Ahmadinejad: 'Annihilate Israel'

[MattyG35]

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Mak, just go play tough talker somewhere else, seriously now. You doing it is friggen laughable. BC is 10x the intellect and man you could hope to be. He’ll leave a hell of a lot more lives changed for the better than you. Unless you consider keeping your dope man employed a contribution.

Edit: Seriously, there isn’t a more dishonest and intellectually bankrupt poster on this forum. At least you managed to call up enough of an attention span to bang out more than a sentence. Hyper tonight?[/quote]

L-O-L
(eye roll)

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Sorry, I didn’t see his point. I still don’t. Can someone explain?[/quote]

You see his point just fine, yet you choose to feign ignorance of the fucking tooth fairy just to avoid the actual argument.

Pathetic.[/quote]

I’m not getting it.

[Tiribulus]

[quote]squating_bear wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
But the Bear is not going to deny that the Shia’s won’t rest until every Jew is dead? Quranic justification or not.[/quote]
Hmmmm… I avoid these threads for a reason. That post pulled me in because like I said - it was off the charts BS - further than just the Quran part. I highlighted that part only because it should be easiest for him to prove, if he is truthful. It also did seem to be, more or less, the heart of his post

I wouldn’t deny that you have latched onto something very real here. Nor is that my opinion.
(sometimes I’ll disagree with something without sharing my opinion - but I partially agree with you here)

I think you’re pushing it when you say “the Shia’s” - they are to large a group to treat that way

I also think you’re pushing it when you say “every Jew”

I don’t trust the media here to get it anywhere close to correct. I don’t have a firm enough foundation to have even constructed much of an opinion on these topics (Shias, Iran, Palestine). However, I don’t require much foundation to deny the propagandistic language of your post.

Some will read that as me shooting down hardcore propaganda, and others will read that as me semantically dodging your question. They are both probably right - lemme fix that

There is most likely a bunch of them which hate Israel. How big that bunch is - I can’t say.
There is most likely a bunch less of them which hate Jews as a race. How much smaller that bunch is - I can’t say

Ah, damn. I don’t think that fixed it. Maybe you can understand why I just avoid the topics tho[/quote]You know yer my buddy man. Slippery lil critter that you are. =] So I know you will take me correctly when I say that your response will not do much to dissuade those who are looking for a plain denunciation of theocratic jihadist Islam. Ya jist hafta see that. Dearborn is FULL of Sunnis who will not simply declare the hardline Shia’s to be murderous barbarians. It is very disconcerting my friend.

[squating_bear]

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]squating_bear wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
But the Bear is not going to deny that the Shia’s won’t rest until every Jew is dead? Quranic justification or not.[/quote]
Hmmmm… I avoid these threads for a reason. That post pulled me in because like I said - it was off the charts BS - further than just the Quran part. I highlighted that part only because it should be easiest for him to prove, if he is truthful. It also did seem to be, more or less, the heart of his post

I wouldn’t deny that you have latched onto something very real here. Nor is that my opinion.
(sometimes I’ll disagree with something without sharing my opinion - but I partially agree with you here)

I think you’re pushing it when you say “the Shia’s” - they are to large a group to treat that way

I also think you’re pushing it when you say “every Jew”

I don’t trust the media here to get it anywhere close to correct. I don’t have a firm enough foundation to have even constructed much of an opinion on these topics (Shias, Iran, Palestine). However, I don’t require much foundation to deny the propagandistic language of your post.

Some will read that as me shooting down hardcore propaganda, and others will read that as me semantically dodging your question. They are both probably right - lemme fix that

There is most likely a bunch of them which hate Israel. How big that bunch is - I can’t say.
There is most likely a bunch less of them which hate Jews as a race. How much smaller that bunch is - I can’t say

Ah, damn. I don’t think that fixed it. Maybe you can understand why I just avoid the topics tho[/quote]You know yer my buddy man. Slippery lil critter that you are. =] So I know you will take me correctly when I say that your response will not do much to dissuade those who are looking for a plain denunciation of theocratic jihadist Islam. Ya jist hafta see that. Dearborn is FULL of Sunnis who will not simply declare the hardline Shia’s to be murderous barbarians. It is very disconcerting my friend.
[/quote]
Yea I know, even with the propaganda your still my buddy to

I know its not the answer you hoped for, but shame on me if I let that influence me. Asking me about the politics of Iran is like asking me about the politics of Pluto. The exaggeration is not as extreme as you think.

