Affirmative Action in Academia

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Do you think hiring teachers/profs who tell black and hispanic students that they are being crushed by the white man is intelligent?[/quote]

This thread makes me think of my anthropology class I took this semester. I couldn’t help but notice that this class, and the professor, clearly had some sort of agenda. At almost every lecture we got an hour and fifteen minutes of how whites are responsible for every thing that is wrong in the world.

I had to write a paper about affirmative action here in Michigan, and the vote in 2006 to ban AA. I thought I wrote a pretty damn good argument about why it is an unfair, extreme, and racist practice that technically tells minoritites that they are inferior. I got 40 out of 50 points, and a couple of sentences in red criticizing my opinion. What really pissed me off was that on the day the paper was due, I overheard many of the students bragging about how they “copied and pasted” everything in their paper. These same students all got 50 points…

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I’m not sure what this comment is supposed to mean. I used to work in auto repair and I’ve known well-trained mechanics and technicians that make in excess of $80,000 dollars a year. And it takes a hell of a lot of thinking to diagnose a problem and apply a repair. Contrary to what it seems a lot of people think there aren’t very many algorithms for that kind of work.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Amazing how a race that is clearly a minority get special treatment based on such.

The problem is PC gone mad.

Unfortunately, racism necessitates AA. When people start looking at things in terms of pure competence, then things will be better.

But that won’t happen any time soon, will it?[/quote]

It’s actually a big part of what I research. We’ve developed some pretty good selection and ppraisal systems, but most managers don’t know anything about them. It turns out managers don’t read journals, academics and rewarded for publishing in trade magazines, and consultants are more concerned with making money than advancing science/making th world a better place.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Do you think hiring teachers/profs who tell black and hispanic students that they are being crushed by the white man is intelligent? How about saying: 'Technology is making it impossible to earn a decent living with mere physical prowess. The days of tweaking a bolt on a Caddy are over. You will only be rewarded for thinking.[/quote]

If employers will actively discriminate against them in the job market, the value obtained from increasing competence is less than it is for whites. Basic micro-economics informs us that as demand is reduced, there will be a supply-side reaction. This is one of the reasons I promote targeted recruitment. Telling kids to get trained so that they can be unemployed is stupid (and this is in fact what happens; studies have found that discrimination in hiring results in longer periods of unemployment, lower compensation, and increased chronic unemployment). But when they start to see companies actually trying to recruit them, provided they are sufficiently competent, things might actually change.

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No doubt you will encounter racism. But look at the Japanese and Koreans. The white man has little love for them and they are (the Japanese) the highest income group in America. Why? By dropping out of high achool? By having lots of kids out of wedlock? By dressing like a slob in public? Change your ways, or stay in poverty.’

Instead, we get hate-filled ranters and paranoids who hunt for racism everywhere.[/quote]

I think you should worry less about what black people are doing, and worry more about yourself. Believe it or not, blacks are not a monolithic group. Your implicit argument to the contrary (implicit whenever you say “they should…”) is unrealistic, and I really think you should reconsider it.

Also, the comparison of immigration success of different ethnic groups in the US is not very informative, because there is a huge cohort effect. Different ethnicities have moved to the US en masse at different times in US history. The types of people that moved during each period vary, as do the economic conditions and general public sentiment at the time. These produce huge confounds that make any firm conclusions impossible.

Finally, your visceral reaction to call any mention of racism “paranoid” is not very well founded. The truth is, most people in the US share your negative stereotypes about Blacks, but to varying degrees. Interestingly, these negative implicit attitudes have all sorts of interesting effects, from predicting prejudicial selection decisions between identically qualified applicants, to actually temporarily suppressing the performance of stigmatized groups in standardized evaluations. Note that in your post, you describe what “black people do”, and your description stigmatizes the group. Your attitudes would make it relatively more difficult for black students to do well in your class.

There’s a lot more going on that you know about. Rather than actually trying to learn, you seem more interested in advancing your position. This is particularly unfortunate, because your position does not seem to be substantiated by any empirical data. moreover, by pretending that stigmatization does not exist, you are interfering with the development of good solutions to the problem. In the absence of good solutions, we end up with poorly thought out ideas like preferential hiring practices.

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[quote]Wimpy wrote:
Headhunter wrote: How about saying: 'Technology is making it impossible to earn a decent living with mere physical prowess. The days of tweaking a bolt on a Caddy are over. You will only be rewarded for thinking.

I’m not sure what this comment is supposed to mean. I used to work in auto repair and I’ve known well-trained mechanics and technicians that make in excess of $80,000 dollars a year. And it takes a hell of a lot of thinking to diagnose a problem and apply a repair. Contrary to what it seems a lot of people think there aren’t very many algorithms for that kind of work. [/quote]

You understand the point entirely. No one can make a decent living anymore without THINKING. Yet the national high school grad rate for black kids is below 50%. They blame white society and rave about racism; they scapegoat ‘racist whitey’ because many black people live in poverty — yet most have no education. Sorry, black community, but you MUST get a decent education and blaming whitey for your poverty is wasted energy.

