That’s a lot of needle sticks ouch. But I’ll probably try it
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I disagree sorry, if I drink alcohol I wake up like a balloon from water retention from the higher E2, alcohol 100% effects my E2 very quickly.
I’m still in the learning camp but many have said it’s about failing to correctly metabolize the estrogen while drinking, which accounts for the high numbers.
For me it’s all opposite. I seem to have problems with high E2 since I started. But after drinking beers and day after i notice better erections and better libido.
Aare you sure you have high E2 as symptoms can be similar for both low and high and if you feel better after alcohol this could mean the increased E2 is beneficial for you.
Do you have lab numbers?
I’ve been at it for a long time now. Never truly dialed in, due to idiotic doctors and having to rely on UGL Test. (We only have susta in pharma grade and it’s expensive as hell).
120mg of test cyp day after injection has always put me on 600 ng/dl of TT and 60 E2. I always had typical E2 sides:
- watery numb dick
- bitchy
- brain fog
- no libido
- impaired judgement
- suicaidal thoughts and despair with crying episodes
- dry skin on eyebrows, beard
- red face
- higher BP
- feeling worthless
All though, due to previous “abuse” of both Adex and Aromasin, I know how low E2 feels like as well:
- dry feeling
- popping joints
- not-watery hard erections all though still problems with libido
- numb feeling
- massive brain fog
- extreme jealousy to the point of psychosis
- maniac episodes
I seem to have just shit genes in general. I will probably post a thread of my own, once I get back from France and do labs.
I happily quit alcohol about 7 weeks ago after reading a book that changed my life. It completely changed my outlook and THIS here that you have written was a big part of that. The wool that has been pulled over our eyes as businesses are built on highly addictive poisons to the tune of $254 billion a year in the US alone and $1.5 trillion globally.
I find it funny the attention that is given to random “news worthy” stories about flu, EEE, zika, sharks here in MA, etc, and the handful of people they may have killed, when people are dropping dead daily from chronic alcohol consumption and no one wants to talk about it. You could indulge in as much marijuana product as you like at a sitting and it would never kill you but you could purchase one bottle of liquor from a local store and put yourself in the grave.
Honestly @unreal24278 based on your post Im surprised you partake at all. No judgement, that’s not my decision to make and would never fault another human being for such a thing, but on the subject, if I may borrow a term from your generation, you appear to be woke.
The day after injection? You need a lot more T. Your symptoms are from low T I bet and nothing to do with E2. If you are injecting once a week your T is dropping DEEPLY.
The thing is, intellect is not correlated with responsibility. Sometimes I find that the most educated of individuals (within the teenage demographic) actually tend to be those that use the most risky of substances, this isn’t a strong correlation, it’s just something I’ve observed. There are plenty of otherwise uneducated kids snorting lines of coke without any knowledge of the cardiovascular implications.
Just because I know something is dangerous doesn’t mean that I won’t happily take advantage of a societal flaw as I am rather irresponsible at times for the sake of a good time. I find the anxiolytic effect of alcohol (this is ABUSE mind you) to be very helpful in large scale situations… it dulls the autism…ness, as does cannabis (however cannabis tends to be more sedating… and this is also abuse, it’s a crutch that helps me cope with long term stemming issues present from being bullied relentlessly for… about eight years of my total lifespan)
I don’t partake frequently, I believe my last alcoholic beverage was about 12 weeks ago, my last cannabis cigarette was 8-10 weeks ago (due to school ending and such). On numerous occasions I have been absolutely sloshed (my 18th birthday comes into mind particularly, as does purim 2019, and quite a few occasions from when I was very young and discovered alcohol), I’m not proud of it… but it’s happened before.
One can perceive me as hypocritical for being so adamantly against the societal acceptance of a highly addictive poison, yet I indulge myself (not nearly as often as I used to as is evident within the fact that I haven’t had a SINGLE alcoholic beverage in about three months now), it’d be like someone protesting animal cruelty / environmental damage purported by the meat industry yet eating meat every chance they get. Whether you choose to disrespect/discredit me over this decision of mine is up to you, and I wouldn’t blame you. I’ll admit drinking to excess is a moronic behaviour… but it’s awfully fun and incredibly accepted amongst teenage and adult demographics alike. I’ve been to parties where parents willingly allow 16-18 year old kids to copiously consume large amounts of booze (say some kids approaching 1+ bottles of vodka) so 15-20 standard drinks, yet I’ve almost gotten kicked out at the same parties for a joint.
I do acknowledge the destruction associated with recreational drug addiction and the havoc it wrecks on lives (and I’ve seen the consequences of opiate addiction, stimulant addiction first hand from numerous individuals suffering with these issues), this doesn’t mean that me, as an individual would never experiment. It merely means I know better, but I make moronic decisions, as do most people from time to time throughout their lifespans. I’m smart enough obviously to not drink on orals or even high dosages of injectable anabolics (say 300mg+).
