Alcohol and Morals

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[quote]Edgy wrote:
you have it all wrong, Tiger.

Just trying to sort out this thing we call life, and figuring out relationships.

lifelong goal.

You have a strong moral strand. It comes through in the threads. Is it wrong to ask what you think on these subjects?[/quote]

The reason why I said what I did, is due to your attitude, tone, and the subject matter you choose to post about. You seem to dance around these issues, without actually saying exactly why these moral dilemmas are on your mind.

Also, “figuring out relationships” Nope, not happening. You have to figure out YOUR relationship, since not all people or relationships are created equal.

Before that, you should know what it is that YOU want out of a relationship and find someone who wants similar things, then you both will hopefully work towards making each other happy. Now, if that isn’t happening, then you have a choice to make. You either work on making it work or you move on.

Anything in between just causes stagnation and just prolongs the inevitable.

Some of this sounds along the lines of my mindset before I cheated on my GF a few years ago… which i’ve talked about a few times, at least, on TN. Remember?

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[quote]Edgy wrote:
Kareoke is a blast. the only difference is that I SOUND better when I’m drunk. Dance better too.[/quote]

Ditto on the dancing. I play pool better drunk too.

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[quote]Edgy wrote:
On a more serious note…

to compromise your morals after the ingestion of alcohol, would you not insist that your moral strand is weak at best? and if that is the case, then your morals while you are sober may not be the morals that you believe in yourself, but are morals that have been thrust upon you.

Amirong?[/quote]

There was a brief period in my life where I got drunk every night. I did this for about a month straight. I ended up getting a dui and permanently messing up my life in ways that I will not discuss on the internet. I did lots of stupid stuff (stupid in my mind) during this time. However, when I talk about this period I always come back to the phrase “I was not raised that way. I’m not like that.” I was raised the exact opposite of that.

Alcohol was never an issue growing up. Yes, we had it in the house, but I never even thought of drinking it. My parents hardly drink. Having sex before marriage? Oh, Hell no! Then I went to college. :slight_smile:

Do I drink now? Yes. A lot? No. Rarely even. I plan when I’m getting drunk. If I know I’m going to get drunk, I keep money for a cab ride home. I will be getting drunk this Friday at my going away party with my coworkers/friends. I will prolly get drunk at my cousin’s wedding (hopefully open bar).

But, I always go back to “I was not raised that way.” Sometimes I think I’m a disappointment to my parents because of the things I’ve done that go against the way I was raised. They never told me what was right or wrong, I just learned through observation and I know that some of the things I’ve done are in opposition to the morals I was raised with. There are some things I will NOT compromise on and others I have (obviously) and they are okay with most of it but I know the major thing, that my mom knows and my dad doesn’t, was a HUGE disappointment to my mom and will always bother me and I will probably always think less of myself because of it. I am extremely thankful to have found someone who doesn’t think it’s a big deal or think less of me because of it. I hope to one day think the same.

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I’m usually good if I stay away from the tequila.

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[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:
On a more serious note…

to compromise your morals after the ingestion of alcohol, would you not insist that your moral strand is weak at best? and if that is the case, then your morals while you are sober may not be the morals that you believe in yourself, but are morals that have been thrust upon you.

Amirong?[/quote]

There was a brief period in my life where I got drunk every night. I did this for about a month straight. I ended up getting a dui and permanently messing up my life in ways that I will not discuss on the internet. I did lots of stupid stuff (stupid in my mind) during this time. However, when I talk about this period I always come back to the phrase “I was not raised that way. I’m not like that.” I was raised the exact opposite of that.

Alcohol was never an issue growing up. Yes, we had it in the house, but I never even thought of drinking it. My parents hardly drink. Having sex before marriage? Oh, Hell no! Then I went to college. :slight_smile:

Do I drink now? Yes. A lot? No. Rarely even. I plan when I’m getting drunk. If I know I’m going to get drunk, I keep money for a cab ride home. I will be getting drunk this Friday at my going away party with my coworkers/friends. I will prolly get drunk at my cousin’s wedding (hopefully open bar).

But, I always go back to “I was not raised that way.” Sometimes I think I’m a disappointment to my parents because of the things I’ve done that go against the way I was raised. They never told me what was right or wrong, I just learned through observation and I know that some of the things I’ve done are in opposition to the morals I was raised with. There are some things I will NOT compromise on and others I have (obviously) and they are okay with most of it but I know the major thing, that my mom knows and my dad doesn’t, was a HUGE disappointment to my mom and will always bother me and I will probably always think less of myself because of it. I am extremely thankful to have found someone who doesn’t think it’s a big deal or think less of me because of it. I hope to one day think the same.[/quote]

I like your post

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:
On a more serious note…

to compromise your morals after the ingestion of alcohol, would you not insist that your moral strand is weak at best? and if that is the case, then your morals while you are sober may not be the morals that you believe in yourself, but are morals that have been thrust upon you.

Amirong?[/quote]

  1. I ain’t insisting shit!
  2. I’ll do the thrusting around here!

Look,

I consider myself a stand-up dude, but a dude none-the-less. A human animal with balls and testosterone and an urge to satisfy the part of the brain that desires immediate satisfaction. No matter what standard I hold myself to, be it integrity, honesty, courage, accountability, committment, it’s all been challenged, modified, re-addressed, and tackled over and over. Many times while I was in the throws of a substantial drinking problem. The moral code I live under is the one I’ve ultimately chose based on prior events and or damage I did to myself and or others both physically and emotionally. So, it’s only lately where I feel that if I’m going to fall back on some morals that there’ll actually be something there to hold me up. All through my 20’s I was swingin’ in the breeze, mostly of my own doing but swingin’ all the same.

