I think shad is going to break those pencil legs of Jon Jones
he is faster
has better footwork
likely heavier handed
and his wrestling negates Jones wrestling
‘jones is greco cray- shad wrestled for the better program’ better coach
too bad shad gives up 9.5 inches in reach-
I’ll take Jones.
Rashad has good hands, but hates to kick and takes pride in never even attempting submissions.
It would be a serious departure for him to go to work with low kicks. Setting them up and pulling them off against someone with such a reach advantage and not eating counter rights may be too much to ask.
The other point is the grappling match. Evans has a great pedigree, and does a good job of grinding and sticking to his game plan. The problem I see is that unless Mario Sperry has unfucked his hatred of submissions or damaging striking on the ground (pounding out Griffin doesn’t count) then I think Jones is in a good spot to threaten with subs and stand up.
Evans has won in the past by out boxing people on his feet OR grinding out a position win with his wrestling.
Jones is new, but I have never seen him look even a little “off”. His reach and willingness to use a variety of attacks makes me think Evans will have a tough time finding his range on the feet. Jones’ wrestling and strength is probably good enough to not simply get held down for 5 rounds.
I think Jones takes this.
Regards,
Robert A
I dont really think Rashad can do the leg kicks
not in his usual style- nor is it a skill set easily transmutable to be effective
he is more of an mma boxer then a guy who can use hands and feet at will
as for a grappling match- shad has more of a ‘greco’ take on things then is evident
he is from central north NY state- strangely so is Jones- and its a Greco fest there
that and Tom Minkel at MSU has been an olympic and greco worlds coach so shad is prob
ok in the clinch he looked good against Phil Davis and kind of grapple fugged him
but he is sub reluctant
really Im more interested in Alves vs Aoki- but more out of curiosity then much else.
shad can do it with combos- but Jones might be too freaky
[quote]brotard012 wrote:
really Im more interested in Alves vs Aoki- but more out of curiosity then much else.
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You had me wondering here. Eddie Alvarez vs Shinya Aoki?
Thiago Alves is supposed to be fighting Akiyama in June. As always, I expect Akiyama to find a way to lose. Against Alves I think he will look to land huge right hands while forgetting that his once may have done a little Judo.
Regards,
Robert A
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=1&thread=1986347&page=1
Decent discussion here.
Jack Slack also put out a write up going through Shad’s weaknesses on the feet and how they relate to this fight.
In short:
-Head movement disappears during exchanges.
-Side on stance to extend reach. Hence, limited kicking, has to over-extend to land a right hook.
-Has issues fighting range fighters. Guys come at him, it’s good. They don’t and it’s not the same.
I think Rashad is going to rush Jones to the cage and stay on him. I think he’ll get a takedown and win that round. That said, I don’t believe he’ll be able to keep up the kind of pace required to do this. Jones will show up and win.
Rooting for stanky leg 'Shad. I want Jones to lose, just so I can see him come back even more of a beast.
Also, holy fuck at Rashad’s camp. Guys that have been involved in his camp:
-Mario Sperry (I wake up in the morning, and I am in Ricardo Arona’s guard. I don’t know why).
-Jake Shields
-Braulio “fucking” Estima
-Rob Kaman
-Tyrone Spong
Roy Jones Jr even came around and passed him some tips.
At the very least, he beats Jones on camp pedigree.
Rashad may have more technical striking (hands, at least), but it’s not good enough to cancel out the reach he’s giving up. I think. Also, kicks.
Which means he needs to make it a grapplematch. He’s a high level wrestler. Jones has made other good wrestlers look completely ridiculous. I’m not convinced Evans wins here either.
My take: either Rashad tries to take the fight to Jones, get inside and get him down, the result of which will be Rashad on the bottom and beaten up for a couple rounds until a cut or sub ends it. OR, Rashad is tentative, can’t get inside or find his range and gets picked apart for 5 rounds.
Jones takes it.
Worst case scenario: 25 minute fence hugfest.
