Affirmative action is alive and kicking at my med school. That should make you scared.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
tom63 wrote:
My biggest powerball fantasy is to go back to school at 45 years old, donate a few million to PSU, my old school. and wreak havoc with my old first amendment rights. A nice annuity to the University that I could pull at any time would make some hilarious times.
Who do you think you are? Rodney Dangerfield?[/quote]
He was a great role model in that movie, hahaha! Seriously, I would love to challenge a liberal college professor professionally in his class and when they want to shut me up hire a lawyer that would safeguard my 1st amendment rights and also threaten to withdraw those nice donations I make.
I would be as useful as a college professor in the humanities I could sit back on my ass pontificate and not worry about consequences because I have cash. Just like they do with tenure.
Financing some right wing newspapers would also be a blast. Pay for some speakers, and genrally have a great ole time.
I doubt it would work.
“Diversity,” “dissent,” “freedom of expression,” and so forth are not intended, for the modern liberal, to include ideas disagreeing with theirs or persons disagreeing with them.
I doubt that a university with a billion dollar overall endowment would tolerate what you describe for a mere few million.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
tom63 wrote:
My biggest powerball fantasy is to go back to school at 45 years old, donate a few million to PSU, my old school. and wreak havoc with my old first amendment rights. A nice annuity to the University that I could pull at any time would make some hilarious times.
Who do you think you are? Rodney Dangerfield?
He was a great role model in that movie, hahaha! Seriously, I would love to challenge a liberal college professor professionally in his class and when they want to shut me up hire a lawyer that would safeguard my 1st amendment rights and also threaten to withdraw those nice donations I make.
I would be as useful as a college professor in the humanities I could sit back on my ass pontificate and not worry about consequences because I have cash. Just like they do with tenure.
Financing some right wing newspapers would also be a blast. Pay for some speakers, and genrally have a great ole time.
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I love it when people use horrific grammar and spelling to complain about institutions of higher education. This never fails to crack me up.
It is even funnier when the OP claims that posting should not be subject to grammar or typo checks.
jnd
[quote]Makavali wrote:
UB07 wrote:
Majors like engineering draw the most funds per student due to equipment, high faculty pay, etc. Why do you attack Black Studies? My alma mater offers Asian studies, Arab studies, gender studies, Japanese studies, Judaic studies, Latin studies and so on. You fail to mention these.
I fail to how such studies are beneficial at all let alone ‘Black Studies’. What exactly do you learn? How many graduates of such courses get related jobs?
Seriously, I want to know.[/quote]
Translating. Advisers, PR, HR and specialty consultants who work for multinational corporations, NGOs, governement, foundations ect working in other countries. Thats off the top of my head, im sure if you asked someone in a department like that they could tell you more.
but those examples also then to narrow into specific asian studies, African studies, where theres a lot of cultural norms that are much different than anglo ones.
for black studies, im sure its all in NGO and private foundation work is where the money is at, the rest are probably just jobs that ask for a college degree, government positions ect. But yea id say something like that is on par with a psychology degree.
some of you guys are not thinking your posts through on this one.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I doubt it would work.
“Diversity,” “dissent,” “freedom of expression,” and so forth are not intended, for the modern liberal, to include ideas disagreeing with theirs or persons disagreeing with them.
I doubt that a university with a billion dollar overall endowment would tolerate what you describe for a mere few million.[/quote]
I don’t know if PSU has a billion dollar endowment, though I’m not sure. you sure could raise some hell and get some neat publicity.
If you mean Penn State, they do.
Or at least were above that relatively recently.
[quote]jnd wrote:
I love it when people use horrific grammar and spelling to complain about institutions of higher education. This never fails to crack me up.
jnd[/quote]
why? some people go to school to make money, not to get an english major. I guarentee you I am one of the worst on this board when it comes to spelling and grammer. I would bet I am near the top in income. Not trying to brag, just pointing out that spelling and grammer are no where near the top of the most usefull skills. There are whole shit load of successful people that don’t even speak the language.
I use my mental capacity for more practicle purposes like logic and reason. You should set some gray matter aside for it as well.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
this is not surprising at all. acedemia was one of the last vestages of racism and they will be the last vestages of affirmative action.
the free market could never get away with this. Not becuase of any outside critisism but becuase they would go out of business.
Only non competitive enterprises like the acedemia, municiple utilities, and pre-deregulated telecom companies could afford to discriminate. It works just as well for them in the reverse.[/quote]
LOL. yeah the free market could NEVER get away with discrimination
this place is a madhouse. honestly.
Aleksandr your posts are good but I’m betting they’ll just be ignored. Noone wants to confront the fact that discrimination still exists today and that part of the dismal performance of American Blacks is due to past and current discrimination. They like to feel good about themselves and their favorite chosen minority so they ignore the facts. This place is sad.
So what is the solution? That’s what I want to ask? Balkanize and kill eachother? Because it seems that that’s what everyone secretly wants to do.
[quote]valiance. wrote:
dhickey wrote:
this is not surprising at all. acedemia was one of the last vestages of racism and they will be the last vestages of affirmative action.
the free market could never get away with this. Not becuase of any outside critisism but becuase they would go out of business.
Only non competitive enterprises like the acedemia, municiple utilities, and pre-deregulated telecom companies could afford to discriminate. It works just as well for them in the reverse.
LOL. yeah the free market could NEVER get away with discrimination
this place is a madhouse. honestly.
