All for the Pump - Rugby & Lifting

Week 50/52 7th August Upper 1

Cutting - Week 11

Jordan Peters - Upper/Lower

  1. BB Incline Press
    80kg x 6 (5-9 target)
    70kg x 10 (10-12 target)

  2. Hyper extensions (15-20 target)
    x 15
    x 15
    x 15
    x 15

Odd i failed on 15 on each set, i took them all to failure as well which obviously means i didn’t. Maybe need to push harder on these.

  1. Close Grip HS Press
    42kg each side x 9 (5-9 target)
    37kg each side x 11 (10-12 target)

  2. Lat Pull Down
    80kg x 9 (5-9 target)
    73kg x 11 (10-12 target)

  3. Laterals machine
    35kg each side x 15 (15-20 target)
    30kg each side x 15 (15-20 target)

  4. Bicep curls - palms facing up
    14kg DBs x 12 (10-12 target)
    16kg DBs x 10 (10-12 target)

  5. French Press
    16kg DBs x 12 (10-12 target)
    18kg DBs x 10 (10-12 target)

  6. Pump curls
    10kg DBs
    x 20
    x 17
    x 12

  7. Tricep Pushdowns - pump
    x 20
    x 15
    x 12

Weight has moved again but jumped back a little this morning. I ate more yesterday so will see how it settles tomorrow morning.

I’ve only got days left on my cut before i go on holiday, still no plan for when i get back. I’ll do a photo on my last day and maybe a bit of a write up when on my diet experience after i get back off holiday.

Its the age old question though, to cut or to bulk after holiday!

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Week 50/52 8th August Lower 1

Cutting - Week 11

Jordan Peters - Upper/Lower

  1. Squat machine thing
    140kg x 8 (5-9 target)
    120kg x 9 (10-12 target)

  2. Seated Hamstring curl machine
    77kg x 9 (5-9 target)
    70kg x 12 (10-12 target)

  3. Leg extensions - All sets taken to failure (i felt like inflicting pain and getting some more volume in)
    20kg each side
    x 20
    x 18
    x 18
    x 17

  4. Leg raises (on a dip station)x
    x 15
    x 13
    x 11
    x 10

  5. Single leg glute raises - physio
    x 8 each side
    x 8 each side

  6. Single leg glute bridge hold
    30 seconds on each leg x 2 sets

  7. Calfs - just worked up the weight rack on standing raises, had a little break and then worked back down

Trying to add some rehab in to strengthen my right glute. I’ve noticed the muscle shakes when i clench it or use it so guessing that where the weakness is on that side. I’me going to google a strengthening routine and when i get back off holiday go at it for 6 weeks and see if that helps.

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I would think this is very goal dependent. You have some time on holiday to really think about what you want to get out of your training and then build a new plan from there.

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Week 50/52 10th August Upper 2

Cutting - Week 11

Jordan Peters - Upper/Lower

  1. DB Flat Press
    42kg DBs x 8 (5-9 target)
    38kg DBs x 8 (10-12 target)

  2. Chest supported DB Row
    28kg DBs x 9 (5-9 target)
    26kg DBs x 11 (10-12 target)

  3. Dips
    20kg x 9 (5-9 target)
    10kg x 9 (10-12 target)

  4. Close grip lat pull down
    80kg x 9 (5-9 target)
    73kg x 10 (10-12 target)

  5. Upright row
    40kg DBs x 8 (5-9 target)
    30kg DBs x 12 (10-12 target)

  6. Cable Curls (10-12 target)
    5 weight x 12
    6 weight x 10

  7. Cable Extensions (10-12 target)
    6 weight x 12
    6 weight x 12

  8. Pump hammer curls
    9 weight
    x 15
    x 12
    x 10

  9. Cable tricep extensions pump reps
    3 weight
    x 15
    x 12
    x 10

Weight seems settled at 212.2lbs first thing in the morning. I’ve two notches down on my work belt which is good. That’s 23.6lbs down in 11 weeks. I’ve only got 2 days (including today) left of my diet. Not completely happy with how lean i am. I guess if you’ve have told me i’d lose 23lbs and still not have rippling abs i wouldn’t have believed it which probably means i was fooling myself about how much body fat i really had.

Rugby training tonight so need to make sure i eat a bit more protein today to recover.

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I think you’ve probably answered your question about whether to continue to the cut there.

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Yeah i think i’m coming to that conclusion, just not sure how to manage a cut in season while playing rugby. Need those calories to recover.

Yeah that’s a difficult one to balance. If you’re not playing week in week out you could do a weekly cycle. I’ve done it before where Mon - Thur has been the deficit days but as you can probably guess it’s a slow burner.

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Very impressive!

