This is my bespoke navy blazer I mentioned earlier that no longer fits me. I only got to wear it a couple of times. They look great with grey or fawn slacks. I’ll have to get another one made.
I wouldn’t say I’m a dandy however I do like to dress nicely. The Rolex is a bit too flashy for my taste, but I do really like Jaeger-LeCoultre or A. Lange & Sohne watches. As simple as it sounds I’d say the trick to dressing well is buying clothes that actually fit. If you buy off the rack take your clothes to a tailor to get the fit just right it makes a world of difference. Everyone dresses differently based on what they do for a job, activities, climates, etc. but wearing things that fit your body and the situation sure doesn’t hurt.
that is a beautiful watch
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
When it comes to “Alpha Fashion” I would argue that the biggest factor is whether or not a man can be comfortable in various situations and the clothing that accompanies it.
If you are showing up to a buddy’s house on a weekend to help him with some landscaping work and wear a Rolex, you are not Alpha, but an asshole who finds it necessary to remind those around you of your status.
Similarly, if you show up to a business meeting wearing chucks and a polo, you are not Alpha because you eschew corporate norms, but an idiot who can’t figure out how to present yourself in such situations.
In my summation, being “Alpha” means that you are aware enough of your surroundings to wear what is appropriate for the given environment. You don’t need your wardrobe/ornamentation to speak for you in various situations, but your actions naturally cause others to take notice and show respect. [/quote]
I don’t like the Alpha phrase, but you get lots of gold bars for the single best post in this thread regarding how a man should dress.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
When it comes to “Alpha Fashion” I would argue that the biggest factor is whether or not a man can be comfortable in various situations and the clothing that accompanies it.
If you are showing up to a buddy’s house on a weekend to help him with some landscaping work and wear a Rolex, you are not Alpha, but an asshole who finds it necessary to remind those around you of your status.
Similarly, if you show up to a business meeting wearing chucks and a polo, you are not Alpha because you eschew corporate norms, but an idiot who can’t figure out how to present yourself in such situations.
In my summation, being “Alpha” means that you are aware enough of your surroundings to wear what is appropriate for the given environment. You don’t need your wardrobe/ornamentation to speak for you in various situations, but your actions naturally cause others to take notice and show respect. [/quote]
I don’t like the Alpha phrase, but you get lots of gold bars for the single best post in this thread regarding how a man should dress.
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Wait… would those be Pushharder PWI gold bars?
Because those aren’t exactly good gold bars.
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
If you are showing up to a buddy’s house on a weekend to help him with some landscaping work and wear a Rolex, you are not Alpha, but an asshole who finds it necessary to remind those around you of your status. [/quote]
I think one could refer to such a man as an “Alph-hole”.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
When it comes to “Alpha Fashion” I would argue that the biggest factor is whether or not a man can be comfortable in various situations and the clothing that accompanies it.
If you are showing up to a buddy’s house on a weekend to help him with some landscaping work and wear a Rolex, you are not Alpha, but an asshole who finds it necessary to remind those around you of your status.
Similarly, if you show up to a business meeting wearing chucks and a polo, you are not Alpha because you eschew corporate norms, but an idiot who can’t figure out how to present yourself in such situations.
In my summation, being “Alpha” means that you are aware enough of your surroundings to wear what is appropriate for the given environment. You don’t need your wardrobe/ornamentation to speak for you in various situations, but your actions naturally cause others to take notice and show respect. [/quote]
I don’t like the Alpha phrase, but you get lots of gold bars for the single best post in this thread regarding how a man should dress.
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Wait… would those be Pushharder PWI gold bars?
Because those aren’t exactly good gold bars.[/quote]
Na, these are the non-sarcastic, great post, don’t have to write in crayon for you gold bars ha
[quote]foursirius wrote:
I wouldn’t say I’m a dandy however I do like to dress nicely. The Rolex is a bit too flashy for my taste, but I do really like Jaeger-LeCoultre or A. Lange & Sohne watches. As simple as it sounds I’d say the trick to dressing well is buying clothes that actually fit. If you buy off the rack take your clothes to a tailor to get the fit just right it makes a world of difference. Everyone dresses differently based on what they do for a job, activities, climates, etc. but wearing things that fit your body and the situation sure doesn’t hurt.
