What’s the next best thing to whey protein powder? I had a bad allergic reaction to the stuff and I’m looking for some sort of alternative PWO. Right now, I’ll down 2 cups of chocolate milk (for carbs and protein) or make a smoothie.
Chocolate milk is best. Easy also.
How do you have an allergic reaction to whey but milk is ok?
Was it to the whey, or were there other things in the powder?
I had a baaaad reaction to the whey powder. I had to go to the hospital. I got an allergy test and it said I didn’t have any food allergies. Anyway, I tried cottage cheese another day and had a bad reaction to it. Not nearly as bad as the whey powder (didn’t go to the hospital).
Anyway, I read up on cottage cheese and learned that the liquid part is whey and the curds are casein. I drained the cottage cheese and was able to eat it without too much discomfort. Although, it did cause my allergies to flare up a bit, but I wasn’t in pain or anything.
The thing is, milk does have whey, but not large quantities. Same with the strained cottage cheese. It still has some whey, but the quantity is small. I think it comes down to quantity. I can tolerate a small amount.
Again, I’m only going based on experience. I haven’t had any of this confirmed by a doctor.
BCAAs with a carb source. Then based of your allergy either an egg white or vegetable based protein source.
there is a digested casein protein that is very short peptides, it goes for around $50/lb called PeptoPro.
it is non-bitter unlike hydrolysates, and since it is from casein and extremely digested, unlikely to bother you like whey.
Gemma (yellow pea protein isolate) is an ok sub for whey and it costs 1/10 as much as Peptopro
[quote]gdbear65 wrote:
Gemma (yellow pea protein isolate) is an ok sub for whey and it costs 1/10 as much as Peptopro[/quote]
while one may be able to get a blend of protein for other purposes than PWO including pea, an EAA/carb blend would be better and is available for not too much more in cost. still there is a reason that the pea protein costs 1/10 of peptopro.
nothing compares to the speed at which di and tripeptides are absorbed in the gut. PWO this would lead to a quicker and higher peak amino acid concentration in the blood, thereby halting protein breakdown and turning on synthesis.
Peptopro is mostly these short chains, purportedly twice the amount of the most hydrolysed whey. add leucine and some fast digesting carbs and you have a whey free PWO second to none.
and while it may cost $5 a serving or so (50g), the same amount of protein in whey hydrolysate in Surge runs around $3.75 (though you get carbs, leucine, electrolytes and l-phenylalanine too). so it would be around $6.50-7.00 to get something similar in content so surge with Peptopro subbed for whey hydrolysate. note these are double servings for hard training, most people will require half.
one may find that Surge itself will not trigger allergies due to the hydrolysis of the protein.
I know of the peptopro you are talking about and while it looks promising and there is some good feedback from some people I trust I just can’t see that as a good recommendation for someome like the OP.
If you poke around online you can find hemp oil protein, it�??s used by vegan bodybuilders who want to get bigger than they can with soy. It isn�??t cheap, but these days, neither is whey.
Kiyoshi Moody said in an interview on T-Nation that he consumes a protein made of Buckwheat Fractions (BWF) and it is made by ProCore. I forget how much it is but it’d be a good alternative to whey/casein. Some people’s guts cannot handle whey or casein very well, especially if they’ve had intestinal disorders like IBD/IBS. It’s not just a lactose allergy that can cause problems.
Pepto pro does not need to be taken on a gram for gram basis compared to the other more common proteins, nor is it really something that I’d suggest to someone in the OP’s shoes. It’s a very interesting protein source but more along the lines of a cherry on top of an already well crafted nutrition plan then a first reccomendation.
I went to GNC looking at their non-dairy protein powders. I didn’t buy anything, I just wanted to see what’s available. I saw some rice protein and I looked for pea protein, but the one I saw had a mix with some other kinds (like rice, hemp, etc). Also, it was pea protein concentrate…not isolate. I would like to find some gemma protein, which is pea protein isolate, but not sure if I’ll find it in a store. I know I can buy it online @ trueprotein.com.
I only plan to use the protein supplement for PWO. Should I just be looking for a “isolate”. What are your thoughts on soy isolate? I’m a little concerned about how soy isolate is processed. I’ve heard some concerns about high levels of aluminum due to the acid wash it goes through. Although, I’m not worried about the stuff turning me into a girl or something…I think all that stuff is overly exaggerated.
The current proteins I’m considering are pea, rice and soy isolate for PWO. Which do you think are the best from those options?
Currently, my PWO shake consists of the following:
1/4 c egg whites
1 c soy milk
1 c blueberries
1 T honey
banana
That’s the best I could come up with with stuff around the house.
Egg Protein Powder will give you pretty much the same results as Whey Powder but it’s more expensive.
You could also try real food. If you’re a bodybuilder you can stand by egg whites, flank steak, chicken breast, and fish. But a Highlander games competitor I met last week says he trusts Hamburger Helper dinners for his weight gaining needs. Sure, his cholesterol and bodyweight might be over 250 but that man can flip a tire I tell you what, boy.
I don’t want to spend too much on protein powder. This place has decent prices compared to the ones I saw at GNC. Whey itself seemed pretty expensive…I wouldn’t want something that costs even more! If I was a competitive bodybuilder then I’d do it, but my goal is mainly to put on 2-3 lbs a month…basically looking to gain muscle slowly.
I’ll stick to real food for the meantime, but I’d eventually like to find a protein supplement for my PWO meal.
Should I bother with my homemade PWO shake…should I just go with some food like a steak and sweet potato right after my workout?