TheWolfMan: Thanks brother! and yea, there is a substantial difference between cleaning a barbell, an axle and a log. Like you said it is all about the rotating collars and nature of the movement. A Barbell, you can hook grip it, and kind of “flip” under the weight and keep the bar very close to your midline. I can clean around 405 with a barbell.
With an axle the grip is the limiting factor. Since the collars do not rotate, you can’t “flip” under the weight. You need to get the weight twice as high on the initial pull. And with it being a 2" bar, unless you have huge hands, you cannot just rip it off the ground. It make the motion more of a reverse curl than an actual clean. That is why you see guys using a continental method to get the bar up into position. I max out here in the 285-300b range.
With a log your hands are in a neutral, semi-supinated position. Which really makes it more of a hammer curl motion and is why more than a lot of guys have hurt their biceps getting the bar up to a front rack position. This is why you see guys “lap” the log then try to roll it up their chest rather than lift it in one continuous motion. I haven’t actually found a max on this as my overhead fails on a log before my “clean” does. The log makes the overhead press much harder. To put it in perspective, I have OHPed 365lbs with a barbell, 340 with an axle and 310 with a log. It is not the weight but keeping the implement from getting out in front of you that causes most of the failed reps.
I hope that answers your question brother!
Fletch1986: Thanks man, I am glad that I help encourage you a little bit. To be honest, the quotes come from all over. Sometimes they are from books I have read, but most of the time, I will think of a keyword that purveys my thought and google quotes about it. Then I just spend time reading quotes and picking out ones I like. It is painstakingly slow, but when I get comments like yours, it makes it worth it!
The CB: Thanks man, but I have literally never even looked at 1 instagram post in my entire life. Other than internet popularity, what does a good following get you? I am not trying to be a dick, I just am ignorant to it and would really like to understand. I can see how it might help advertise for my gym, but other than that, are there benefits for the time I would spend away from here and my other focuses to do it?
Again, not trying to sound smug, just not sure what the benefits are.
gvaldes: Hahahah it is funny you mention that man. Just yesterday, after my workout, I was looking at all the weight I needed to re-rack and was thinking, “there has to be a better way!” And I am glad that you have given my training philosophy a try. EVERYONE is surprised when they see that they didn’t loose strength after the conditioning. I would agree that you feel tired when you go into the strength stuff, but then, amazingly, the weights just keep going up even though you feel more fatigued.
Keep at it and keep me posted on your progress brother!