Almost Got Jumped

[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:
I’ve sat this out until now, but I feel the need to chime in and get flamed if necessary.

Some of you guys need a serious reality check. Maybe you live in a fairy tale world where the cops swoop in like Superman to save the day and criminals always learn their lesson after going to jail once, but when dealing with the breed of punks that mazilla describes, sometimes you are left with no other choice but to handle it in-house.

Let me break it down for you: These little shits respect nothing but brute force, and fear for their own pathetic lives is sometimes the only thing that gets a message through. I’m not saying it is the only way to go all of the time, but sometimes it is the only way you will ever get any peace.

For those of you who don’t get why going to the police is oftentimes like throwing water on a grease fire, let’s use mazilla’s case as an example: Suppose he went to the cops and actually managed to finger the 4 or 5 guys he could actually see while getting jumped and they go to the pokey for a few weeks (if they are minors, probably not even that).

Meanwhile, the ones that didn’t go to jail are putting the word out to all of their thug-wannabe friends that mazilla is a “snitch”. Since these little turds have no purpose in life other than to live out whatever gangsta rap lyrics/movies they’ve seen/heard, they now have a focus. Now mazilla has 50-60 people gunning for him that may not even know him or have had any previous beef with him; people who think nothing of targeting his home, property, friends, family, whatever to “get back” at him, regardless of whether or not he’s done anything to them other than “snitch” on a friend of a friend!

Stupid? Yes! Immature? No argument here! But make no mistake; these morons are out there and they are legion, especially in high school! The truth means nothing, the word on the street is their only gospel and once you have a rep as a snitch, it stays with you a looong time, possibly for life.

Now for all of you fine, upstanding citizens on your high horse who are thinking, “well that’s what you get for associating with a crowd like that” or some such nonsense, let me tell you something: These fuckers will prey on whomever they choose and can pull you right out of your safe, secure little world and into their circle of bullshit without warning. You don’t even need to live in a bad neighborhood. All it takes is being at the wrong place at the wrong time, or just having some bullshit rumor make it into the wrong punk’s ear. I know this because when I was in high school, two carloads of goons rolled up on my front lawn because one of them heard from someone, who heard from someone, etc., that I had “talked shit” about his “crew”. Luckily it ended without violence (I had played football with one of the guys in the gang), but I can easily see how it could have escalated out of control.

Suppose mazilla chose option C and didn’t call the cops AND didn’t retaliate. Now he becomes a “bitch” or a punk, which is almost as bad as a “snitch”. Again, the fact that it was a cowardly mob attack becomes irrelevant; the only thing anyone will hear after the fact is, “he got his ass whupped and didn’t do shit”. Now he is looked upon as an easy target, and any/all of these so-called “thugs” who are looking to make a name for themselves have him at the top of their “let’s go fuck with this guy to show off” list.

Now, as far as lawful consequences outweighing just “proving you’re a bad ass”, I couldn’t agree more (see my first post on this thread). If you can defuse a situation before it gets out of hand (i.e.; comes to blows), then you should put your pride aside and do it. I know all about how a criminal record can haunt you and hold you back years down the road, but in this case, we’re not talking about just showing off. Like I said before, these punk-asses see backing off as a weakness, and making one of them piss their pants and beg for his life in front of a large group of his ilk may be just the ticket to sending the message that you are the wrong guy to fuck with. Yes, mazilla could have gone to jail, but he played the odds because he knew the value system of the people he was dealing with and it paid off in the form of getting a group of violent punks to back off. Stooping to their level? No doubt, but sometimes it’s not about standing tall, just standing up.

Again, I’m not saying it’s the cure-all or that such a narrow set of circumstances will even come up in most people’s lifetime, but it does happen; I’ve been close enough to the edge of it to know. Would I have done what mazilla did? I really can’t say; I’ve never been beaten that bad and I didn’t have access to firearms when I was a teenager. For those of you that haven’t lived through a similar experience, feel free to sit in your ivory tower and throw all the stones you like. I sincerely hope you never have to deal with society’s slimy underbelly, and that you live long, peaceful lives.

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He will have 50 or 60 guys attack him for going to the cops, but as soon as he sticks his gun in the guys mouth those same 50-60 guys are all suddenly afraid of him?