Evans has good boxing for MMA no doubt, but a large factor in Jones’s game plan will probably be the same kicks and knees that kept jackson at bay. Jones essentially uses a taekwondo cut kick to the opponents thigh very well. This is going to cause issues for Evans getting inside regardless of his head movement.
I think Rashad has to take the fight to the ground to win, or have some really good timing on an overhand right.
[quote]rundymc wrote:
Also, holy fuck at Rashad’s camp. Guys that have been involved in his camp:
-Mario Sperry (I wake up in the morning, and I am in Ricardo Arona’s guard. I don’t know why).
-Jake Shields
-Braulio “fucking” Estima
-Rob Kaman
-Tyrone Spong
Roy Jones Jr even came around and passed him some tips.
At the very least, he beats Jones on camp pedigree.[/quote]
Don’t leave out Michael Irvin…wonder what tips he passed him…lol.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]rundymc wrote:
Also, holy fuck at Rashad’s camp. Guys that have been involved in his camp:
-Mario Sperry (I wake up in the morning, and I am in Ricardo Arona’s guard. I don’t know why).
-Jake Shields
-Braulio “fucking” Estima
-Rob Kaman
-Tyrone Spong
Roy Jones Jr even came around and passed him some tips.
At the very least, he beats Jones on camp pedigree.[/quote]
Don’t leave out Michael Irvin…wonder what tips he passed him…lol.[/quote]
Haha. Evans has also worked with Bernard Hopkins in the past. I really like Evans but this is gonna be tough. Can he land enough combos to setup a takedown, or to setup the OHR? If he just shoots in he’s eating a knee, and he’s not gonna head hunt or he’ll get murdered. I think he can do it, he’s just gonna have to play the angles to his favor. Freak highlight reel right head kick KO, anyone?
I kinda want them both to lose, never really been a big fan of Shad and after Bones murdered Shogun I’ve been so butthurt that I don’t think I can ever root for him. Shad is much more beatable than Bones judging by what I’ve seen so far, so of course I’m hoping for massive underdog surprise here.
I’m looking forward to seeing Hominick, MacDonald and Wonderboy fight much more than the mainevent though.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]rundymc wrote:
Also, holy fuck at Rashad’s camp. Guys that have been involved in his camp:
-Mario Sperry (I wake up in the morning, and I am in Ricardo Arona’s guard. I don’t know why).
-Jake Shields
-Braulio “fucking” Estima
-Rob Kaman
-Tyrone Spong
Roy Jones Jr even came around and passed him some tips.
At the very least, he beats Jones on camp pedigree.[/quote]
Don’t leave out Michael Irvin…wonder what tips he passed him…lol.[/quote]
How to deal with a swagger-jack
[quote]Robert A wrote:
I’ll take Jones.
Rashad has good hands, but hates to kick and takes pride in never even attempting submissions.
It would be a serious departure for him to go to work with low kicks. Setting them up and pulling them off against someone with such a reach advantage and not eating counter rights may be too much to ask.
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Who knows, he has been working with Tyrone Spong though. Perhaps he’s added an element.
I dunno. I think Rashad may be the only person to get into Jone’s head. I think he’ll rush in and stay close but I dunno, kinda torn on who would win and why.
[quote]humble wrote:
[quote]Robert A wrote:
I’ll take Jones.
Rashad has good hands, but hates to kick and takes pride in never even attempting submissions.
It would be a serious departure for him to go to work with low kicks. Setting them up and pulling them off against someone with such a reach advantage and not eating counter rights may be too much to ask.
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Who knows, he has been working with Tyrone Spong though. Perhaps he’s added an element.
I dunno. I think Rashad may be the only person to get into Jone’s head. I think he’ll rush in and stay close but I dunno, kinda torn on who would win and why.
