Ahmadinejad: 'Annihilate Israel'

[quote]Sloth wrote:
“The Islamic umma (community) will not allow its historic enemy to live in its heartland,” he said."

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This lie that Iran is “anti-zionist” and not anti-Jew is transparent bullshit.

Death to Jews is a fundemental tenant of Islam, of any kind:

This is from a preacher in Pakistan. “When the Jews are wiped out … the sun of peace [will] begin to rise on the entire world.” The same preaching is routinely done not only by clerics, but by politicians – in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and elsewhere.

In fact, it reminds me of a class I took at the Army War College (yes, “War College”) post 9/11, but pre-PCification of Army teaching re: Islam. One of the days was “Do Muslims really desire the destruction of all Jews? If so, why?”

The panel discussion was primarily pretty dry historians, but included a number of noted theologians, including ex-muslims and secular or cultural muslims.

Long story short, is “yes, they want the Jews dead.” It is at the heart of Islamic theology that world peace will be established only when all the Jews are wiped from the Earth.

Muslims defend Jew-hatred by claiming that Jews betrayed Mohammed and thus deserve
death.

So, why this obsession?

Briefly, Mohammend wanted to create a religion (or perhaps thought he was the messiah).

He was rejected by his own tribe in Mecca (the Quraish), so turned to the Jews in Medina, who let him live in their town.

They got along swell for a while. So, at first, the koran is filled with all this lovey-dovey stuff about Jews. But the Jews rejected him when he proclaimed himself messiah.

When they rejected him, Mohammed simply and completely flipped.

The Quran changed from love to threats and then pure hatred, cursing, and commandments to kill Jews. Like Martin Luther (who attempted to convert Jews to Roman Catholism and then became a vicious anti-semite and even wrote the blue print for the Nazis), the Jews became his primary obsession and focus of hatred.

To make matters worse, the Jews he was railing against were widely respected traders and craftsmen, and quite wealthy. Respected members of arabia. Mo, in contrast, was a brigand who made money robbing people.

In short, the Jews made him look bad. And Mohammed was extremely envious.

So he killed the Jews in Medina. Everyone. Including little kids. All documented in the koran. Basic, senseless, slaughter to get “revenge” and steal their stuff.

This slaughter was not well-received by his own tribe or others, so Mo set out to justify his actions.

In fact, it is obvious to a modern, secular, reader of the koran that Mohammad was a tormented man after the slaughter. (The pyschologist had line-by-line comparisons to Mo and John Wayne Gacy’s writings, showing the parallel justifications for murder.)

Anyway, to summarize a the pyschologist, nuts like other people around them who share the same fantasy. To reduce his torment, he needed everyone around him, as well as future generations, to kill Jews. So he never stopped Jew hatred. In fact, on his deathbed, Mohammed (who had allegedly been poisoned by Jew) ordered Muslims to kill Jews wherever they found them, as a “holy commandment” that, if fulfilled, would grant them untold glory.

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In sum, given that the muslim religion is unambiguous regarding the order to murder Jews, sophistry to claim Amadinajad means anything other than murder is well, a big lie, told often.

Interesting, thanks thirdruffian

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
He added: "Anyone who loves freedom and justice must strive for the annihilation of the Zionist regime in order to pave the way for world justice and freedom

Cant be a good Catholic without at least some reading comprehension with all the encyclicas and such.

Then, selective reading of course also helps.

I am sitting on the fence on this issue. [/quote]

Yes, the title comes from the last paragraph:

You mean the speech where he also did not call for any kind of physical annihilation?

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I’m not sure how you’d not call for any kind of physical annihilation and still call for something to be wiped off the page of time? How does that work?[/quote]

When you learned the tooth fairy was made up was there blood?
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I didn’t have the tooth fairy.

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Interesting, thanks thirdruffian[/quote]
Just a heads up - that was off the charts BS

Very interesting they taught him that tho

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
So he killed the Jews in Medina. Everyone. Including little kids. All documented in the koran. Basic, senseless, slaughter to get “revenge” and steal their stuff.
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you mind to post up where the Quran documents this?