Aleksandr your posts are good but I’m betting they’ll just be ignored. Noone wants to confront the fact that discrimination still exists today and that part of the dismal performance of American Blacks is due to past and current discrimination. They like to feel good about themselves and their favorite chosen minority so they ignore the facts. This place is sad.[/quote]
A lot of it has to do with established lower IQ scores for black people. I know its not PC but genetically based IQ score testing has shown that black people ON AVERAGE have lower IQ scores than east Asians and whites and that culture-nurture WAS IRRELEVANT. The difference between average IQ of whites and blacks has remained constant for as long as the tests have been given despite a decline in the difference between living standards between groups.
Since humans will always look down on those of a lower socio-economic status than themselves, and black people ON AVERAGE will be in positions requiring lower IQ scores, discrimination will occur. ‘The poor we shall always have with us’.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
jnd wrote:
I love it when people use horrific grammar and spelling to complain about institutions of higher education. This never fails to crack me up.
jnd
why? some people go to school to make money, not to get an english major. I guarentee you I am one of the worst on this board when it comes to spelling and grammer. I would bet I am near the top in income. Not trying to brag, just pointing out that spelling and grammer are no where near the top of the most usefull skills. There are whole shit load of successful people that don’t even speak the language.
I use my mental capacity for more practicle purposes like logic and reason. You should set some gray matter aside for it as well.
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Thanks for proving my point. That did not take long at all.
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I am pleased that you are successful. Perhaps you would be even MORE successful, if you were “one of the worst on this board when it comes to spelling and grammer.” Imagine all of those extra dollars that are lost…
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So - using logic and reason is impossible for people with decent grammar and spelling skills?
jnd
I love this board. Don’t ever change guys!
[quote]valiance. wrote:
dhickey wrote:
this is not surprising at all. acedemia was one of the last vestages of racism and they will be the last vestages of affirmative action.
the free market could never get away with this. Not becuase of any outside critisism but becuase they would go out of business.
Only non competitive enterprises like the acedemia, municiple utilities, and pre-deregulated telecom companies could afford to discriminate. It works just as well for them in the reverse.
LOL. yeah the free market could NEVER get away with discrimination
this place is a madhouse. honestly.
Aleksandr your posts are good but I’m betting they’ll just be ignored. Noone wants to confront the fact that discrimination still exists today and that part of the dismal performance of American Blacks is due to past and current discrimination. They like to feel good about themselves and their favorite chosen minority so they ignore the facts. This place is sad.[/quote]
“LOL”? way to add to the argument. If you are just going to troll why don’t you head over to OT or SAMA where these kinds of posts are the norm. this board is for actually discourse.
[quote]jnd wrote:
dhickey wrote:
jnd wrote:
I love it when people use horrific grammar and spelling to complain about institutions of higher education. This never fails to crack me up.
jnd
why? some people go to school to make money, not to get an english major. I guarentee you I am one of the worst on this board when it comes to spelling and grammer. I would bet I am near the top in income. Not trying to brag, just pointing out that spelling and grammer are no where near the top of the most usefull skills. There are whole shit load of successful people that don’t even speak the language.
I use my mental capacity for more practicle purposes like logic and reason. You should set some gray matter aside for it as well.
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Thanks for proving my point. That did not take long at all.
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I am pleased that you are successful. Perhaps you would be even MORE successful, if you were “one of the worst on this board when it comes to spelling and grammer.” Imagine all of those extra dollars that are lost…
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So - using logic and reason is impossible for people with decent grammar and spelling skills?
jnd[/quote]
I am leaving no money on the table. There is a whole world out there that doesn’t speak english well if at all. Great logic. Evidently you don’t have room for reason and english.
Well, anyway, back to the main topic:
I am judging only from personal experience at one university and from what I’ve picked up from other scientists or other individuals with, shall we say, factual-based degrees.
But I don’t think you’ll find a problem with chemistry departments, physics departments, engineering departments, mathematics departments etc hiring incompetent professors under affirmative action or any type of racial preference.
Where you see this is in degree programs that are either crap anyway, or just about totally opinion-based.
So who cares if those students that want to get a degree in Clay Pottery or Nihilistic Expressionist Art and so forth have professors hired for them who are incompetent? What does it matter?
The only objection I have to it is if tax dollars are involved (which unfortunately often is the case) but even then it is no worse than any other government boondoggle.
Now if it was stopping students who actually wanted to learn something real and useful from doing so, that would be another matter.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Well, anyway, back to the main topic:
I am judging only from personal experience at one university and from what I’ve picked up from other scientists or other individuals with, shall we say, factual-based degrees.
But I don’t think you’ll find a problem with chemistry departments, physics departments, engineering departments, mathematics departments etc hiring incompetent professors under affirmative action or any type of racial preference.
Where you see this is in degree programs that are either crap anyway, or just about totally opinion-based.
So who cares if those students that want to get a degree in Clay Pottery or Nihilistic Expressionist Art and so forth have professors hired for them who are incompetent? What does it matter?
The only objection I have to it is if tax dollars are involved (which unfortunately often is the case) but even then it is no worse than any other government boondoggle.
Now if it was stopping students who actually wanted to learn something real and useful from doing so, that would be another matter.[/quote]
2 + 2 can’t equal 5 in math, physics, or chem departments. It CAN equal 5 in those other crapola departments. “Have you forgotten about doublethink?” (1984)
Professor Linda Gottfredson has written about this extensively.
Gottfredson, L. S. (2005). Implications of cognitive differences for schooling within diverse societies. Pages 517-554 in C. L. Frisby & C. R. Reynolds (Eds.), Comprehensive Handbook of Multicultural School Psychology. New York: Wiley.
Gottfredson, L. S. (2000). Skills gaps, not tests, make racial proportionality impossible. Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, 6(1), 129-143.