. [/quote]

Euphemism?

Whats interesting is that everyone else seemed to understand what I ment so I’ll redo it.

I’m not sure you know what “everyone” means.

I counted two people who didn’t understand what you “ment[sic]”.

You’re part of a religious force that’s deployed all over the world for the purpose of strengthening, and/or maintaining it’s hegemony.

I’ll assume you meant to write “its” there.

I am NOT “part of a religious force”. Not anymore than Sloth or yourself are part of the KKK.

And I’m not sure you know what “hegemony” means either.

I’m no one’s minion either,

The hell you aren’t!

It’s called chain of command.

I joined the U.S. Army on my own free will, knowing full well what I was getting myself into.

I didn’t say you were tricked.

If you’re told that target X has been declared an enemy and should be bombed/killed/invaded, and that details cannot be disclosed in the name of national security, you’ll do as you’re told or get fired/court martialed.

Do some soldiers screw up and do the wrong thing? They sure do.And when they do I expect/demand justice.

Good for you.

As far as I’m concerned, “soldiers screw up” the minute they use violence that’s evidently not in self-defense.

But guys like you seem to think

Which is more than can be said about “guys like you”.

that radical Islamist are justified in what they do because of the “evil” west.

Depends. If you’re talking about “radical Islamist[sic]” that defend their land against oppressors and invaders, then yes, they are justified because of the evil west, east, north, south and whomever invaded their lands.

Anything else is most definitely not something I would even try to justify.

You won’t even look at the history of your faith and acknowledge the wrongs its made

And by “its”, you mean “it has”, right?

I’ll gladly discuss “the history of your [mine or any other] faith” with you and acknowledge any “wrongs” that were made.

but you’ll dump all over America when we don’t walk all over the world handing out free food and money.

No. I’ll “dump all over America” for acting like it owns the world.

And you know where to shove your “free food and money”!

I’m a free man too, if I really wanted out I could get out

I’m not sure these thousands of people would agree with that statement.

Desertion

and I’ve done more in my life to protect the freedom of others then you ever will or know.

I will assume you meant to write “than”, and that you’ll have a hard time landing a job with the same pay if you got out of the business of killing people for a living.

But yeah, you can easily claim that you have protected “the freedom of others”. Just like a Nazi soldier in France, a French soldier in Algeria or a British soldier in India.

If you really think you’re all that

When you write “all that”, what are you referring to exactly?

why don’t you start by doing somthing to reintegrate some of those “no-go” zones in your beloved Sweden.

Reintegrate who, why and on whose dime?

And believe me, there’s more things I hate about Sweden than ones I “love”.

[Gkhan]

[quote]lixy wrote:

And you know where to shove your “free food and money”!
[/quote]

Interesting. You mock us when you feel we do not give enough for disaster relief and then tell us to shove our free food and money.

Then again, about shoving food and money…you’re the one who said there’s nothing going on is the Sudan.

edit- Take your Arab oil blood money used to finance and kill innocent civillians all over the world and shove it up yours.

[Gkhan]

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
That’s funny. I seem to fit the profile pretty closely, except that I don’t have a balaclava, a Kalashnikov, and Rhodesian camouflage fatigues like the fellow in the picture.

[/quote]

Getting back to the original topic of the thread.

1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Yes
8. Yes
9. No
10. Yes

I agree with most of those points as well. That does not make me a terrorist.

But the scary thing is, a fascist government could use those points to arbitrarily round up and attack opponents.

They don’t like your point of view…you’re in a concentration camp.

[Gkhan]

[quote]lixy wrote:
Depends. If you’re talking about “radical Islamist[sic]” that defend their land against oppressors and invaders, then yes, they are justified because of the evil west, east, north, south and whomever invaded their lands.
[/quote]

Who invaded Sudan? Pakistan? Saudi Arabia? Yemen? Syria? Iran?

Why did Bin Laden attack us? We invaded Afghanistan after 9-11.

[JD430]

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
That’s funny. I seem to fit the profile pretty closely, except that I don’t have a balaclava, a Kalashnikov, and Rhodesian camouflage fatigues like the fellow in the picture.

[/quote]

Varq,

Where did you get that? Is that believed to be a legitimate document circulated by a law enforcement agency? I would be interested in learning further.

[Gkhan]

[quote]lixy wrote:
If you’re told that target X has been declared an enemy and should be bombed/killed/invaded, and that details cannot be disclosed in the name of national security, you’ll do as you’re told or get fired/court martialed.
[/quote]

Weak.

If he does not know what the target is…how can you accuse him of deliberately targeting civilians?

Does a suicide bomber not know he’s going to kill civilians when he’s told to strap on a freaking stick of dynamite and walk on a city bus??

[Gkhan]

[quote]JD430 wrote:

Varq,

Where did you get that? Is that believed to be a legitimate document circulated by a law enforcement agency? I would be interested in learning further.[/quote]

from the link in the OP’s post…

" A new report out by Missouri law enforcement agencies attempts to provide law enforcement officers with key factors in identifying possible domestic terrorists."

[orion]

[quote]jawara wrote:
orion wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
jawara wrote:
You’re part of a religious force that’s deployed all over the world for the purpose of strengthening, and/or maintaining US hegemony.

“…for the purpose of strengthening, and/or maintaining US hegemony.”?

Not sure I follow. Please explain.

Hey Jawara, you were in the US military, did you ever under orders or not, don civilian clothing and purposefully execute unarmed men, women and children? Or plant a bomb or a mine in a spot exclusively to target civilians?

Then you ain’t a terrorist, buddy.

If you say so.

Does he or does he not belong to an organization that enforced an embargo that killed 500000 children?

Does he or does he not belong to an organization that regularily kills in the name of spreading an ideology, i.e. “freedom and democracy”?

