[quote]vroom wrote:
People don’t want the details 100m, they just want a convenient hatchet job that aligns with their political viewpoint.[/quote]
My God, this is surreal - Vroom supporting 100 meters as a voice of non-partisan anti-spin, teaming up to save us all from partisanship.
100meters.
Mine eyes have seen it all now.
To the topic, Al Gore is a modern Pharisee - trying to sell imminent disaster if we don’t change our sinful ways (presumably, the “politics of fear”, but never is that much-abused catchphrase applied with any consistency), but Gore will continue to belch out more emissions via his house(s) and private jets than the average consumer will in 10 years.
He doesn’t call for modest adjustments - he wants drastic reform now because such change is a moral issue that can’t wait. Yet, just as he calls for hard sacrifices for the “people”, he himself need not suffer for the moral cause himself.
And this fraudulent purchasing of “carbon offsets” is pure chicanery - a sloppy smokescreen to shield (or try to anyway) himself and other Hollywood types who live one way but preach another.
As an anecdotal sidenote, and at the risk of sounding like name-dropping, some Tennessee environmentalists are fed up with Mr. Gore.
Gore either needs to change his behavior to match his rhetoric, or he needs to adjust his rhetoric down. Till then, his phoniness hurts the very message he has committed his life to.
The problem OF COURSE, is that Al who would love to be able to ration my comparatively tiny lifestyle down to what fucking light bulbs I can buy and how many carbon credits I get each year and where I can set my thermostat and what car I can drive … that guy … is himself living like an arab sheik while he’s preaching to me about how I should reduce my footprint.
You libs would be smarter to stop defending him … acknowledge he’s a schlub and go back to your eco-nazi arguments pure and untainted by Gore’s hypocrisy.
I will, however, defend Al Gore on one point, and I wish this Al Gore would show up more than than the “crooked Pope of environmentalism” - Gore is heavily involved in venture capital efforts to find alternative, greener energies. He had an interview with Worth (I think) here while back, and he had some pretty smart things to say about his efforts in this area. I applaud him for that.
Al Gore the Pragmatist Financier is much better than the hectoring, lecturing Goracle the Pharisee. When Gore uses his political celebrity for some old fashioned innovation and practical reform, I can get on board much better than when he uses it to create sensationalism to indulge the air-headed, navel-gazing, cow-eyed followers who, in cult-like fashion, line up as nodding bobbleheads behind any political figure selling “progress”.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
100meters wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Because he is a hypocrite Gore ranks right down there with the most detestable public figure.
Factually the measures taken make him the opposite of a hypocrite.
Me thinks you need to google the word.
Me thinks you need to stop drinking the liberal Kool-Aid…oh that’s right you actually make the liberal Kool-Aid don’t you?
Anyway…when someone makes millions of dollars talking about not consuming so much energy and then does what he does he is “detestable” just as I said he was.
He’s also a hypocrite.
Hypocrite: “Feigning to be what one is not”.
Now go grab more talking points from Moveon.org and come back with some answers.[/quote]
You get the issue is reducing the energy usage for particular types of fuels right? Because of a certain impact the use of these fuels have on the environment.
So yeah, the opposite of hypocrite. I’m sure an apology is forthcomig?
I’ve figured out where Al Gore’s energy usage comes from. He’s researching fusion in his basement as a source of alternative energy. He’s got a tokamak and it takes a lot of power to get it going.
Seriously, though. I applaud any of his venture capital efforts in the alternative energy field. We need to stop giving the Arabs our money.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Gore either needs to change his behavior to match his rhetoric, or he needs to adjust his rhetoric down. Till then, his phoniness hurts the very message he has committed his life to.[/quote]
He factually has changed his behavior to EXACTLY match his rhetoric. The movie doesn’t say purchase a tent and live in the woods. Idiots!!!
Keeping in mind, that even if he lived in a tent and lived in the woods, he’d still be attacked.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I’ve figured out where Al Gore’s energy usage comes from. He’s researching fusion in his basement as a source of alternative energy. He’s got a tokamak and it takes a lot of power to get it going.
