Al Gore Energy Usage Rises

Not so. Every time I turn on the television, I have to hear panic about global warming. The claim is pretty simple: man produces C02 through various activities and the earth warms as a result.

This claim is based on the computer modeling done by various scientists in the IPCC who, of course, profit by their predictions. There’s a saying in the computer science world that goes, “garbage in, garbage out,” which is the case with the data obtained by these IPCC simulations.

It’s another “heterosexual HIV” scare redux - scare the people into giving you money so that you can bolster your claims with your ‘research’ and keep scaring them. Isn’t science great?

My question sort of got lost in the heated exchanges!

Anyone know how Gore explains his personal energy consumption?

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
My question sort of got lost in the heated exchanges!

Anyone know how Gore explains his personal energy consumption?

Mufasa
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Perhaps 100 Meters will tell us what’s in Al’s mind?

For my part I notice that he never puts himself in a situation where he’s going to get a tough question … like explaining his personal energy consumption …

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I’ve figured out where Al Gore’s energy usage comes from. He’s researching fusion in his basement as a source of alternative energy. He’s got a tokamak and it takes a lot of power to get it going.

Seriously, though. I applaud any of his venture capital efforts in the alternative energy field. We need to stop giving the Arabs our money. [/quote]

Tokamak ? … Awesome … I learned something …

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

You present a half-truth. How nice that you note that Gore personally invests in all of these projects on his time to suit his own priorities, none of which anyone has a problem with.

But what you fail to acknowledge - either intentionally or because you don’t know different (given your performances of late, I am inclined to go with the latter) - is that Gore wants wholesale policy change at great costs to the national and global economy, all because such trade-offs must be mowed down in the name of averting a moral crisis (his words).

Gore doesn’t just “live green” - he wants to visit on millions a tough policy change that he himself can whistle past due to his lofty resources. If Gore was this “do it your selfer” and nothing more, why not just let private citizens do what he does when their financial means allow them to live greener? Nope, not good enough - he wants others to absorb the difficult trade-offs while he heats his outside pool.

Oh, and should you ever be bothered to do anything original, you’d learn that carbon offsets are at best “feelgood” vehicles that do little to offset much of anything and at worst are a sham.

Merely “buying indulgences” doesn’t do much except dupe myopic idiots into worshiping their antics while completely ignoring the rank hypocrisy. Gore and the rest laugh all the way to the bank knowing his legions of lemmings will provide him philosophical cover.

That said, we have genuine environmental issues to deal with, and Gore does some good things, in my view - but what hurts practical reform are Pharisees like Gore, and mindless dupes like you that believe anything you read.
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My point, clearly, based on his message, he is the opposite of a hypocrite.

On your other point, I just totally disagree. If a part of that policy was legislating tougher CAFE standards on automakers say 10 years ago, they’d be better off, we’d be better off. Instead Toyota is better off, and Detroit is, well starting over.

[quote]beebuddy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

[i] Energy Guzzled by Al Gore�??s Home in Past Year Could Power 232 U.S. Homes for a Month

That sounds so much more indicting than “19.3 homes for one year.”[/quote]

Lol,

They may as well have said “Energy Guzzled by Al Gore’s Home in Past Year Could Power 10356480 American homes for one minute”

I find Gore’s energy usage to be problematic even at only 20 times the mean. 20 times more yearly usage then we peasants. Unless he’s conducting research in his basement like some sort of Tony Stark, I think an explanation would be worthwhile to silence those of us charging hypocrisy.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
It appears you haven’t watched his film/read the book/understand his positions.

Not so. Every time I turn on the television, I have to hear panic about global warming. The claim is pretty simple: man produces C02 through various activities and the earth warms as a result.

This claim is based on the computer modeling done by various scientists in the IPCC who, of course, profit by their predictions. There’s a saying in the computer science world that goes, “garbage in, garbage out,” which is the case with the data obtained by these IPCC simulations.