Quran doesn’t document Muslims senselessly slaughtering people for revenge and theft… you sure they actually taught you that? Cuz that doesn’t even make much sense - you sure your memory isn’t foggy on this?

But the Bear is not going to deny that the Shia’s won’t rest until every Jew is dead? Quranic justification or not.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
But the Bear is not going to deny that the Shia’s won’t rest until every Jew is dead? Quranic justification or not.[/quote]
Hmmmm… I avoid these threads for a reason. That post pulled me in because like I said - it was off the charts BS - further than just the Quran part. I highlighted that part only because it should be easiest for him to prove, if he is truthful. It also did seem to be, more or less, the heart of his post

I wouldn’t deny that you have latched onto something very real here. Nor is that my opinion.
(sometimes I’ll disagree with something without sharing my opinion - but I partially agree with you here)

I think you’re pushing it when you say “the Shia’s” - they are to large a group to treat that way

I also think you’re pushing it when you say “every Jew”

I don’t trust the media here to get it anywhere close to correct. I don’t have a firm enough foundation to have even constructed much of an opinion on these topics (Shias, Iran, Palestine). However, I don’t require much foundation to deny the propagandistic language of your post.

Some will read that as me shooting down hardcore propaganda, and others will read that as me semantically dodging your question. They are both probably right - lemme fix that

There is most likely a bunch of them which hate Israel. How big that bunch is - I can’t say.
There is most likely a bunch less of them which hate Jews as a race. How much smaller that bunch is - I can’t say

Ah, damn. I don’t think that fixed it. Maybe you can understand why I just avoid the topics tho

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
He added: "Anyone who loves freedom and justice must strive for the annihilation of the Zionist regime in order to pave the way for world justice and freedom

Cant be a good Catholic without at least some reading comprehension with all the encyclicas and such.

Then, selective reading of course also helps.

I am sitting on the fence on this issue. [/quote]

Yes, the title comes from the last paragraph:

You mean the speech where he also did not call for any kind of physical annihilation?

[/quote]

I’m not sure how you’d not call for any kind of physical annihilation and still call for something to be wiped off the page of time? How does that work?[/quote]

When you learned the tooth fairy was made up was there blood?
[/quote]

I didn’t have the tooth fairy. [/quote]

Well done on not refuting his point, jackass.

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
He added: "Anyone who loves freedom and justice must strive for the annihilation of the Zionist regime in order to pave the way for world justice and freedom

Cant be a good Catholic without at least some reading comprehension with all the encyclicas and such.

Then, selective reading of course also helps.

I am sitting on the fence on this issue. [/quote]

Yes, the title comes from the last paragraph:

You mean the speech where he also did not call for any kind of physical annihilation?

[/quote]

I’m not sure how you’d not call for any kind of physical annihilation and still call for something to be wiped off the page of time? How does that work?[/quote]

When you learned the tooth fairy was made up was there blood?
[/quote]

I didn’t have the tooth fairy. [/quote]

Well done on not refuting his point, jackass.[/quote]

Sorry, I didn’t see his point. I still don’t. Can someone explain?

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Sorry, I didn’t see his point. I still don’t. Can someone explain?[/quote]

You see his point just fine, yet you choose to feign ignorance of the fucking tooth fairy just to avoid the actual argument.

Pathetic.

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Sorry, I didn’t see his point. I still don’t. Can someone explain?[/quote]

You see his point just fine, yet you choose to feign ignorance of the fucking tooth fairy just to avoid the actual argument.

Pathetic.[/quote]

You’re trying too hard. Tough talker doesn’t suit you at all. You’re Mak. Just Mak.

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Sorry, I didn’t see his point. I still don’t. Can someone explain?[/quote]

You see his point just fine, yet you choose to feign ignorance of the fucking tooth fairy just to avoid the actual argument.

Pathetic.[/quote]

You’re trying too hard. Tough talker doesn’t suit you at all. You’re Mak. Just Mak.[/quote]

Idiot doesn’t suit you, but you carry on anyway.