Does he or does he not belong to an organization that has killed more civilians as “collateral damage” than all “terrorist attacks” have killed combined, multiplied with a factor of 10000 or so?

You need to check your facts.[/quote]

I have.

Those are facts.

[orion]

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
orion wrote:
Does he or does he not belong to an organization that enforced an embargo that killed 500000 children?

Is Austria in the UN? Then you belong to a country which killed 5000000000000000000000000000000000000000 children as well.

The UN backed the embargo. It was not used to kill children. We gave Iraq money for food. He used it to feed and arm his military. If anyone killed children, it was his administration. Enless you are stupid enough to believe the anti-US islamic propaganda.[/quote]

Yup, because after a decade of propping him up and aiding him in his war against Iran including satelite data to enable him to efficiently use his WMDs, the US simply could not know who it was dealing with.

It´s like “containing” a madman in a kindergarden and denying any responisbility for what will happen.

And yes, the UN is also to blame, but what does it matter when it comes to the question whether he belongs to a terrorist organization?

[Gkhan]

Good thing we took him out then, huh?

[facko]

My system of morality is based on the philosophy of ethics. The philosophy of ethics leads one to believe that MOST instances of violence are wrong. This includes the threat of violence. There are rare cases where I would use violence, for instance in a case of severe self defense. Terrorism can be violence or simply, the threat of violence to achieve goals. I have opposition to that.

I for the most part, have opposition to war. War is a needed action of man whom has not yet been enlightened. It is in this process of thought, of which is based on the philosophy of ethics, that war includes terrorism on both sides.

You must also understand that the persons on either side of war believe they are following the path of right. Therefore, the lines of right and wrong, good and bad become blurred, as either side believes the opposite. Therefore whom has the architect chosen as that of absolute truth and right? The bantering on this platform as well as many others is in most sense of the word moot, except for oneself, which opinion is truth to thyself.

This is where the philosophy of ethics becomes so important, when one is enlightened and truly understands the truth of morality, there you will have you answer.

In terms of the pamphlet that this thread is based on, I find it disheartening that one can be labeled as a terrorist, or fit the profile of a terrorist without yet committing acts of terrorism. Thoughts are not terrorism, however attempting to strip ones thoughts through fear is terrorism, of which this limited perception based on that pamphlet does, in a sense.

[jawara]

[quote]orion wrote:
jawara wrote:
orion wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
jawara wrote:
You’re part of a religious force that’s deployed all over the world for the purpose of strengthening, and/or maintaining US hegemony.

“…for the purpose of strengthening, and/or maintaining US hegemony.”?

Not sure I follow. Please explain.

Hey Jawara, you were in the US military, did you ever under orders or not, don civilian clothing and purposefully execute unarmed men, women and children? Or plant a bomb or a mine in a spot exclusively to target civilians?

Then you ain’t a terrorist, buddy.

If you say so.

Does he or does he not belong to an organization that enforced an embargo that killed 500000 children?

Does he or does he not belong to an organization that regularily kills in the name of spreading an ideology, i.e. “freedom and democracy”?

Does he or does he not belong to an organization that has killed more civilians as “collateral damage” than all “terrorist attacks” have killed combined, multiplied with a factor of 10000 or so?

You need to check your facts.

I have.

Those are facts.[/quote]

Why don’t you add up all the rape victims in Europe (Muslim on non-Muslim) and all the death/rape going on in Darfur. I’m sure you’re going to come up with more wrong doing then the few incidents of collateral damage the Army has had. Second of all, you’re probably getting your info from Free Speech TV or some other ass backwards lefty’s. I watched a show they did about Americans killing innocents in Iraq. They had an old woman on saying a “sniper” took two shots at her and missed. The funny thing was she was holding up to COMPLETE 7.62 cartridges in her saying “these are the bullets that were stuck in the wall of my house”. If the these high number of deaths were thru that would the avaerage soldier would have like 30 confirmed kills, I don’t even think most WW2 and Vietnam vets can even say that.

[jawara]

[quote]facko wrote:
My system of morality is based on the philosophy of ethics. The philosophy of ethics leads one to believe that MOST instances of violence are wrong. This includes the threat of violence. There are rare cases where I would use violence, for instance in a case of severe self defense. Terrorism can be violence or simply, the threat of violence to achieve goals. I have opposition to that.

I for the most part, have opposition to war. War is a needed action of man whom has not yet been enlightened. It is in this process of thought, of which is based on the philosophy of ethics, that war includes terrorism on both sides.

You must also understand that the persons on either side of war believe they are following the path of right. Therefore, the lines of right and wrong, good and bad become blurred, as either side believes the opposite. Therefore whom has the architect chosen as that of absolute truth and right? The bantering on this platform as well as many others is in most sense of the word moot, except for oneself, which opinion is truth to thyself.

This is where the philosophy of ethics becomes so important, when one is enlightened and truly understands the truth of morality, there you will have you answer.

In terms of the pamphlet that this thread is based on, I find it disheartening that one can be labeled as a terrorist, or fit the profile of a terrorist without yet committing acts of terrorism. Thoughts are not terrorism, however attempting to strip ones thoughts through fear is terrorism, of which this limited perception based on that pamphlet does, in a sense.

[/quote]

Bruthaman,
I can understand that you don’t like war. Hell, I don’t like it either and I’m one of the guys thats has to go fight in it. However if it wasnt for the Revolutionary War you might not have had the freedom to even make your last post.

[jawara]

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Good thing we took him out then, huh?[/quote]

Of course. Well no maybe he’s right the nation of Austria has been making major strides in spreading world peace. As a matter of fact if the evil terrorist’ from the US had just stayed home and minded their business they would have put an end to Hitler in a kind and peaceful way.