It’s another “heterosexual HIV” scare redux - scare the people into giving you money so that you can bolster your claims with your ‘research’ and keep scaring them. Isn’t science great? [/quote]

Actually, I know an oceanographer who has empirically demonstrated the degree of global warming produced by human activity. It’s a lot, but the bulk of it has been masked by a global cooling cycle that ended recently.

[quote]100meters wrote:

Also omitted for obvious reasons…100% of the energy used by the Gores/respective businesses at the home is “green energy”.

http://www.tva.gov/greenpowerswitch/

How dare he practice what he preaches! The nerve!

Zap, you remain one of the biggest fakers in here.[/quote]

No such thing as “green energy” unless his house and vehicles and air travel are powered by chlorophyll.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
vroom wrote:
People don’t want the details 100m, they just want a convenient hatchet job that aligns with their political viewpoint.

Not quite right. He used nearly a quarter megawatt of power last year. He’s purchasing the energy from the TVA’s renewable sources, but his usage still drives up the marginal cost of power for the other 231 households that could have purchased the same resource. When demand rises, as it certainly has in Gore’s case, the price rises because of limited supply. Those other 231 households are affected because of his usage and may purchase the cheaper resource (fossil fuel generated power) as a result, unless there’s quite a bit of elasticity in demand.

It’s still unclear to me how he managed to use that much power in this day and age of CMOS and passive circuitry. What was he running, a walk-in meat locker? Judging by his physique (or lack thereof) my guess is an extremely large refrigerator or food storage appliance. The kitchen must be running full-time as well. [/quote]

Precisely. He uses more than his share of “renewable” energy while the poor folk use “fossil fuels”. Perhaps if he used a bit less energy then we could burn less dinosaur oil?

[quote]100meters wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
100meters wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Because he is a hypocrite Gore ranks right down there with the most detestable public figure.

Factually the measures taken make him the opposite of a hypocrite.
Me thinks you need to google the word.

Me thinks you need to stop drinking the liberal Kool-Aid…oh that’s right you actually make the liberal Kool-Aid don’t you?

Anyway…when someone makes millions of dollars talking about not consuming so much energy and then does what he does he is “detestable” just as I said he was.

He’s also a hypocrite.

Hypocrite: “Feigning to be what one is not”.

Now go grab more talking points from Moveon.org and come back with some answers.

You get the issue is reducing the energy usage for particular types of fuels right? Because of a certain impact the use of these fuels have on the environment.

So yeah, the opposite of hypocrite. I’m sure an apology is forthcomig?
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Um, wrong. That is not the issue. The issue is using less energy overall because renewal energy does not have nearly enough capacity to power a small fraction of our needs. Every watt used by Gore translates directly to fossil fuel being used.

[quote]100meters wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
100meters wrote:

Al Gore is calling for massive shifts in national and global policy to effect the change necessary to rescue us “sinners in the hands of an angry God”, not just encouraging people to buy earth-friendly light bulbs.

Note that these expensive trade-offs will affect Al Gore very little - as a man worth millions, his has little need to change his consumption.

The rest of the regular folks - presumably those legions of ungrateful, unwashed plebians that liberals love to hate, despite claiming to be their champions - bear the brunt of Gore’s righteous crusade.

Gore is more than happy to indulge in the “sacrifices for thee, but not for me” approach - and it has been hurting his message ever since. Why should anyone else curb their consumption if the Goracle isn’t, especially when they got regular guy bills to pay?

It appears you haven’t watched his film/read the book/understand his positions.

You get that Gore’s position is (in his and my opinon) is carbon is a leading cause of global warming (which he believes in) and that carbon needs to be reduced. This can be done by less consumption of fossil fuels (doing it) and/or/through switching to alternative/greener energy sources (also doing it).