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I am not saying Spong and the MT trainers at Jackshon’s camp are on the same level, but Rashad has been around MT at least since he moved to Jacksons camp. Keith Jardine was somewhat known for having an effective low kick, again not saying that Jardine is an example of Muy Thai just that his training partners certainly used kicks. Rashad has pretty much avoided making a low kick part of his offense, just like he has avoided using submissions on the ground.
I am skeptical that Evans is going to show an attempt to add kicks to his overall game. He may throw a few stand alone high kicks, but I doubt he is going to be utilizing the low kick to any great degree. I am also hoping, but doubting, that Evans was looking at Muy Thai in order to do damage from some of the clinches that are so much a part of his game.
For someone like Evans it seems that getting some actual Thai, or well versed in real Muy Thai trainers, to work with him in the clinch would be a no-brainer since he seems to be able to smother guys at will, but is not able to do a ton of damage from the clinch.
I can hope. Of course I still don’t understand why Jackson’s camp didn’t beat a usable jab into Shane Carwin, and to a lesser extent Akiyama, since it would be the first thing I would want to develop in a fighter with such an epic right hand.
Regards,
Robert A
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I definitely agree. A very low kick to the knee or just under is going to be bread and butter for someone with a right hand like Rashad’s but again I agree, useless without a great Jab.
Everyone harps about the Jackson camp, but their organization, game plans and well spokeness has kinda lost it’s charm for me. I think Bones is a good fighter inspite of them, not because of them. He is who he is wherever he goes. Just so happens people get pretty cliquey there and all seem to flood there.
I’m really aching to see a top tier Muay Thai guy destroy people in the cage with leg kicks Pedro Rizzo style but with athleticism of a GSP. I heard Buakaw was working a lot of MMA/BJJ. Who knows eh… how awesome would that be? The sheer fear he would drive into opponents being able to standing clinch and throw the way he does, with the speed he has and the powerful hips he has! I’m just dreaming… I know
[quote]humble wrote:
x 2
I definitely agree. A very low kick to the knee or just under is going to be bread and butter for someone with a right hand like Rashad’s but again I agree, useless without a great Jab.
Everyone harps about the Jackson camp, but their organization, game plans and well spokeness has kinda lost it’s charm for me. I think Bones is a good fighter inspite of them, not because of them. He is who he is wherever he goes. Just so happens people get pretty cliquey there and all seem to flood there.
I’m really aching to see a top tier Muay Thai guy destroy people in the cage with leg kicks Pedro Rizzo style but with athleticism of a GSP. I heard Buakaw was working a lot of MMA/BJJ. Who knows eh… how awesome would that be? The sheer fear he would drive into opponents being able to standing clinch and throw the way he does, with the speed he has and the powerful hips he has! I’m just dreaming… I know[/quote]
To a certain extent we have that with Reem, legit K-1 champ fighting MMA and winning. The big issue is he fights infrequently and is 1-0 against legit top 5 fighters, Werdum. I think he WILL do great. If he fights.
Buakaw would have a tough row to hoe in MMA. The talent pool at 145 and 155 is pretty damn deep. As amazing as he is I would be surprised if his grappling/wrestling got the point where he could force his game plan on people who didn’t decide to “stand and bang” only to find out that the best in the world don’t “stand” there, but they will “bang” bell to bell. Really, when you think of how much skill it takes to accomplish what Buakaw has I don’t know if there is any room left to get up to competency in everything else. There is a reason Anderson Silva gets called the best “striker” in MMA, and it isn’t because he would beat the best pure strikers. Still, it would be nice to see enough skill that Wandy isn’t considered top tier “Muay Thai” and people stock singing accolades about Rampage’s boxing.
Regards,
Robert A
EDTA: Rizzo is/was just a beast. The kind of guy that hits hard with everything.
Ok so we kinda knew the answer here
oops.
Mir vs JDS anybody?
[quote]brotard012 wrote:
Ok so we kinda knew the answer here
oops.
Mir vs JDS anybody?
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WE? Where is the we coming from? Not the Shad war wagon.
Good fights overall though.
I hope it is JDS. A lot.
Regards,
Robert A