Mazilla is describing his sexual fantasy when he talks about some dude tasting his gun barrel.

[quote]mazilla wrote:
very good grib, you did your JOB. congrads, you can throw the fact that your a ny firefighters around, and that on that particular day you did your job. great, thats what you get PAID for. you did’nt save my aunt, so i don’t owe you a god damn thing. maybe if you did your job better she would still be alive. you can drop that shit NOW.
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That might be THE most uncalled for and disrespectful post I have ever read in my life. I’ve seen a lot of messed up shit written on message boards through the years, but…wow…that’s just…wow…

[quote]CC wrote:
mazilla wrote:
very good grib, you did your JOB. congrads, you can throw the fact that your a ny firefighters around, and that on that particular day you did your job. great, thats what you get PAID for. you did’nt save my aunt, so i don’t owe you a god damn thing. maybe if you did your job better she would still be alive. you can drop that shit NOW.

That might be THE most uncalled for and disrespectful post I have ever read in my life. I’ve seen a lot of messed up shit written on message boards through the years, but…wow…that’s just…wow…[/quote]

Mazilla looks like he is going for the troll of the month award.

Zap Branigan wrote:

“He will have 50 or 60 guys attack him for going to the cops, but as soon as he sticks his gun in the guys mouth those same 50-60 guys are all suddenly afraid of him?”

Yes, because none of them want to be the one who dies the next time they try to jump him.

You’ve got to understand something about the way these punks think; they talk a lot of “I’d die for my crew” type of bullshit, but unless it’s a mob beat-down situation like the one mazilla described, they will, 99% of the time, cut and run like bitches. If it looks even the least bit like they might lose a fight because they don’t have the numbers or they are just out-muscled, they disengage like in the original thread-poster’s situation.

That being said, a reputation can go a long way towards instilling fear into these sissies, especially in high school. I mean, c’mon, Zap when you were in high school you must’ve had someone point out some guy or other and tell you some embellished story about how “craaaazy” he is because he fucked up so-and-so (or several so-and-sos) at this-or-that party or wherever, right? Now imagine how inflated the story would be if a gun was involved.

Again, not saying this is the way to solve things, but if mazilla’s story is true, I think nearly being killed by a group of these shitheads means that the situation has clearly escalated into the “drastic measures” region.

As for whether his account is true or not, I can’t say. I’ve never had any correspondence with the guy, and even if I did, this is the internet, 'nuff said. My point is, even taking mazilla’s account as a “for instance”, once in awhile circumstances do, at times, present themselves to warrant extreme measures like the ones he claims to have taken.

Digital Chainsaw’s got good points. He makes a whole lot of sense. Even in my po’dunk lil’ town, we have this shit. t’s mostly one half of town, though, so it’s not too hard to avoid.
Did anyone else think that they were talkin’ to Major Payne when they read that stuff about hanging upside down with the gun?

Um…how did they get in your locker? Wasn’t it locked?

Good points, Digital Chainsaw. Nevertheless, reputation aside, I could still imagine a scenario where one of those guys shoots him from behind or the like. It seems like a no win situation.

[quote]michael2507 wrote:
Good points, Digital Chainsaw. Nevertheless, reputation aside, I could still imagine a scenario where one of those guys shoots him from behind or the like. It seems like a no win situation. [/quote]

Very, very true, and unfortunately, this sometimes turns out to be the case. I look at it this way: If someone is going to shoot me, then there is very little, if anything I can do about it. I used to hear this all the time from punk asses I threw out of nightclubs when I was a bouncer, and I always blew it off. I mean, you can be aware of your surroundings and such, but you can’t live in fear 24/7, and if someone(s) is/are really intent on shooting you, short of full-body kevlar everytime you leave the house, you are going to be vulnerable some of the time. With this in mind, like I posted earlier, mazilla took a gamble and played the odds (that these were all cowards that would back off with a show of force) when he did what he claims to have done, and in his case it paid off and he was able to live in peace. It sucks being faced with that kind of choice and, thankfully, most of us never will be.