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I agree. And very few people nowadays wear clothes that fit them properly so you really stand out from the pack. Another thing is to dress appropriately for your body type. So many guys don’t get this. If you’re a skinny guy don’t wear skintight jeans. I see that sort of stuff all the time and I can’t understand why they do it. And another faux pas I see lots(in fact most) guys doing is wearing their pants too low. Pants should be worn around the waist. It looks terrible to have the crutch hanging down and sagging below your arse. Of course idiots wear them even lower.
Nice watch too. I like the classic design and used to wear them a lot but I’m into modern watch styles these days. You should get a flashy watch too though. As several people have said one must dress for the occasion. You don’t necessarily need a blingy pimp watch like mine but something that draws attention to you is a must in my opinion. Every guy should have some sartorial exhibitionist stuff in his wardrobe. But it does take a certain personality type to wear certain things and get away with it. If it looks like an act(think Hunter S Thompson’s glasses and Safari hat) then you’ll look like an idiot. But if it’s actually an expression of your unique and extroverted character the ridiculous suddenly becomes cool.
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
When it comes to “Alpha Fashion” I would argue that the biggest factor is whether or not a man can be comfortable in various situations and the clothing that accompanies it.
If you are showing up to a buddy’s house on a weekend to help him with some landscaping work and wear a Rolex, you are not Alpha, but an asshole who finds it necessary to remind those around you of your status.
Similarly, if you show up to a business meeting wearing chucks and a polo, you are not Alpha because you eschew corporate norms, but an idiot who can’t figure out how to present yourself in such situations.
In my summation, being “Alpha” means that you are aware enough of your surroundings to wear what is appropriate for the given environment. You don’t need your wardrobe/ornamentation to speak for you in various situations, but your actions naturally cause others to take notice and show respect. [/quote]
Is that really “alpha,” though? Until the last sentence of your post I think what you’re describing are social skills. Alpha, to the extent that there is such a thing, is about being in command of yourself and your environment.
To me, sexy comes when men dress to suit their natures. Intellectuals are sexiest to me when they’re wearing crisp white button-ups and maybe glasses if they have them.
My current man is every bit as bright as the more cerebral men I know but he loves being outside, diverting waterways and moving boulders. Work clothes suit him, and he looks delicious that way.
They have different ways of moving and holding themselves - the professors I know could never look at home in Carhartts the way a guy who’s framed houses for a living does. To me, alpha dress is dress that suits the man himself, though worn appropriately, of course.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote: though worn appropriately, of course.
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I think this is the crux of what she was getting at. I would bet that Hockey, although not his first choice can dress the part if he needs to put on a suit.
Certain situations have their uniform. A man needs to be able to don several of these different uniforms and not look like a little kid who gets mad because his mom makes him dress up, but look as comfortable in his suit as he does his outfit of choice.
As was said above, half of that comes from fit, the other half comes from self confidence.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote: though worn appropriately, of course.
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I think this is the crux of what she was getting at. I would bet that Hockey, although not his first choice can dress the part if he needs to put on a suit.
Certain situations have their uniform. A man needs to be able to don several of these different uniforms and not look like a little kid who gets mad because his mom makes him dress up, but look as comfortable in his suit as he does his outfit of choice.
As was said above, half of that comes from fit, the other half comes from self confidence. [/quote]
Oh, of course, and I agree with her. I’m just saying that if we’re talking about what alpha fashion is (which I interpret as manly, sexy) it goes beyond simply dressing appropriately - that’s what adults do, a minimum expectable standard.
I’m adding what I find hot, and saying that it changes according to the man wearing it. An urban guy wearing the half-untucked thermal shirt would leave me cold even if he was here, where many men wear that sort of thing. I don’t want to see New Yorkers wearing cowboy clothes in Texas. Be who YOU are, is what I’m saying. (When appropriate, as SP was saying, lol.)
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote: though worn appropriately, of course.
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I think this is the crux of what she was getting at. I would bet that Hockey, although not his first choice can dress the part if he needs to put on a suit.