If an employer can hire someone in China for 5$ a day to do labor, why should he hire someone here for 20$ an hour?

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[quote]Aleksandr wrote:

There’s a lot more going on that you know about. Rather than actually trying to learn, you seem more interested in advancing your position. This is particularly unfortunate, because your position does not seem to be substantiated by any empirical data. moreover, by pretending that stigmatization does not exist, you are interfering with the development of good solutions to the problem. In the absence of good solutions, we end up with poorly thought out ideas like preferential hiring practices.[/quote]

Based upon your bleating ‘retard’ refrain, I’m almost tempted to think you cut and pasted this from somewhere. Anyway…

Fact: Black kids graduate from hs at absymally low %s.

Fact: 70 to 80% of black kids are born out of wedlock.

Fact: China now does our physical jobs for us.

The solution to all this has been to teach black kids that they are the victims of evil oppressors…to teach them that the system is designed to thwart them…to teach them to riot if some jury verdict goes against them…to teach them hate…to teach them to reject middle class values.

All of this, courtesy of Affirmative Action…

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:

There’s a lot more going on that you know about. Rather than actually trying to learn, you seem more interested in advancing your position. This is particularly unfortunate, because your position does not seem to be substantiated by any empirical data. moreover, by pretending that stigmatization does not exist, you are interfering with the development of good solutions to the problem. In the absence of good solutions, we end up with poorly thought out ideas like preferential hiring practices.

Based upon your bleating ‘retard’ refrain, I’m almost tempted to think you cut and pasted this from somewhere. Anyway…

Fact: Black kids graduate from hs at absymally low %s.

Fact: 70 to 80% of black kids are born out of wedlock.

Fact: China now does our physical jobs for us.

The solution to all this has been to teach black kids that they are the victims of evil oppressors…to teach them that the system is designed to thwart them…to teach them to riot if some jury verdict goes against them…to teach them hate…to teach them to reject middle class values.

All of this, courtesy of Affirmative Action…

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Me be confused.

A healthy feeling of distrust towards ones government and a lack of respect for it are civic virtues of the highest order.

If you are right Affirmative Action has done some good.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:

There’s a lot more going on that you know about. Rather than actually trying to learn, you seem more interested in advancing your position. This is particularly unfortunate, because your position does not seem to be substantiated by any empirical data. moreover, by pretending that stigmatization does not exist, you are interfering with the development of good solutions to the problem. In the absence of good solutions, we end up with poorly thought out ideas like preferential hiring practices.

Based upon your bleating ‘retard’ refrain, I’m almost tempted to think you cut and pasted this from somewhere. Anyway…

Fact: Black kids graduate from hs at absymally low %s.

Fact: 70 to 80% of black kids are born out of wedlock.

Fact: China now does our physical jobs for us.

The solution to all this has been to teach black kids that they are the victims of evil oppressors…to teach them that the system is designed to thwart them…to teach them to riot if some jury verdict goes against them…to teach them hate…to teach them to reject middle class values.

All of this, courtesy of Affirmative Action…

Me be confused.

A healthy feeling of distrust towards ones government and a lack of respect for it are civic virtues of the highest order.

If you are right Affirmative Action has done some good.

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The point is that the kids are being taught to be victims, to scapegoat someone else. Doesn’t this sound a lot like what Herr Schicklegruber did in post-WWI Deutschland?

Our high schools are pathetic over here, but a person has to start somewhere. They have to graduate, then acquire a meaningful education such as engineering, law, dentistry, and so on. Black people who do, like Prof X, show clearly the way to go (he, btw, belies his own ‘America is racist’ argument, by being an oral surgeon.)

A black person with a Masters Degree in some valuable field (NOT Women’s Studies or Black Studies or other BS like that) who marries and dresses intelligently may encounter some racism, but they’re a lot more likely to overcome it with INTELLIGENCE and EDUCATION.

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I think afirmative action is insulting to people of color. It is like saying that they are not smart enough, as a group, to make it on their own merits, and need special treatment to get to the same level as white people.

If someone should to go to college and wants to, they will find a way. There are many opportunities and such.
I thought that people in the academic field were supposed to not be racist bastards, and that race should be a non-issue for them.
Anyways, I think it is TV’s fault, that racist bastard.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
“In higher education, affirmative action has led to the hiring of incompetent, often openly racist black and Hispanic professors. It has further led to the creation of entire disciplines �?? black, women�??s, Hispanic and gay studies �?? exist in order to generate propaganda rationalizing affirmative action, and for the sake of hiring incompetent hate mongers.”

http://www.globalpolitician.com/24559-affirmative-action

"Since minorities were having trouble passing, the English Department chairwoman, Dr. Catarina Edinger, eliminated the NJBST altogether, expanded the time allotted for the essay exam from 20 to 75 minutes, gutted essay grading standards, and overrode instructors who failed minority students.