I agree, though that it sometimes does become a no-win situation and street cred does not always carry the day. You will always have some wild card punk-ass with a .357 under his bed in his mom’s basement that listens to too much Fitty and wants to show that he “ain’t scared of nobody”.

And the sad thing is it could have started from nothing more than one of these little asswipes thinking you cut him off in traffic. I keep my pieces clean and loaded for just such an emergency.

A good movie that, while somewhat off topic, illustrates how one can get sucked in by the criminal element through no fault of their own and have to go to extremes is “An Innocent Man” with Tom Selleck. I trust anyone on this forum has enough sense to seperate the Hollywood bullshit from the valid points, so it’s all good. In fact, I stole that “you don’t have to stand tall, but you have to stand up” line in my earlier post from that movie.

Oh, and thanks, everyone who replied for the constructive dialogue. I was really expecting to get raked over the coals for this one. I guess level heads sometimes do prevail.

Y’know, it’s amazing: I’ve managed to go through life without getting in fight or needing a “nine” or getting jumped.

Either the other posters on this thread are lying or making incredibly poor decisions about whom they should associate with.

[quote]harris447 wrote:

Either the other posters on this thread are lying or making incredibly poor decisions about whom they should associate with.
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I agree.

This got ridiculous…

[quote]arDieselar wrote:
This got ridiculous…[/quote]

They always do.

[quote]michael2507 wrote:
Good points, Digital Chainsaw. Nevertheless, reputation aside, I could still imagine a scenario where one of those guys shoots him from behind or the like. It seems like a no win situation. [/quote]

Exactly. Pulling a gun is more likely to escalate the situation.

If you pull it you better be ready to use it.

Of course this debate is based on some goofy kids fantasy so it is kind of silly.

[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

“He will have 50 or 60 guys attack him for going to the cops, but as soon as he sticks his gun in the guys mouth those same 50-60 guys are all suddenly afraid of him?”

Yes, because none of them want to be the one who dies the next time they try to jump him.
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I have a heard time buying that. Mazilla is obviously a bullshitting trust-fund baby from Malibu;

If the situation he stated truly happened it would NOT have ended with his gun tactics. It would have definately escalated further with members from both “crews” dying. Once you put a gun to the mouth of a thug and punk him it doesn’t end there. Now him and his crew have got to “represent”-> gang warfare. He would still be dealing with it to this day and for the rest of his life.

Maybe I’m biased from living in the Toronto area, but the protocol digital chainsaw laid out NEVER resolves the situation without the spilling of blood.

Anybody who lives in a large Urban/Suburban area knows what I’m talking about.

Mazilla?

[quote]der Koning wrote:
Digital Chainsaw wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

“He will have 50 or 60 guys attack him for going to the cops, but as soon as he sticks his gun in the guys mouth those same 50-60 guys are all suddenly afraid of him?”

Yes, because none of them want to be the one who dies the next time they try to jump him.

I have a heard time buying that. Mazilla is obviously a bullshitting trust-fund baby from Malibu;

If the situation he stated truly happened it would NOT have ended with his gun tactics. It would have definately escalated further with members from both “crews” dying. Once you put a gun to the mouth of a thug and punk him it doesn’t end there. Now him and his crew have got to “represent”-> gang warfare. He would still be dealing with it to this day and for the rest of his life.

Maybe I’m biased from living in the Toronto area, but the protocol digital chainsaw laid out NEVER resolves the situation without the spilling of blood.

Anybody who lives in a large Urban/Suburban area knows what I’m talking about.

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Yes, when dealing with REAL, organized gang members, you are correct, this would only exacerbate the situation.

However, real gangsters (i.e.; ones who are involved in drug dealing, prostitution, gun running, etc.) have a vested interest in not drawing attention to themselves via petty disputes with non-gang members who are far more likely to call the police. Furthermore, in an encounter with real gang-bangers, one is rarely left alive to seek any type of revenge.