Not if what thethirdruffian posted gets through*. And even further - if he was [i]actually [/i]taught that from the military? I can’t trust any of the info I’m hearing. Maybe if I took way more effort to sift through it all - but I haven’t

I would estimate that even on the nonreligious topics you take certain things on faith that I simply cannot - I’m not in a position to do so

(to people… not talking about freedom of speech)

[Tiribulus]

But I haven’t given any propaganda. I’ve simply told you how it is. We are always hearing about how the Bin Laden types are extremists who are not true Muslims, but I live up to my eyeballs in Muslims who will not themselves say that. Now my favorite Muslim friend here at T-Nation won’t say it either. My point has nothing to do with anybody else’s post or statement.

[squating_bear]

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
But I haven’t given any propaganda. I’ve simply told you how it is. We are always hearing about how the Bin Laden types are extremists who are not true Muslims, but I live up to my eyeballs in Muslims who will not themselves say that. Now my favorite Muslim friend here at T-Nation won’t say it either. My point has nothing to do with anybody else’s post or statement.[/quote]
First thing I told you was that you’ve latched onto something very real

But the semantics of your earlier post render it to a propagandistic statement - it did man. That doesn’t mean that your not onto something. But I cannot agree with that as stated

You’ve simply told me how it is as best you can. Not how it actually is - you’re not really in a position to do that, sorry.

Bin Laden =/= Shia

Who exactly am I supposed to be demonizing here?

My point has nothing to do with anybody else’s post or statement.

I know, I know - but mine does.

This is all a mess far, far larger than me. I can’t clean it - not now anyway. Best I can do is to not let it dirty up me.

Agreeing with you would be just that. Disagreeing with you would as well. I avoid for good reason.

[Makavali]

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Either you’re bored and have the attention span of the typical American…[/quote]

1. Your class is underwhelming.

2. Sloth IS smart; you, not so much.
   [/quote]

Don’t froth too much while defending your boyfriend. I’m sure he can speak for himself.

[Makavali]

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Either you’re bored and have the attention span of the typical American…[/quote]

1. Your class is underwhelming.

2. Sloth IS smart; you, not so much.
   [/quote]

Don’t froth too much while defending your boyfriend. I’m sure he can speak for himself.[/quote]

Ha ha ha!

I’ve never even traded posts with Sloth, and the one time he commented on one of mine it was to criticize it.

It’s just that the difference between you and him is so…glaringly profound.

Besides, who else but you would make a big deal about being offended by mention of his ethnic background, and then later make comments about “typical Americans?”

Anyway, you are outgunned and out-classed here, son. Stop now before Sloth makes you look even sillier.

[/quote]

American is no more a race than Australian or New Zealander.

Now, if I’d said cracka or something, you might be on to something…

Cracka.

[Headhunter]

Obama won’t do anything. The Iranians and our leadership feed off of each other.

They are all united against freedom and the individual.

[Copenhagen23]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Obama won’t do anything. The Iranians and our leadership feed off of each other.

They are all united against freedom and the individual.[/quote]

But Romney will. He made it clear that he’ll do anything for Israel. Including having the US go to war with Iran for them.

[Headhunter]

[quote]Copenhagen23 wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Obama won’t do anything. The Iranians and our leadership feed off of each other.

They are all united against freedom and the individual.[/quote]

But Romney will. He made it clear that he’ll do anything for Israel. Including having the US go to war with Iran for them. [/quote]

Point = missed.

The Iranian leaders need us: “Keep us in power of the Great Satan will kill you!!”

Fear of Iranian nukes keep us all in line, happy to give away our freedoms, to be secure.

The best solution to this is to bomb Iran (esp the leaders). Burn the nest. We then have peace. Our leaders though will never do that – we need the IRanians.

George Orwell explains this way better than I ever could.

[shorty_blitz]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]Copenhagen23 wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Obama won’t do anything. The Iranians and our leadership feed off of each other.