Seriously, though. I applaud any of his venture capital efforts in the alternative energy field. We need to stop giving the Arabs our money. [/quote]
To be clear his residence isn’t just a residence. He’s running joint business with multiple staffs, in addition to regular conferences, gatherings, meetings, security, etc… it’s easy to envision quite a large amount of computer and related equipment running frequently, in addition to keeping many people fed, cooled, heated, etc.
All in addition to the energy costs of converting a home over to green technology. On top of that he’s paying the additional premium of 30-40% for the green energy that he’s using. All that adds up to large electrical bills.
But I suppose for idiots its easier to imagine 2 people living in a mansion by themselves just sitting around wasting large amounts of energy.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
[i] Energy Guzzled by Al Gore�??s Home in Past Year Could Power 232 U.S. Homes for a Month [/quote]
That sounds so much more indicting than “19.3 homes for one year.”
[quote]100meters wrote:
He factually has changed his behavior to EXACTLY match his rhetoric. The movie doesn’t say purchase a tent and live in the woods. Idiots!!!
Keeping in mind, that even if he lived in a tent and lived in the woods, he’d still be attacked.[/quote]
Al Gore is calling for massive shifts in national and global policy to effect the change necessary to rescue us “sinners in the hands of an angry God”, not just encouraging people to buy earth-friendly light bulbs.
Note that these expensive trade-offs will affect Al Gore very little - as a man worth millions, his has little need to change his consumption.
The rest of the regular folks - presumably those legions of ungrateful, unwashed plebians that liberals love to hate, despite claiming to be their champions - bear the brunt of Gore’s righteous crusade.
Gore is more than happy to indulge in the “sacrifices for thee, but not for me” approach - and it has been hurting his message ever since. Why should anyone else curb their consumption if the Goracle isn’t, especially when they got regular guy bills to pay?
Sorry, 100meters - I realize your world is quite small, and federal agents could find 100 dead hookers in any prominent Democrat’s basement, and you still would think said prominent Democrat would be entitled to your unvarnished level of partisan worship, but Gore has been experiencing diminishing returns for a while because of his shrillness not matching up with reality, and a year’s worth of even heavier energy usage is part of his fizzling out.
So he wants use to “conserve” yet his ass uses more. Fuck Him.
Can’t believe some of you are praising him.
“He doesn’t have an average american home, blah blah blah”
So basically, those with more money can throw caution to the wind, while they preach to the poor.
HH, you seem dead on with the “fuck the middle class” agenda of the elites.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
GCF wrote:
I just think that him having a higher energy consumption than the average does not necessarily make him a hypocrite (nor am I saying he isn’t).
The guy writes books and has films produced that condemn those of us who drive SUV’s and the like. And he’s consuming more energy than the rest of us. If you don’t see anything wrong with that you’re either very, very young and confused…I’ve seen a lot of that on this sight…or, you’re stupid.
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Well I assume that being over 30 eliminates me from the ‘very, very young’ category so you are calling me stupid. How boring.
You are also now misrespresenting my argument. As I’ve said I’m neither defending Gore nor his enegy usage (niether of which I give a fuck about). What I’m saying is that I personally do not think the premises given in the article necessarily lead the conclusion we are meant to arrive to (I’m not about to explain my opinion all over again but feel free to reread my posts).
I can see that we come to different conclusions but unlike you I respect that and am not going to resort to name calling simply bcause we don’t see eye to eye.
I’ve been around these forums for a long time but as you can see my post count is very low, this is because as much as I like a bit of debate I get very bored by the way they always end up with silly name calling and intolerence of other views.
The other day for some reason I felt like adding in my view, not in order to change people’s minds or prove them wrong but simply to offer an alternative viewpoint.
That’s me done on the subject. I’ll still follow, I like to learn and already have done so from this thread, even from people I don’t agree with (gasp).
Anyone know how Gore explains his energy consumption?
Mufasa
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
100meters wrote:
Al Gore is calling for massive shifts in national and global policy to effect the change necessary to rescue us “sinners in the hands of an angry God”, not just encouraging people to buy earth-friendly light bulbs.
Note that these expensive trade-offs will affect Al Gore very little - as a man worth millions, his has little need to change his consumption.
