Am I A Terrorist?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]jawara wrote:
facko wrote:
My system of morality is based on the philosophy of ethics. The philosophy of ethics leads one to believe that MOST instances of violence are wrong. This includes the threat of violence. There are rare cases where I would use violence, for instance in a case of severe self defense. Terrorism can be violence or simply, the threat of violence to achieve goals. I have opposition to that.

I for the most part, have opposition to war. War is a needed action of man whom has not yet been enlightened. It is in this process of thought, of which is based on the philosophy of ethics, that war includes terrorism on both sides.

You must also understand that the persons on either side of war believe they are following the path of right. Therefore, the lines of right and wrong, good and bad become blurred, as either side believes the opposite. Therefore whom has the architect chosen as that of absolute truth and right? The bantering on this platform as well as many others is in most sense of the word moot, except for oneself, which opinion is truth to thyself.

This is where the philosophy of ethics becomes so important, when one is enlightened and truly understands the truth of morality, there you will have you answer.

In terms of the pamphlet that this thread is based on, I find it disheartening that one can be labeled as a terrorist, or fit the profile of a terrorist without yet committing acts of terrorism. Thoughts are not terrorism, however attempting to strip ones thoughts through fear is terrorism, of which this limited perception based on that pamphlet does, in a sense.

Bruthaman,
I can understand that you don’t like war. Hell, I don’t like it either and I’m one of the guys thats has to go fight in it. However if it wasnt for the Revolutionary War you might not have had the freedom to even make your last post.[/quote]

I do not agree nor disagree. However, many of those that had major deciding factors in the implementation of the revolutionary war of this country lived by the same enlightened code of morality based on ethics that I also do.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
JD430 wrote:

Varq,

Where did you get that? Is that believed to be a legitimate document circulated by a law enforcement agency? I would be interested in learning further.

from the link in the OP’s post…

" A new report out by Missouri law enforcement agencies attempts to provide law enforcement officers with key factors in identifying possible domestic terrorists."[/quote]

Sorry. Should have clicked the link first…

That report is infuriating. Whoever authored it and the superiors that approved it for circulation should lose their jobs immediately. There is no place in law enforcement for that kind of ideological witch hunting.

In fact, the Missouri witch-hunters should start with the ranks of law enforcement all over the country as many of us would qualify as terrorists according to much of that criteria…

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Good thing we took him out then, huh?[/quote]

Bad thing you made him to begin with.

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[quote]jawara wrote:
orion wrote:
jawara wrote:
orion wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
jawara wrote:
You’re part of a religious force that’s deployed all over the world for the purpose of strengthening, and/or maintaining US hegemony.

“…for the purpose of strengthening, and/or maintaining US hegemony.”?

Not sure I follow. Please explain.

Hey Jawara, you were in the US military, did you ever under orders or not, don civilian clothing and purposefully execute unarmed men, women and children? Or plant a bomb or a mine in a spot exclusively to target civilians?

Then you ain’t a terrorist, buddy.

If you say so.

Does he or does he not belong to an organization that enforced an embargo that killed 500000 children?

Does he or does he not belong to an organization that regularily kills in the name of spreading an ideology, i.e. “freedom and democracy”?

Does he or does he not belong to an organization that has killed more civilians as “collateral damage” than all “terrorist attacks” have killed combined, multiplied with a factor of 10000 or so?

You need to check your facts.

I have.

Those are facts.

Why don’t you add up all the rape victims in Europe (Muslim on non-Muslim) and all the death/rape going on in Darfur. I’m sure you’re going to come up with more wrong doing then the few incidents of collateral damage the Army has had.

Second of all, you’re probably getting your info from Free Speech TV or some other ass backwards lefty’s. I watched a show they did about Americans killing innocents in Iraq. They had an old woman on saying a “sniper” took two shots at her and missed.

The funny thing was she was holding up to COMPLETE 7.62 cartridges in her saying “these are the bullets that were stuck in the wall of my house”. If the these high number of deaths were thru that would the avaerage soldier would have like 30 confirmed kills, I don’t even think most WW2 and Vietnam vets can even say that.
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If all of this is true, what does it change?

Whatever anyone else does wrong, how does it change that you are responsible for your own soul?

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[quote]jawara wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Good thing we took him out then, huh?

Of course. Well no maybe he’s right the nation of Austria has been making major strides in spreading world peace. As a matter of fact if the evil terrorist’ from the US had just stayed home and minded their business they would have put an end to Hitler in a kind and peaceful way.[/quote]

And if the US would have stayed at home in the first place there never would have been a Hitler.

Are you taking credit to have helped solve a problem you have helped create?

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That’s like saying if it wasn’t for the Austrian/Hungarian Empire and their meddling in Serbia there would have been no Soviet Union.

And with no Soviet Union, there would have been no Saddam.

So, it’s your country’s fault.

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[quote]orion wrote:
jawara wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Good thing we took him out then, huh?

Of course. Well no maybe he’s right the nation of Austria has been making major strides in spreading world peace. As a matter of fact if the evil terrorist’ from the US had just stayed home and minded their business they would have put an end to Hitler in a kind and peaceful way.

And if the US would have stayed at home in the first place there never would have been a Hitler.
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Maybe. You are assuming the Allied Powers would have lost without the US. Wilson didn’t have much of an impact at all during the treaty negotialtions, despite his intensions. We certainly didn’t help but it is pure conjecture that we were the cause of Hitler’s popularity.

[quote]
Are you taking credit to have helped solve a problem you have helped create?[/quote]

So true.

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[quote]orion wrote:
And if the US would have stayed at home in the first place there never would have been a Hitler.

[/quote]

LOL your killin me!!!