Certain situations have their uniform. A man needs to be able to don several of these different uniforms and not look like a little kid who gets mad because his mom makes him dress up, but look as comfortable in his suit as he does his outfit of choice.
As was said above, half of that comes from fit, the other half comes from self confidence. [/quote]
Oh, of course, and I agree with her. I’m just saying that if we’re talking about what alpha fashion is (which I interpret as manly, sexy) it goes beyond simply dressing appropriately - that’s what adults do, a minimum expectable standard.
I’m adding what I find hot, and saying that it changes according to the man wearing it. An urban guy wearing the half-untucked thermal shirt would leave me cold even if he was here, where many men wear that sort of thing. I don’t want to see New Yorkers wearing cowboy clothes in Texas. Be who YOU are, is what I’m saying. (When appropriate, as SP was saying, lol.) [/quote]
I should point out that I don’t fully understand the alpha/beta stuff and have almost convinced myself that they are terms used by those that have a hard time forming the full spectrum of normal human relationships to make themselves feel more special. (You never hear someone initiate the use of these terms who doesn’t refer to themselves as an alpha for one action or the other that most people look at with a raised brow)
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote: though worn appropriately, of course.
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I think this is the crux of what she was getting at. I would bet that Hockey, although not his first choice can dress the part if he needs to put on a suit.
Certain situations have their uniform. A man needs to be able to don several of these different uniforms and not look like a little kid who gets mad because his mom makes him dress up, but look as comfortable in his suit as he does his outfit of choice.
As was said above, half of that comes from fit, the other half comes from self confidence. [/quote]
Oh, of course, and I agree with her. I’m just saying that if we’re talking about what alpha fashion is (which I interpret as manly, sexy) it goes beyond simply dressing appropriately - that’s what adults do, a minimum expectable standard.
I’m adding what I find hot, and saying that it changes according to the man wearing it. An urban guy wearing the half-untucked thermal shirt would leave me cold even if he was here, where many men wear that sort of thing. I don’t want to see New Yorkers wearing cowboy clothes in Texas. Be who YOU are, is what I’m saying. (When appropriate, as SP was saying, lol.) [/quote]
I should point out that I don’t fully understand the alpha/beta stuff and have almost convinced myself that they are terms used by those that have a hard time forming the full spectrum of normal human relationships to make themselves feel more special. (You never hear someone initiate the use of these terms who doesn’t refer to themselves as an alpha for one action or the other that most people look at with a raised brow)[/quote]
Thank you! It had to be said!
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
You should get a flashy watch too though. As several people have said one must dress for the occasion. You don’t necessarily need a blingy pimp watch like mine but something that draws attention to you is a must in my opinion. Every guy should have some sartorial exhibitionist stuff in his wardrobe. But it does take a certain personality type to wear certain things and get away with it. If it looks like an act(think Hunter S Thompson’s glasses and Safari hat) then you’ll look like an idiot. But if it’s actually an expression of your unique and extroverted character the ridiculous suddenly becomes cool.[/quote]
Totally disagree with this. Clothes and accessories should frame the man wearing them, not draw attention to themselves. Exhibitionist pieces say to the world “I am a conversation starter, you want to talk to this person because of me”, while appropriate clothes frame the man and say nothing, but people still want to approach the man himself.
Basically, clothes should pull people to the man and not themselves. You want them to remember you and not your watch.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote: though worn appropriately, of course.
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I think this is the crux of what she was getting at. I would bet that Hockey, although not his first choice can dress the part if he needs to put on a suit.
Certain situations have their uniform. A man needs to be able to don several of these different uniforms and not look like a little kid who gets mad because his mom makes him dress up, but look as comfortable in his suit as he does his outfit of choice.
As was said above, half of that comes from fit, the other half comes from self confidence. [/quote]
Oh, of course, and I agree with her. I’m just saying that if we’re talking about what alpha fashion is (which I interpret as manly, sexy) it goes beyond simply dressing appropriately - that’s what adults do, a minimum expectable standard.