The rest of the regular folks - presumably those legions of ungrateful, unwashed plebians that liberals love to hate, despite claiming to be their champions - bear the brunt of Gore’s righteous crusade.
Gore is more than happy to indulge in the “sacrifices for thee, but not for me” approach - and it has been hurting his message ever since. Why should anyone else curb their consumption if the Goracle isn’t, especially when they got regular guy bills to pay?
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It appears you haven’t watched his film/read the book/understand his positions.
You get that Gore’s position is (in his and my opinon) is carbon is a leading cause of global warming (which he believes in) and that carbon needs to be reduced. This can be done by less consumption of fossil fuels (doing it) and/or/through switching to alternative/greener energy sources (also doing it).
So he’s investing in alternatives.
Added solar panels
Added geothermal
Added everything else to home that you can imagine etc.,etc.,etc.
Purchasing green energy,
Raising public awareness
Purchase carbon offsets
Clearly he is going above and beyond and further still than the average person changing the lightbulbs and driving hybrids.
The goal is reduce your carbon footprint. He’s doing that in everyway possible.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
So he wants use to “conserve” yet his ass uses more. Fuck Him.
Can’t believe some of you are praising him.
“He doesn’t have an average american home, blah blah blah”
So basically, those with more money can throw caution to the wind, while they preach to the poor.
HH, you seem dead on with the “fuck the middle class” agenda of the elites. [/quote]
The correct argument is "so he wants us to “reduce our carbon footprint”, yet his ass is “reducing his carbon foot print”.
Of course that sounds silly, so you tried a different route.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Let’s see…he’s against all of us common people burning too much gasoline…and he probably burns more in one month than the average guy does in one year.
In your zeal to defend one of your own you’ve stopped making sense.
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Your a very stupid person, not able to grasp the simplest of concepts (Obama and taxes springs to mind), but because I feel bad for the retarded…
Al Gore’s message is very simple.
Analyze your own carbon footprint.
See if you can reduce it somehow.
But it is funny to analyze your logic. Gore believes in global warming and you don’t. You also don’t really care what the rich actually waste.
So you take a man’s position which don’t believe in, then twist that issue to critique him for a lifestyle that doesn’t actually bother you. It’s funny, but also sad (because unfortunately you get to vote.)
[quote]100meters wrote:
It appears you haven’t watched his film/read the book/understand his positions.
You get that Gore’s position is (in his and my opinon) is carbon is a leading cause of global warming (which he believes in) and that carbon needs to be reduced. This can be done by less consumption of fossil fuels (doing it) and/or/through switching to alternative/greener energy sources (also doing it).
So he’s investing in alternatives.
Added solar panels
Added geothermal
Added everything else to home that you can imagine etc.,etc.,etc.
Purchasing green energy,
Raising public awareness
Purchase carbon offsets
Clearly he is going above and beyond and further still than the average person changing the lightbulbs and driving hybrids.
The goal is reduce your carbon footprint. He’s doing that in everyway possible.[/quote]
You present a half-truth. How nice that you note that Gore personally invests in all of these projects on his time to suit his own priorities, none of which anyone has a problem with.
But what you fail to acknowledge - either intentionally or because you don’t know different (given your performances of late, I am inclined to go with the latter) - is that Gore wants wholesale policy change at great costs to the national and global economy, all because such trade-offs must be mowed down in the name of averting a moral crisis (his words).
Gore doesn’t just “live green” - he wants to visit on millions a tough policy change that he himself can whistle past due to his lofty resources. If Gore was this “do it your selfer” and nothing more, why not just let private citizens do what he does when their financial means allow them to live greener? Nope, not good enough - he wants others to absorb the difficult trade-offs while he heats his outside pool.
Oh, and should you ever be bothered to do anything original, you’d learn that carbon offsets are at best “feelgood” vehicles that do little to offset much of anything and at worst are a sham.
Merely “buying indulgences” doesn’t do much except dupe myopic idiots into worshiping their antics while completely ignoring the rank hypocrisy. Gore and the rest laugh all the way to the bank knowing his legions of lemmings will provide him philosophical cover.
That said, we have genuine environmental issues to deal with, and Gore does some good things, in my view - but what hurts practical reform are Pharisees like Gore, and mindless dupes like you that believe anything you read.