I thought I had been clear that this was not the caliber of “gangster” I was talking about. High school cowards will indeed back off as I described in the vast majority of cases. What they call their “crew” are a bunch of 16-year-old jits in wifebeater tank tops and droopy pants with a few older drop-outs thrown in who think they are O.G.'s. They have no backbone for warfare with opponents capable of fighting back, but lots of time on their hands for vandalism, theft, and, being minors who won’t do time, assault. They also have quite a distaste for pain, injury, and death and a taste of Vitamin G almost always brings them back to the realization that they are middle class white kids living at home, and the only things they are “representing” are the failure of the public school system and modern parenting methods.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
Y’know, it’s amazing: I’ve managed to go through life without getting in fight or needing a “nine” or getting jumped.
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Never been in a fight? That is pretty amazing. You truly live a blessed, charmed life. Wish we all could.

sigh He gave them eyes, but they cannot read. I’ll repost:

Now for all of you fine, upstanding citizens on your high horse who are thinking, “well that’s what you get for associating with a crowd like that” or some such nonsense, let me tell you something: These fuckers will prey on whomever they choose and can pull you right out of your safe, secure little world and into their circle of bullshit without warning. You don’t even need to live in a bad neighborhood. All it takes is being at the wrong place at the wrong time, or just having some bullshit rumor make it into the wrong punk’s ear. I know this because when I was in high school, two carloads of goons rolled up on my front lawn because one of them heard from someone, who heard from someone, etc., that I had “talked shit” about his “crew”. Luckily it ended without violence (I had played football with one of the guys in the gang), but I can easily see how it could have escalated out of control.

[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:
der Koning wrote:
Digital Chainsaw wrote:

Yes, when dealing with REAL, organized gang members, you are correct, this would only exacerbate the situation.
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The scary part is I wasn’t even talking about true gangbangers.It’s a concept I call “Downward Mobility”. where I’m from you have a lot of middle-clas suburbanite punks acting like thugs and even getting involved in shootings and stabbings.

You would be surprised what high school punks are capable of nowadays. Especially given the extreme nature of what Mazilla was allegedly involved in.

Then again, it could just be the bias of what goes on in my area (Metropolitan Toronto)

[quote]der Koning wrote:
Digital Chainsaw wrote:
der Koning wrote:
Digital Chainsaw wrote:

Yes, when dealing with REAL, organized gang members, you are correct, this would only exacerbate the situation.

The scary part is I wasn’t even talking about true gangbangers.It’s a concept I call “Downward Mobility”. where I’m from you have a lot of middle-clas suburbanite punks acting like thugs and even getting involved in shootings and stabbings.

You would be surprised what high school punks are capable of nowadays. Especially given the extreme nature of what Mazilla was allegedly involved in.

Then again, it could just be the bias of what goes on in my area (Metropolitan Toronto)

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Yeesh, that IS bad. Come on down to Florida, dude. The weather is nice and they still make punks the way they used to; pussies who are scared of anyone with backbone!

[quote]mazilla wrote:
WideGuy wrote:
Having had my ass beaten by more then 10 people at a time, in addition to being shot once and stabbed (all seperate occassions) I would say that catching an ass beating is NOT the worse thing. Sitting in a court room wasting hundred and thousands of you dollars over some little insignificant peice of shit hurts alot more.

I’ve had plenty of experiance with thugs. By definition they almost never have the balls to fight one on one. Just know accept that as a rule. Beyond that if it’s really worth it to you just remember, everyone has to be alone sometimes.

been there done that. i was stabbed and jumped by 15-20 people(only one stabbed me), i was with my pussy friends and they did’nt do shit. they said they were trying to get guys off of me, but i did’nt see them anywhere but off to the side.long story short, to return the favor i went to a party with about 30 of the “homies” and we fucked EVERYBODY up.

three of the guys were there(one of them was the one who made the decision to have everybody jump me) him and another guy ended up in an icu. the rest just got stomped. the shit went on for months afterwards. the guys were not happy with getting the favor returned so they tried to get revenge on my revenge three more times. each time they ended up bloody on the street.

finally to stop the drama i put my .45 in the “leaders” mouth and made him beg. he was crying and saying shit about his kid and he was sorry and all that crap. enough people saw that they never started shit again. in fact they did’nt have the balls to tell me to leave their own party at on of their houses.this was back in high school of course. these things have a way of getting out of hand fast, if your not prepared to put an end to it, then don’t start it, or go to the police and be a snitch.
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yeah, this situation sounds so much easier then walking away… idiot.