The thing about alcohol, drugs and anabolics is that it’s a highly personal subject I’d simply rather not talk about. My past, anything I’ve done that in the past related to recreational substances isn’t something I’d like to bring into play on this forum as I’m not comfortable talking about it. I’ve never used hard drugs recreationally (going by the Netherlands system I classify these as). I know to tread very carefully in terms of potential experimentation, and I’m HIGHLY aware of the risks, I don’t think I’m immune (unlike many teenagers). I’ve been offered cocaine, ketamine, mushrooms, MDMA, LSD, Oxycodone (smoked or insufflated) too many times to count retrospectively, I’ve never said yes either due to addiction potential for because in my current lost state of mind (constantly pondering the meaning of life, sort of an existentialist crisis) I don’t think psychedelics would be a good idea AT ALL!
Hard drugs (Netherlands scale)
- synthetic psychedelics
- MDMA
- Cocaine
- Opiates
- synthetically extracted cannabis concentrate (shatter/butane hash oil)
- amphetamine
- methamphetamine
- enactogens aside from mescaline
- DMT
- ketamine
Soft drugs within this scale include (soft drugs can typically be brought OTC)
- psilocybin
- mescaline
- sedatives (ambien etc.)/benzodiazepines
- cannabis/hashish/rosin
- LSA
- nitrus oxide
- amyl nitrate
not important, just referring to what I consider to be the disparity between “soft” and “harder” substances. I haven’t tried the majority of these substances, however chances are I’ll try some of them in the future. One can be rest assured I’ll never use cocaine (cardiovascular), (probably) MDMA (unregulated market = typically spiked products, ALL my friends have taken MDMA spiked with methamphetamine… no thanks), heroin (addiction potential), methamphetamine (addiction potential, neurotoxicity and HEAVILY psychosis inducing) or amphetamine (don’t like stimulants) though. Benzodiazepines I assume are classified as soft due to the low level of systemic toxicity they present. Addiction potential is roughly on par with alcohol (as are withdrawals), but the lack of liver damage, kidney damage, cardiovascular damage (equal within relation to neurotoxicity from repeated exposure though) make them in theory safer within an acute setting if used alone… and not in combination with depressant substances. The stigma however is far higher with use of benzodiazepines in my opinion for no good reason. The stigma in relation to both alcohol and benzodiazepines should be on par if either are to be vilified. I personally think this kind of behaviour is a personal choice one should have the CHOICE to partake in, rather than a government system attempting to penalise or lock up individuals who make stupid decisions… that isn’t freedom. Those who make the decision to get sloshed, take bars or whatever… fine, it’s a stupid decision, but if you’re aware of the risks and still wish to go ahead, do it… I’m not here to judge, nor do I particularly care. If I see someone overdose, I’m always there to help, but I’m not here to advise on how to use drugs… and yes I consider AAS to be a form of recreational drug for the average gym goer… (unless the advice is catered towards harm minimisation then I’m all for dispensing advice)
Before the flame/arguements set in “oh benzodiazepines ruined my life”… yes, abuse can ruin lives, many who abuse benzodiazepines have entire weeks that go by completely unaccounted for. Similar effects occur with alcohol from heavy, chronic and frequent binge drinking. I have numerous friends that after a bender (particularly involving primarily heavy alcohol intake) have entire portions of most days involved gone by totally unaccounted for, I’ve seen fights, unprotected (public) sex, injuries, car crashes and more stem from alcohol abuse… The worst case was when I and another guy had to drive some idiot to the ER because he was choking on his own vomit (passed out, unresponsive, he would’ve literally died had I not taken him to the hospital). This person wasn’t even my friend, however I didn’t want to have his death on my conscience, and being sober I saw no reason not to take him to the ER (however this ended up with me almost getting arrested for possession of an unsmoked joint)… NOT talking about this though. It’s unfortunate the things I’ve been exposed to, I sometimes wonder whether it’s normal… probably isn’t, then again my life has been rather farcical/abnormal throughout it’s entirety so far
I’ve never claimed to be perfect, I have my share of flaws, insecurities and have made quite a few bad decisions down the line… I don’t regret anything however, as my past has shaped me into the individual who I am today, and I believe I am fairly resilient and able to tolerate certain situations far better than most peers within my age demographic. I was told at age 15 due to the structural abnormalities within my joints that I’d NEVER be able to touch a weight again… look where I am now. I exercise typically 3-4 hours or even MORE per day.
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Im not getting down on you dude as we all have our own lives to live. I didnt mean to call you out on this and I do appreciate your perspective on this and also most of what you write and contribute here.
I always think that part of the problem with booze is that people are unaware of the consequences of their actions due to societal acceptance and ignorance. Like I said, I appreciate your perspective. I think if more people could be aware of the consequences of alcohol they could make better decisions based on their lives and their future much like you have and are doing. I don’t want to take anything away from anyone but do think that people need to be made aware of exactly what they are doing to themselves. This isn’t easy because its so prevalent. I hate having the conversation with anybody about quitting. It’s too telling of their OWN situation. They don’t get just stopping because you find no benefit anymore. Its a lot of quizzical looks because they assume everyone has to hit a “rock bottom” before they NEED to make a change.
Im not perfect either and it took me until 48 years of age to finally be realistic with my goals and ambitions and what was holding me back and most likely holding me back through most of my life. I grew up in a major booze culture through the 80s and 90s and just thought “this is what you do”.