I’m adding what I find hot, and saying that it changes according to the man wearing it. An urban guy wearing the half-untucked thermal shirt would leave me cold even if he was here, where many men wear that sort of thing. I don’t want to see New Yorkers wearing cowboy clothes in Texas. Be who YOU are, is what I’m saying. (When appropriate, as SP was saying, lol.) [/quote]
I should point out that I don’t fully understand the alpha/beta stuff and have almost convinced myself that they are terms used by those that have a hard time forming the full spectrum of normal human relationships to make themselves feel more special. (You never hear someone initiate the use of these terms who doesn’t refer to themselves as an alpha for one action or the other that most people look at with a raised brow)[/quote]
I agree, and have more responded in terms of manly or sexy as I view them. “Alpha at the bar” has no meaning for me. Smartest man in a room full of brilliant men? Cool. But not necessarily hot. Confidence is hot, but only if it’s genuine and justified. So yeah, be smart and confident and kind and interesting - and then dress in a way that suits you without insulting others. That’s manly/sexy in my book.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
A dickhead maybe but not a dumbass. However, I learned early in life not to expect anyone to recognise or respect intellectual ability. It’s due to the “Dunning-Kruger effect”. Essentially, a dumbass is unable to recognise either their own stupidity or recognise ability in others. But there’s a shortcut around here. The posters who avoid PWI or speak of it in derogatory terms are the dumbasses. They can’t hold their own in intelligent discourse.[/quote]
Wow.
Don’t equate apathy with lack of intelligence. Some people come here to talk about lifting. And they may view some of the topics of interest to you as esoteric at best.
There are many intelligent people who come here to keep a training log.
There are intelligent people, physicians and researchers in the biological sciences for example, who make intelligent posts in the Nutrition Forum and elsewhere on this site. I have a feeling you would have a hard time “holding your own” with them.
And earlier when you dissed your hard working female neighbor who “only” has an IQ of about 115 - Maybe consider that 84% of the population falls at an IQ of 115 or below. Only about 5 percent of people would be above 125. Point being, don’t be surprised when people give you crap or tease you.
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Wow.
Don’t equate apathy with lack of intelligence. Some people come here to talk about lifting. And they may view some of the topics of interest to you as esoteric at best.
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I know. I wasn’t talking about them. I was talking about some of the dingbats who spend a lot of time in GAL posting crap.
Indeed. And I wasn’t talking about them.
That’s right. It’s not an area of interest to me. I have a wide general knowledge but I don’t know everything.
An IQ score is meaningless on its own. I was referring to the Stanford-Binet IQ scale. And yes, I’m well aware of the percentiles. That’s part of what I was referring to when I spoke of elitism.
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Only about 5 percent of people would be above 125. Point being, don’t be surprised when people give you crap or tease you. [/quote]
Who said I was surprised? I think you’ve mistaken me for someone who gives a shit. Want me to care two fucks what you think? Then you’d have to earn my respect first. I have a feeling you’d have difficulty doing that sweetheart.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
When it comes to “Alpha Fashion” I would argue that the biggest factor is whether or not a man can be comfortable in various situations and the clothing that accompanies it.
If you are showing up to a buddy’s house on a weekend to help him with some landscaping work and wear a Rolex, you are not Alpha, but an asshole who finds it necessary to remind those around you of your status.
Similarly, if you show up to a business meeting wearing chucks and a polo, you are not Alpha because you eschew corporate norms, but an idiot who can’t figure out how to present yourself in such situations.
In my summation, being “Alpha” means that you are aware enough of your surroundings to wear what is appropriate for the given environment. You don’t need your wardrobe/ornamentation to speak for you in various situations, but your actions naturally cause others to take notice and show respect. [/quote]
Is that really “alpha,” though? Until the last sentence of your post I think what you’re describing are social skills. Alpha, to the extent that there is such a thing, is about being in command of yourself and your environment.
To me, sexy comes when men dress to suit their natures. Intellectuals are sexiest to me when they’re wearing crisp white button-ups and maybe glasses if they have them.
My current man is every bit as bright as the more cerebral men I know but he loves being outside, diverting waterways and moving boulders. Work clothes suit him, and he looks delicious that way.
They have different ways of moving and holding themselves - the professors I know could never look at home in Carhartts the way a guy who’s framed houses for a living does. To me, alpha dress is dress that suits the man himself, though worn appropriately, of course.