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Sorry, I didn’t see his point. I still don’t. Can someone explain?[/quote]

You see his point just fine, yet you choose to feign ignorance of the fucking tooth fairy just to avoid the actual argument.

Pathetic.[/quote]

You’re trying too hard. Tough talker doesn’t suit you at all. You’re Mak. Just Mak.[/quote]

Idiot doesn’t suit you, but you carry on anyway.[/quote]

Makkie, you’re so adorable when you’re mad! Like a kitten during bath time! I bet you’re making a pouty face!

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Sorry, I didn’t see his point. I still don’t. Can someone explain?[/quote]

You see his point just fine, yet you choose to feign ignorance of the fucking tooth fairy just to avoid the actual argument.

Pathetic.[/quote]

You’re trying too hard. Tough talker doesn’t suit you at all. You’re Mak. Just Mak.[/quote]

Idiot doesn’t suit you, but you carry on anyway.[/quote]

Makkie, you’re so adorable when you’re mad!
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And you’re adorable when you try to pretend you’re smart, what’s your point?

Or… as usual, you have no point and you just trying to derail this thread like you do to so many others?

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Sorry, I didn’t see his point. I still don’t. Can someone explain?[/quote]

You see his point just fine, yet you choose to feign ignorance of the fucking tooth fairy just to avoid the actual argument.

Pathetic.[/quote]

You’re trying too hard. Tough talker doesn’t suit you at all. You’re Mak. Just Mak.[/quote]

Idiot doesn’t suit you, but you carry on anyway.[/quote]

Makkie, you’re so adorable when you’re mad!
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And you’re adorable when you try to pretend you’re smart, what’s your point?

Or… as usual, you have no point and you just trying to derail this thread like you do to so many others?[/quote]

I’m sorry, did I derail your derail (nothing but an insult), in this thread? Did I step on lil’ fellar’s toes a bit? Aww, I’m so sorry. Who’s slothie’s lil buddy? You are! You are!

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m sorry, did I derail your derail (nothing but an insult), in this thread? Did I step on lil’ fellars toes a bit?[/quote]

I addressed something relevant to the thread (Chris intentionally playing dumb), you came along and tried to throw your poo around as you are prone to do.

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m sorry, did I derail your derail (nothing but an insult), in this thread? Did I step on lil’ fellars toes a bit?[/quote]

I addressed something relevant to the thread (Chris intentionally playing dumb), you came along and tried to throw your poo around as you are prone to do.[/quote]

Well, If you weren’t stoned out of your mind, you’d have noticed that I’ve been part of this thread from the beginning. But that kind of attention span would require sobriety, unfortunately.

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m sorry, did I derail your derail (nothing but an insult), in this thread? Did I step on lil’ fellars toes a bit?[/quote]

I addressed something relevant to the thread (Chris intentionally playing dumb), you came along and tried to throw your poo around as you are prone to do.[/quote]

Well, If you weren’t stoned out of your mind, you’d have noticed that I’ve been part of this thread from the beginning. But that kind of attention span would require sobriety, unfortunately.[/quote]

If you could read, you would see I haven’t actually said you only just joined the thread.

Either you’re bored and have the attention span of the typical American, or you think you’re on the losing side and want to scuttle the ship.

A little sad really.

Mak, just go play tough talker somewhere else, seriously now. You doing it is friggen laughable. BC is 10x the intellect and man you could hope to be. He’ll leave a hell of a lot more lives changed for the better than you. Unless you consider keeping your dope man employed a contribution.

Edit: Seriously, there isn’t a more dishonest and intellectually bankrupt poster on this forum. At least you managed to call up enough of an attention span to bang out more than a sentence. Hyper tonight?

[quote]Makavali wrote:

If you could read, you would see I haven’t actually said you only just joined the thread.

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No, Makkie, you only acted as if I just happened to “come along.” Well, no. I started on page one. Discussed, argued, and even posted a link and excerpt. You know, was a part of, and actually added to the discussion. Actually participated in the discussion/debate. You know? Nah, what am I thinking? You wouldn’t.