I don’t think Ive every read anything you’ve written about your encounters and though it was abnormal. FWIW.
Yet one requires a prescription from an MD.
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Yeah. I always stayed on once a week protocol. Be it 120mg, 100mg, 250mg all once a week. Never actually tried E3.5D since no one suggested that to me. All I ever got is “take adex, take asin” so I fked myself for years with swings and not actually enjoying life, unless drunk and even then I didn’t get the monkey euphoria feeling and ended up hurting myself and others because I still felt like shit.
120mg of Cyp/week, one day after injection gives me: 500/600ng/dl TT and 50/60 pg/ml of E2. I bet like you said, that by the end of the week I’m even lower. I don’t think UGL test is the problem, since I had the same issue with pharma Sustanon.
For now I have only few choices, since I can’t do labs. Either go 60mg e3.5d for 120mg total, instead of once a week. Or do something crazy and go like 100mg e3.5d. I will do all labs once I return.
TT, E2, SHGB, TSH, FT3, FT4. What else could be good to check? Checking FT is very expensive and I mean veeeery and most labs in Poland don’t do it anyway, so.
Exactly, we laugh at Prohibition now, but it was happening for a reason.
Schoolies, binge drinking etc here in Aus is considered to be somewhat of a rite of passage for growing up… I think society would be a whole lot more peaceful… and perhaps calmer/more chilled out over everything (this is a joke, don’t take it seriously) if the binge drinking rite of passage was swapped for a celebratory joint on ones 18th birthday… or if cannabis replaced alcohol as the party drug of choice
Do I think alcohol should be outlawed? No, as it creates an unregulated market in which money goes straight to criminals rather than funding towards healthcare, also the prospect of tainted products come about… The second time I ever smoked cannabis (I talked about this earlier) It was laced with PCP… in a legal market… THIS WOULDN’T be a possibility
17 (almost 18) year old me at the time unknowingly ingested angel dust at the time… that’s incredibly fucked up. It was after I want to say… three minutes that the strange and extreme sense of dissociation came about, the walls started breathing… I went numb, felt as if I had superhuman strength (and probably did at the time) and felt manic, like I was losing grip on reality… Everything started to appear flattened… that’s the only way I can describe it… and instead of like 1 hour, the effect lasted 4+ hours.
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I genuinely feel like we will see a shift in that direction in the coming years as weed is more socially accepted. I do think that the light will be shined on booze and eventually it will be viewed a lot like smoking is today. It is too costly in many aspects to continue down this path.
Weed has already started to take a bite out of booze at my family gatherings as those who are more health conscious choose their vaporizer over endless pints.
This happened at the last wedding I went to (in the USA), it’ll be another 30 years or so before Australia takes precedent (unless the US legalises next presidential term) in which case… ten years perhaps. Problem is I ate about half the wedding cake, everything at the buffet and then proceeded to dance with random people and introduced myself to everyone (even those who I didn’t know)… actually it was a pretty great time
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Fully agree and I ALSO had the same lacing situation happen to me but it was at a Pink Floyd concert of all places. The good part about that is I didnt stand out too much but given I hallucinated I shit my pants it wasn’t a great night.
Pink floooooyyyydddddd yaaaaayyyyyyy “all in all, you’re just another brick in the wall”
One of the few non metal bands I love with a passion (that and led zeppelin, adcd etc)
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Probably still less calories than drinking all night and your body wasn’t scrambling to get the poison out of your system AND you probably felt great the next morning.
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Yes, but it must be stated cannabis still has potential too induce quite a bit of harm when abused… it isn’t harmless, just not on par (or nearly on par) to that of alcohol. I’ve seen acute psychosis arise from cannabis in a certain subset of people (typically those with great past trauma such as sexual abuse, physical abuse or predisposition to mental illness).
I feel a little bit hazy the day after I use cannabis, however that’s probably because when I use, it tends to be very late, out at friends at like 2-3 am, so it isn’t say entirely out of my system come morning. I’ve never done it alone though (I’ve been told it can be fun, but I’d rather not be left alone with my own thoughts)… and that seems like a slippery slope to me.
But yes, alcohol is immensely dense in calories… and facilitated the progression/development of insulin resistance through numerous mechanisms.
Then again I’ve also seen acute psychosis arise from alcohol (profound disinhibition, paranoia, violent and antisocial behavior etc)
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Damn man. At the very least go to E3.5D but I would go 100mg E3.5D with no AIs and see how you feel in 8 weeks. I bet it will be markedly different as you get your FT up.
Funny about blood work there because I have a coworker who married a Polish girl and she gets ALL of her bloodwork done in Poland when she visits because its so cheap.
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Have you tried different strains and tried to notice the difference in how they make you feel?
Im being careful with weed since giving up booze. I’m abstaining from weed for 12 months as to not just swap one crutch for another. Whether or not I want to reintroduce it to my life next September is another question for the future. I typically only use weed once every couple of months.
All this being said I am saving a TON of money right now. Craft beer is crazy expensive. Top that off with an affinity for high end bourbon and we are not talking small potatoes.