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As mentioned by others, using the term “Alpha” is problematic from the start. My definition would be a man who is self-assured and confident no matter what situation he finds himself in. As such, it is unnecessary to separate himself from those around him by his dress or other accouterments.
Per your example of a professor, he would look ridiculous on a building site wearing a corduroy jacket, even if that is what is most complimentary to his frame. It could also be construed by others that he is purposefully showing that he is more intellectual than the other men through his dress. However, the professor who understands that, while perhaps not his cup of tea, Carhatts are the more practical choice for that environment is exhibiting an Alpha-natudal trait. There is no need to advertise his intelligence because it is apparent in the way he conducts himself.
Now if you want to define “Alpha” as masculine and sexy… I am sucker for a grease monkey. Grease stained clothes, blackened hands and forearms, that wonderful garage smell… that is definitely my cup of tea 
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
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[quote]doogie wrote:
Truly high value women for you, SexMachine, many of whom undoubtedly work at McDonalds:
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Was not a mommy’s boy. I’ve been working since I was 15. As soon as I finished school I went overseas and moved out when I came back. I moved back in for a couple of months a few years ago to take care of her in the final stages of her cancer. As I said, you guys are drawing an odd conclusion from what I said about her intelligence. I inherited whatever extra grey matter I have from her side of the family. That was part of my point.
Outside my family I haven’t come across too many very smart women. Even the high achievers like my neighbour who scored 99 on her HSC and is now an in house lawyer for a major corporation is thick as shit when it comes to stuff like lateral thinking, original thought, imagination and wisdom. She’s basically successful because she worked her arse off but it’s just rote learning. At a guess I’d say her IQ is maybe 115 or so. Met a couple of clever ladies at university but they were extremely plain and socially awkward and so on.[/quote]
Seriously? This is your idea of a high value woman? While coincidentally you A) wonder if a “drivethru [sic] chick” is impossible to impress, and B) find women strangely unintelligent and disappointing? I hate to tell you, Stud, but this girl had high hopes of modeling high-end clothes and makeup, but wasn’t pretty enough or intelligent enough to make it and so settled for pimping down-market lingerie while wearing poorly-applied cosmetics. Is she genuinely pretty and the trashy makeup covers that? Maybe. Or possibly she’s not that attractive and the makeup compensates, who knows.
Either way, she is not what most discerning people would consider “high value,” unless they are looking for a one night stand. (Lovely young woman though she may be.)[/quote]
Really didn’t look at her face too closely, but I like her hourglass dimensions and was immediately drawn to that in accordance with my mannish hard wiring.[/quote]
That’s almost word for word how I answered her. I thought I was reading my own post for a minute. Speaking of nice faces see attached. I’ve always regarded brown eyes as much more attractive than any others. And brown eyes with blonde hair is a great combo. In the ancient world Phoenecian women were highly regarded because of their brown eyes and blonde hair. I guess it’s kind of a genetic, best of both worlds; brown eyes from Asia/Africa/Southern Europe and blonde hair from Northern Europe.
And are you going to give a detailed critique of this lady’s appearance too Emily? Is she not up to the standard you think I should have?[/quote]
Oh, I don’t care what standard you have. I was just saying you’re a dumbass. Rock on![/quote]
Bingo!
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A dickhead maybe but not a dumbass. However, I learned early in life not to expect anyone to recognise or respect intellectual ability. It’s due to the “Dunning-Kruger effect”. Essentially, a dumbass is unable to recognise either their own stupidity or recognise ability in others. But there’s a shortcut around here. The posters who avoid PWI or speak of it in derogatory terms are the dumbasses. They can’t hold their own in intelligent discourse.[/quote]
Maybe you’re not as intelligent as you think you are? Do you hold any special degrees or accolades we should be aware of?
I was very careful not to say that I was especially intelligent. All I said was I feel confident that I’m above the average dingbat wandering the streets. I don’t feel any need to convince you of anything or tell you what I have done. I just read your post in the Non Douche Watch thread and so far all you’ve done is demonstrated the Dunning-Kruger effect. You need to learn your limitations.