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
That’s like saying if it wasn’t for the Austrian/Hungarian Empire and their meddling in Serbia there would have been no Soviet Union.[/quote]

According to one hypothesis, the Soviet Union was actually the fault of a German general named Alexander von Kluck.

[quote]And with no Soviet Union, there would have been no Saddam.

So, it’s your country’s fault.[/quote]

Not necessarily. Saddam, along with most of the other problems in the Middle East, was T.E. Lawrence and Lowell Thomas’ fault.

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Saddam wasn’t propped up by the Soviets, Saddam was an evolution of anti-colonial insurrection originating with the Ottomans and then to the British. The Baath Party is basically the Arab Nazi Party, their ‘socialism’ should not be confused with the Russian version.

Off subject, ironically, Nazi Germany was an ‘anti-imperial power,’ and favored by much of what we now consider the first world. Germany’s rise, was an insurrection against the Western European military and financial empires, that held the world tightly under their own control.

Germany’s crippling foreign debt and international sanctions against her, were all things many undeveloped subjugated and poor free nations related to, they saw in Germany an insurrection against an unjust world system.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
That’s like saying if it wasn’t for the Austrian/Hungarian Empire and their meddling in Serbia there would have been no Soviet Union.

According to one hypothesis, the Soviet Union was actually the fault of a German general named Alexander von Kluck.

And with no Soviet Union, there would have been no Saddam.

So, it’s your country’s fault.

Not necessarily. Saddam, along with most of the other problems in the Middle East, was T.E. Lawrence and Lowell Thomas’ fault.

http://www.dailyreckoning.com/the-curse-of-lawrence-of-arabia/ [/quote]

But you still get my assbackward logic?

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

But you still get my assbackward logic?[/quote]

Oh, of course. And this is the problem with trying to second-guess history. Unintended consequences are part and parcel.

For example, if Genghis Khan’s Chinese advisor hadn’t talked him out of annihilating the entire Chinese race, and turning China into a pasture for his horses, the United States might never have built the Transcontinental Railroad. :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]lixy wrote:
You’re part of a military force that’s deployed all over the world for the purpose of strengthening, and/or maintaining US hegemony. This involves violence, the threat of violence and terrorizes innocent civilians.

So, yes, you are a terrorist![/quote]

OMG, how have I NOT read this thread?!?

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HAHAHAHAHAHA

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[quote]jawara wrote:
orion wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
jawara wrote:
You’re part of a religious force that’s deployed all over the world for the purpose of strengthening, and/or maintaining US hegemony.

“…for the purpose of strengthening, and/or maintaining US hegemony.”?

Not sure I follow. Please explain.

Hey Jawara, you were in the US military, did you ever under orders or not, don civilian clothing and purposefully execute unarmed men, women and children? Or plant a bomb or a mine in a spot exclusively to target civilians?

Then you ain’t a terrorist, buddy.

If you say so.

Does he or does he not belong to an organization that enforced an embargo that killed 500000 children?

Does he or does he not belong to an organization that regularily kills in the name of spreading an ideology, i.e. “freedom and democracy”?

Does he or does he not belong to an organization that has killed more civilians as “collateral damage” than all “terrorist attacks” have killed combined, multiplied with a factor of 10000 or so?

You need to check your facts.[/quote]

Orion is pissed because we fucked his chances of becoming a storm trooper and getting one of those hats with the skull and crossbones on it.

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And just to be sure, don’t forget to go through your neighbors’ trash.

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And the British cops are apparently so swamped, they had to make an Anti-Terrorist Hotline.

http://www.met.police.uk/campaigns/counter_terrorism/index.htm

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[quote]lixy wrote:
And just to be sure, don’t forget to go through your neighbors’ trash.

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Manchester | Anti-terrorism posters at airport [/quote]

Well if their wasn’t that little problem with the bomb at the airport in Glascow they would’nt need the posters or the hotline.

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[quote]jawara wrote:
lixy wrote:
And just to be sure, don’t forget to go through your neighbors’ trash.

Well if their wasn’t that little problem with the bomb at the airport in Glascow they would’nt need the posters or the hotline.[/quote]

Yeah, right! They’re so swamped with “little problem[s]” that they need a dedicated line.

http://www.met.police.uk/campaigns/counter_terrorism/index.htm

Gimme a break!

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The CIA and MI-6 created the current regime in Iran:

"From 1975 onward, the Aspen Institute developed closer and closer links to the Iranian ministry of education through well-placed agents like Manuchehr Ganji, who introduced both Marvin Zonis 'and the Aspen Institute itself to Iran. Catherine Bateson, of Damavand College in Teheran, was a critical participant in this strategy, sowing the seeds of “antimaterialist” rebellion among Iran’s youth.

The word also went to Professor Ali Shariati to intensify his activity. More than anyone else, Shariati was the guiding light behind the Iranian students and intellectuals who brought about the Muslim Brotherhood revolution. Shariati’s special ability was to be able to cast the mystical, antiscience Sufi doctrines into terms that might be accepted by modern young people not trained in religious law. Iran’s youth could not be won over directly to Khomeini 5 version of Shusm, so it was necessary to create Ali Shariati, who disguised the Sufi doctrines in a radical, almost Marxist cloak. Shariati is the originator of so-called Islamic Marxism.

So radically antimaterialist was Shariati that he saw a willing acceptance of death as the only legitimate “escape” from the material world! 'Do you not see how sweetly and peacefully a martyr dies?" he once wrote."

The Aspen Institute is a CIA front.

Lixy, you’re ‘friends’ and ‘freedom fighters’ are puppets. Our military-industrial complex needs enemies or it ceases to have a purpose.

War is perfectly natural and these now have to be managed and controlled, for the good of humanity."

http://www.venusproject.com/ecs/iranian_downfall_1979.html