So he’s investing in alternatives.
Added solar panels
Added geothermal
Added everything else to home that you can imagine etc.,etc.,etc.
Purchasing green energy,
Raising public awareness
Purchase carbon offsets

Clearly he is going above and beyond and further still than the average person changing the lightbulbs and driving hybrids.

The goal is reduce your carbon footprint. He’s doing that in everyway possible.
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He did none of this before getting busted and now he is taking these tiny steps. Instead of selling the power back to the grid he is squandering it and forcing poor people to burn coal for their electrical needs. Your spin is tiresome. Until the entire planet is powered by renewable energy sources his squandering of electricity directly results in burning coal.

[quote]100meters wrote:
dk44 wrote:
So he wants use to “conserve” yet his ass uses more. Fuck Him.

Can’t believe some of you are praising him.

“He doesn’t have an average american home, blah blah blah”

So basically, those with more money can throw caution to the wind, while they preach to the poor.

HH, you seem dead on with the “fuck the middle class” agenda of the elites.

The correct argument is "so he wants us to “reduce our carbon footprint”, yet his ass is “reducing his carbon foot print”.

Of course that sounds silly, so you tried a different route.[/quote]

No it isn’t. He is using false logic to consume more than his share and forcing poor people to carry his “carbon footprint” whatever the hell that is.

Perhaps he feels as though his increased energy usage is justified by the number of people he reaches. You know… if he consumes 20 times the amount of energy as a “normal” American, he only has to convince 200 people to reduce their footprint by 10% to break even. Any more than that, and it’s a winning situation.

If only Thoreau’s thoughts were murder to Al Gore too.

[quote]Bergman wrote:
Perhaps he feels as though his increased energy usage is justified by the number of people he reaches. You know… if he consumes 20 times the amount of energy as a “normal” American, he only has to convince 200 people to reduce their footprint by 10% to break even. Any more than that, and it’s a winning situation.[/quote]

Finally, a good post. Overall this thread has had me shaking my head in disbelief.

People are so deluded and cynical about politics.

[quote]beebuddy wrote:
Bergman wrote:
Perhaps he feels as though his increased energy usage is justified by the number of people he reaches. You know… if he consumes 20 times the amount of energy as a “normal” American, he only has to convince 200 people to reduce their footprint by 10% to break even. Any more than that, and it’s a winning situation.

Finally, a good post. Overall this thread has had me shaking my head in disbelief.

People are so deluded and cynical about politics. [/quote]

I thought he was being sarcastic.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
Bergman wrote:
Perhaps he feels as though his increased energy usage is justified by the number of people he reaches. You know… if he consumes 20 times the amount of energy as a “normal” American, he only has to convince 200 people to reduce their footprint by 10% to break even. Any more than that, and it’s a winning situation.

Finally, a good post. Overall this thread has had me shaking my head in disbelief.

People are so deluded and cynical about politics.

I thought he was being sarcastic.[/quote]

Why? By that logic his message of conservation has already been a success overall. Do you actually believe that Gore doesn’t believe in his own message and is just trying to pull some kind of for-profit scam? If you do believe that, that’s up to you, but it’s idiotic IMO.

[quote]beebuddy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
Bergman wrote:
Perhaps he feels as though his increased energy usage is justified by the number of people he reaches. You know… if he consumes 20 times the amount of energy as a “normal” American, he only has to convince 200 people to reduce their footprint by 10% to break even. Any more than that, and it’s a winning situation.

Finally, a good post. Overall this thread has had me shaking my head in disbelief.

People are so deluded and cynical about politics.

I thought he was being sarcastic.

Why? By that logic his message of conservation has already been a success overall. Do you actually believe that Gore doesn’t believe in his own message and is just trying to pull some kind of for-profit scam? If you do believe that, that’s up to you, but it’s idiotic IMO. [/quote]

Trying to talk people out of doing something to justify his doing more of it is something like a cult leader would do.

And he is making HUGE profits off the whole thing and stands to make more by situating himself right in the middle of the cap and trade scam.