They are all united against freedom and the individual.[/quote]

But Romney will. He made it clear that he’ll do anything for Israel. Including having the US go to war with Iran for them. [/quote]

Point = missed.

The Iranian leaders need us: “Keep us in power of the Great Satan will kill you!!”

Fear of Iranian nukes keep us all in line, happy to give away our freedoms, to be secure.

The best solution to this is to bomb Iran (esp the leaders). Burn the nest. We then have peace. Our leaders though will never do that – we need the IRanians.

George Orwell explains this way better than I ever could.[/quote]

So you’re not as dumb as I initially thought you were! Though you are absolutely correct in saying that governments from both sides ‘need’ each other, you are wrong in thinking that bombing anyone will help. This will just bolster power in favor of corrupt leaders, exposing them to their populations would be what weakens them. The situation with Israel and Palestine is the same thing, government on all sides are feeding off this conflict while people suffer.

[system]

[quote]squating_bear wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Interesting, thanks thirdruffian[/quote]
Just a heads up - that was off the charts BS

Very interesting they taught him that tho[/quote]

Actually, your post is “off-the-chart” BS. Having read your post, you are intentionally ignorant on the subject.

In my multiple tours of Iraq and Afganistan, I heard the same thing (“no peace until all the Jews are dead”) from muslims of all stripes. I’ll provide the quotes as I go along.

[system]

[quote]squating_bear wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
So he killed the Jews in Medina. Everyone. Including little kids. All documented in the koran. Basic, senseless, slaughter to get “revenge” and steal their stuff.
[/quote]
you mind to post up where the Quran documents this?

Quran doesn’t document Muslims senselessly slaughtering people for revenge and theft… you sure they actually taught you that? Cuz that doesn’t even make much sense - you sure your memory isn’t foggy on this?[/quote]

Do they have wikipedia in your world? Google? Like “medina Jews death” for example?

Here:

“Then they surrendered, and the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. Among them was the enemy of Allah Huyayy b. Akhtab and Kab b. Asad their chief. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. As they were being taken out in batches to the apostle they asked Kab what he thought would be done with them. He replied, ‘Will you never understand? Don’t you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!’ This went on until the apostle made an end of them. Huyayy was brought out wearing a flowered robe in which he had made holes about the size of the finger-tips in every part so that it should not be taken from him as spoil, with his hands bound to his neck by a rope. When he saw the apostle he said, ‘By God, I do not blame myself for opposing you, but he who forsakes God will be forsaken.’ Then he went to the men and said, ‘God’s command is right. A book and a decree, and massacre have been written against the Sons of Israel.’ Then he sat down and his head was struck off.”

Banu Qurayza

The men were killed, en masse, the women sex slaves and children became slaves.

[system]

[quote]squating_bear wrote:
There is most likely a bunch of them which hate Israel. How big that bunch is - I can’t say.
There is most likely a bunch less of them which hate Jews as a race. How much smaller that bunch is - I can’t say
[/quote]

Hate to break it to you, but death-to-Jews is a basic hadith of islam. Here:

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews , when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)

Want head Sunni version of this:

“Read history and you will understand that the Jews of yesterday are the evil fathers of the Jews of today, who are evil offspring, infidels, distorters of [others’] words, calf-worshippers, prophet-murderers, prophecy-deniers… the scum of the human race whom Allah cursed and turned into apes and pigs.”

(Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais is the leading imam of the Grand mosque located in the Islamic holy city of Mecca, Saudi Arabia)

How about Egyptian Salafi islamic scholar Muhammad Hussein Yacoub:

“We must believe that our fighting with the Jews is eternal, and it will not end until the final battle…You must believe that we will fight, defeat, and annihilate them, until not a single Jew remains on the face of the Earth…As for you Jews â?? the curse of Allah upon you. The curse of Allah upon you, whose ancestors were apes and pigs. You Jews have sown hatred in our hearts, and we have bequeathed it to our children and grandchildren. You will not survive as long as a single one of us remains…Oh Jews, may the curse of Allah be upon you. Oh Jews… Oh Allah, bring Your wrath, punishment, and torment down upon them. Allah, we pray that you transform them again, and make the Muslims rejoice again in seeing them as apes and pigs. You pigs of the earth! You pigs of the earth!”

Etc. I could fill pages.