That’s always the way. It sucks. I’m always shocked how hungry I have to get to even start losing weight, which just shows how much I’m overeating when left to my own devices.

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Week 50/52 11th August Lower 2

Cutting - Week 11

Jordan Peters - Upper/Lower

  1. Squat machine thingy
    140kg x 9 (5-9 target)
    120kg x 10 (10-12 target)

  2. BB RDL - just really wanted to see if i could do these pain free again and i could, very happy!
    100kg x 6 (5-9 target)
    80kg x 10 (10-12 target)

  3. Abs - leg raises in dip rack
    x 15
    x 14
    x 13
    x 12

  4. Glute physio x 4 sets

  5. Leg extension set of doom!!!
    I worked up from the rack from 15kg each side to 30kg each side with only minimal rest then worked back down again. It was painful!!!

So i’m having two weeks off now, going away on holiday. Won’t be training at all but will be outside lots. Once i’m back i’ll reevaluate my goals etc. I do want to get leaner but also i’m well aware that more other rugby players my height and position are pushing 240lbs and i’m at 212lbs (probably 215lbs when fully fed) i think i might end up doing a 6 week bulk but really trying only gain muscle this time and really control when i get my calories and what type of carbs i’m eating.

Until then have fun, i’ll probably still be on the forum though.

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Enjoy!

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That’s awesome you’re able to do RDLs with some real weight on!

Hope you have a great time on holiday!

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Cheers man. I’ve spent a lot of time working my right glute and my back feels a million times better. Hopefully I found the weakness.

My glute still shakes when I tense it so there is still damage there but hopefully I’ll fix it soon.

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not even some pre pool push ups ?

Enjoy your break mate

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Gone to Scotland this year so my beach attire will probably still include a T-shirt of some kind.

I’ll say I’m the happiest I’ve been with my body in a long time though. I’ve had normal amounts of carbs for about 3 days now and my muscles are back to being full and I feel leaner than I’ve been in years but also bigger.

I’m a long way of some of the beasts on here but I’m happy to say I’m made some tangible process this last year.

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And this is really what is it all about. Be patient and make the same tangible improvements for the rest of this year and next year. In 2 years you will be amazed at the changes.

I remember when @T3hPwnisher did his Move Sweat Suffer podcast, he talks about people only thinking he had good genetics after 20 years of training.

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I’ve been more away than back the last month, but I’m so glad to have come back to read this. I’m happy for you man.

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@QuadQueen sorry to just randomly tag but I’ve got a question I wonder if you may help with.

My mum has osteoporosis and has been told by the doctor she needs to eat more. One thing she asked me was his much protein she should eat. She’s 65 and currently eats around 20g a day (her diet is so so poor).

What amount would you recommend per lb of body weight?

Thank you

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Definitely not QQ but i do have big quads, so i hope that helps to qualify me :joy:

I did read a good bit about osteoporosis in women so i hope this lands as an accoutrement instead of a replacement.

Postmenopausal osteoporosis affects some 30% of women and is often related to low testosterone, among other things. Getting her a hormone panel for estrogen, progesterone, testosterone (free and total), and other items should help identify hormonal contributors. I believe there are numerous studies that support TRT for postmenopausal women as an aid to prevent/reverse osteoporosis. It is also likely that she will need some form of estrogen replacement therapy. Pulling a quote:

The big problem arises because the female reproductive
system activity supports estrogen production. Once reproductive activity slows
or largely shuts down, estrogen production goes with it. Estrogen is a very big player in bone growth and repair. Bones are composed of living cells and
inorganic minerals in a united complex. The whole complex is under a constant
state of flux, being degraded and rebuilt all of the time. Estrogen is an important
hormone that signals bone growth and repair to occur, largely through its effects
on the Osteoblasts, which are the bone-building cells of the body. Once estrogen
is greatly lowered, bone growth and repair slows significantly. Since bone
breakdown and turnover is always occurring, the net result of low estrogen can
mean chronic bone loss. Not in days or week or months, but years.

There is a study on weight training specific for osteo patients, designed to retain bone density. It was an Australian study and was mentioned in a thread on tnation probably over a year ago. I dont recall the specifics but I’m sure googling “resistance training + osteoporosis” would show good results.

Pulling a quote from Renaissance Woman (Renaissance Periodization book):

Minerals come in many varieties, an important one of which is electrolytes.
Sodium, chloride, magnesium, potassium, and calcium are important to the fluid
balance of the body and to the proper functioning of all muscles and nerves. Most
people get enough sodium and chloride by a long shot from table salt intake,
and magnesium deficiency is rare, but potassium and calcium are often underconsumed,
especially by women. While potassium can be found in most fruits
and vegetables, and especially in potatoes, dairy products are the best source
of calcium, with Vitamin D being critical to the latter’s absorption and thus
utilization in bone growth and repair. Adequate calcium, vitamin D, phosphorous
and protein are required in order to slow the inevitable loss of bone mineral
density after age 30. 1200mg of calcium and 600mg of Vitamin D per day is the
goal for most women, with supplementation being helpful in many cases.