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x2 for the most part.

Drunk or not, I think there are certain lines I would not cross - like committing armed robbery, etc. However, since drinking does impair judgment, I might make some stupid move I would later regret.

This is one reason I almost never have more than a couple of drinks. The other reason is that I don’t like the fuzzy-minded, physically uncoordinated, and emotionally depressed feeling that alcohol provides. I sometimes wonder how anybody can become addicted to something that makes you pretty much feel like shit - must be that other people don’t get the same effects from alcohol that I feel.

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Soooooooooo…

There are lines that we would cross, if the situation presents itself, and the conditions were right both emotionally and physically.

Then there is the introduction of alcohol.

Like most of you, I am sure that I would not commit murder or larceny under the influence, but I have stretched my definition of being in a monogamous relationship after just a few beers. And looked for ways to justify ‘cheating’ while conspiring to do so.

When I’m drunk, it seems like the right thing to do, or at least I will convince myself that it’s the right thing to do. That is where the conflict presides in me.

But afterward, the beast is satiated, the passion subsides, and the self loathing will set in, or if the justification seems plausible, then my soul is less tortured. I think Elvis lived with this duality (the King of Rock, not PMPM’s cat).

I have the tendency to be a hugger when I drink. I get this goofy smile, want to dance and hug on everybody. Sometimes this leads to sexual tension. And like I posted before, as the evening drags on, the cougars get more aggressive, and my will gets weak.

Alcohol was prevalent in our house while growing up. My parents were barflys, and their only friend were bar people. There were also incidents resulting in that lifestyle that we grew up with, but that is the subject of another thread. Once again, I am not complaining, just giving you a reference point.

Greenie, and Tiger. I appreciate your posts, this thread took more of a serious tone than I had originally intended and I apologize if it stirred up negative emotions, that was not my intent. I appreciate your midwest values and learn from your posts.

And…I do dance better when drunk.

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I grew up in a pretty alcohol-sterile environment compared to many of my friends, counterparts.

By the time I was born, my Dad and uncles had already dealt with their drinking issues and had dialed their boozin way back. My older brother remembers my Dad drinking every day, but I don’t.

My folks’d drink on the weekends playing cards with friends or at BBQ’s and whatnot, but nothing to the point where they’d go out strictly to drink.

It wasn’t necessarily deglamorized, but it wasn’t exactly celebrated either.

All that being said, and all that I’ve said so far, there are good memories attached to nights out drinking, or hanging out with buddies around a bonfire, things like that.

Like, last week I was in Washington State with a couple other co-workers, both dudes, all around the same age, etc. We each had a fair amount of beer, not enough to get hammered, but enough to be feeling it. We had a pretty good “bonding” moment I guess you’d say, talked about everything from women to having kids to sports, to music. Had a great juke-box in that bar so we dialed up songs and generally had a really fucking good time.

That’s when booze is all-right, but like everything else I suppose, moderation is important

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
I’m usually good if I stay away from the tequila.[/quote]

Just like me.

But then again, that’s why I start with tequila.

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As long as I stay away from Sambuca…last Satuday night I did not. Apparently I took part in a synchrinized swimming competition…on land lol. That’s just harmless fun, thank god I’m a happy drunk…now, it wasen’t always this way. I’m the jealous type when it comes to my wife and alchohol brings this out in me even more. When we were younger it was a big problem. Not sure what that means as far as morals go.

Edgy…being a hugger when juiced is what we call a cuddleslut lol. Just watch out for jealous BF.

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Bond -
I’m usually hugging the BF too.

I’m and indiscriminate cuddleslut.

Went to my nephews BF’s (yes it is what you think) surprise party a month ago in SF. Yep. Got drunk, and was hugging and hanging on all the fudgepackers in the room. I was quite popular that night. and no, I ain’t ghey. Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

on the Morals issue…happy drunks and group sync swimming does not count as far as compromising your morals, in my opinion…the questions is whether or not you would do something completely out of character when you are drinking, and whether or not your morals would be compromised, or if you moral set is not entirely what you have set for yourself, but is thrust upon you?

that is the question.

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[quote]Edgy wrote:
Bond -
I’m usually hugging the BF too.

I’m and indiscriminate cuddleslut.

Went to my nephews BF’s (yes it is what you think) surprise party a month ago in SF. Yep. Got drunk, and was hugging and hanging on all the fudgepackers in the room. I was quite popular that night. and no, I ain’t ghey. Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

on the Morals issue…happy drunks and group sync swimming does not count as far as compromising your morals, in my opinion…the questions is whether or not you would do something completely out of character when you are drinking, and whether or not your morals would be compromised, or if you moral set is not entirely what you have set for yourself, but is thrust upon you?

that is the question.[/quote]

To me alchohol just brings out the real you X1000, not out of character really, just more of it and that isn’t always a good thing. I friend of mine when sober dosen’t say much, however when he gets a few in him he’s a chatty cathy and acts silly, not annoying mind you but yeah, out of character I guess. This is hurting my head to think about, especially the second part of the question.

Those guys at the party probably thought you were hilarious lol.

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is it wrong to bump your own thread?

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Only if you would have sober.

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Not sure if its moral or not :wink:

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Holy thread necromancy, Batman!

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My lord this thread is ancient … soo many old names I miss around here. Good bump my man

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WTF!? I was in the middle of a nap and you woke me up.

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It’s been 4 years Rip Van Winkle … it’s time to get up :slight_smile:

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