I’d argue that the best program (untested) to help retain overall bone density is Phraks Greyskull LP. It targets every Primary Movement Pattern (vertical push/pull | horizontal push/pull | squat | deadlift) and therefore increases overall load on pretty much every bone in the body. My crude understanding of the bone density increase via resistance training is that the load needs to be applied to the bones themselves… so training everything and applying load to all of these bones in all primary body movements/functions seems the occams razor/bro science answer. Just my opinion on that.

20g protein a day is not enough for any adult. Even the FDA’s flawed study on dietary guidelines still put 50g protein daily as a minimum, and that was when the average weight was 40+lbs lighter than today. I don’t have advice for specifics on protein requirements, other than 1.0g/lb LBM, which is recommended by Renaissance Woman. I have like a dozen high caliber books on dieting and they all recommend about the same, whether bodybuilding specific or not. Maybe QQ can shed more light here - I would absolutely take her suggestion over my own.

Final quote (some may not be super applicable, just pulling the whole quote):

Because most of us [females] will eventually develop osteoporosis, and because bone loss
is not currently possible to reverse on any large scale, it’s likely a very good idea
to do something about preventing as much bone loss as possible for as long as
possible. Which means that if you’re reading this, possibly starting right now! But
what to do? Here’s a list of the most effective strategies:

  • Avoid prolonged periods of hypocaloric dieting. Following our advice of 3
    months maximum before maintenance phases should be a great start.
  • When dieting, don’t allow greater than a 1000 calorie per day deficit. A 1000
    calorie per day deficit roughly translates into a 2lb per week rate of weight loss,
    which for most women is faster than the earlier guideline of 1% anyway.
  • If you have to be at body fat levels of under 15% (or lower than that), try to
    only be that low in body weight for the time that you need to be. Staying very
    lean after a figure show is great for your ego, but might not be the greatest for
    your long term health. Though if your figure body fat is around 10% and you
    weigh around 150lbs, just 15lbs or so separates you from contest body fat and
    20% fat, which is lean yet healthy. A 15lb drop during a 12 week diet prep is a
    breeze in most cases, so as this advice is quite realistic without much hassle
  • Expect to have normal menstruation during most of the year, with spotty
    or missing activity during very hard endings of diets or very lean body
    compositions that are inherently temporary. If you haven’t had a period in over
    3 months at a time, it’s a good idea to evaluate your diet and training goals.
  • Manage fatigue in your training plan. Train hard but sustainably, with planned
    recovery workouts, rest days, deloads, and active rest periods.
  • Consume a diet high in vitamins and minerals, especially calcium. Calcium is a
    component of bone construction and is found in abundance in dairy. If you’re
    not getting enough calcium per day (at least 1200mg per day) and you’re
    having trouble getting enough from food, a supplement may help. The good
    news is that most whey and casein powders are rich in calcium.
  • Continue to train hard and heavy. Running, jumping, tumbling, and heavy
    weight training literally stimulates bone growth and preservation. Because
    bone loss mostly occurs after age 30 and bone growth is possible until 30,
    training heavy at all adult ages can both add bone density for later (before age
  1. and greatly slow bone loss (after age 30).
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Thanks for this, will re-read tomorrow and go through this with my mum (if she listens!).

Thank you very much for this response though.

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So, since her diet is so poor as it stands, my first, right out of the gate suggestion would be to shoot for AT least 20-30 grams of protein per meal - make that goal #1. Don’t bog her down with statistics and tons of info. We don’t want to overwhelm her and cause paralysis by over analysis. Let’s go from poor to better and then go up from there. I would also suggest at least 3-4 servings of dairy (milk, yogurt, cottage cheese) each day for calcium (Goal of 1200-1500 mg/day) and a Vitamin D3 supplement. If she’s not eating any veggies, try to get some of those in there too. If she can’t/won’t do the dairy - get her on a Calcium+Magnesium+Vit D supplement, that’s the bone building/preservation trifecta.

Adding resistance training would be awesome, but if she’s only interested in walking - get her walking!

All the info @Andrewgen_Receptors provided is great, but you’ve got to meet her where she’s at and get buy-in and then sustainability in the changes. If she’s super motivated, then go bigger - but don’t change too much at once. If you or she have any specific questions, let me know and I’ll happily provide further guidance. We can even look at her current diet and her food preferences and come up with a doable plan if needed. Keep us posted and good luck!!

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