Most of one such 75-minute final essay, from 1994, follows.

My father is the one person who I can truly say has helped me through school and work and just life in general, he has helped me to learn how to wash my clothes by showing me in detail from what Detergent to use Down to how long it will take them to Dry, and when ever I had trouble with school work he allways sat down and showed me what I was doing wrong and then showed me the right way and made me pratice it many times over, for example when the time I didn�??t know how to Do frations he showed me how to do them and then tested me on them. There was a nother time when my father tought me how to Lift weightfirst he bought a weight set then we started from the brench press to the squat, he tought me ever thing I know�?�.

Rather than sanctioning WPC, in 1997 the State of New Jersey rewarded WPC officials for their fraud by promoting the school to university status."

As an example of this right here on T-Nation is Aleksander, who probably misspelled his avatar. I’ve shown him to be a race-baiter, paranoid, a liar, and a hypocrite. He apparently teaches in Canada, so pity those poor unfortunates. He also appears to be about as bright as a steaming pile of dog shit.

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There were crazy liberal white professors spouting shit for many years before they stopped being openly racist. So now you are blaming Affirmative Action for allowing liberal minorities to be part of the faculty as well?

Come on bro, nothing has changed other than now the college faculty doesn’t look like your lily-white neighborhood!

Don’t get me wrong, I believe that Affirmative Action has run it’s course and should now be removed, but saying that it has allowed more liberals to become college teachers is just stupid.

Now if you are saying that Academia favors liberals and uses Affirmative Action to get more liberals in teaching positions at the expense of conservatives, I would agree with that. But race has nothing to do with it.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
“In higher education, affirmative action has led to the hiring of incompetent, often openly racist black and Hispanic professors. It has further led to the creation of entire disciplines �?? black, women�??s, Hispanic and gay studies �?? exist in order to generate propaganda rationalizing affirmative action, and for the sake of hiring incompetent hate mongers.”

http://www.globalpolitician.com/24559-affirmative-action

"Since minorities were having trouble passing, the English Department chairwoman, Dr. Catarina Edinger, eliminated the NJBST altogether, expanded the time allotted for the essay exam from 20 to 75 minutes, gutted essay grading standards, and overrode instructors who failed minority students.

Most of one such 75-minute final essay, from 1994, follows.

My father is the one person who I can truly say has helped me through school and work and just life in general, he has helped me to learn how to wash my clothes by showing me in detail from what Detergent to use Down to how long it will take them to Dry, and when ever I had trouble with school work he allways sat down and showed me what I was doing wrong and then showed me the right way and made me pratice it many times over, for example when the time I didn�??t know how to Do frations he showed me how to do them and then tested me on them. There was a nother time when my father tought me how to Lift weightfirst he bought a weight set then we started from the brench press to the squat, he tought me ever thing I know�?�.

Rather than sanctioning WPC, in 1997 the State of New Jersey rewarded WPC officials for their fraud by promoting the school to university status."

As an example of this right here on T-Nation is Aleksander, who probably misspelled his avatar. I’ve shown him to be a race-baiter, paranoid, a liar, and a hypocrite. He apparently teaches in Canada, so pity those poor unfortunates. He also appears to be about as bright as a steaming pile of dog shit.

There were crazy liberal white professors spouting shit for many years before they stopped being openly racist. So now you are blaming Affirmative Action for allowing liberal minorities to be part of the faculty as well?

Come on bro, nothing has changed other than now the college faculty doesn’t look like your lily-white neighborhood!

Don’t get me wrong, I believe that Affirmative Action has run it’s course and should now be removed, but saying that it has allowed more liberals to become college teachers is just stupid.

Now if you are saying that Academia favors liberals and uses Affirmative Action to get more liberals in teaching positions at the expense of conservatives, I would agree with that. But race has nothing to do with it.

[/quote]

Tell this to the idiots who invented Black Studies departments.

Math departments have to compete with insanities like this for funds. Wow!

The goal was to create more racism with all this stupid shit. If a black person wanted to be in academia, they used to have to get a Phd in Physics or English…now it can be in ‘How Whitey Holds Us Down’ studies.

Jeez…who hijacked your account?

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"Math departments have to compete with insanities like this for funds. Wow! "

how do you figure? each department gets students who pay tuition (unless you want to contend that all blacks are on scholarships). Private universities charge tuitions that are not subsidized much, if at all.

So public schools, which are partially subsidized, are what you are referring to. Is this correct?

Majors like engineering draw the most funds per student due to equipment, high faculty pay, etc. Why do you attack Black Studies? My alma mater offers Asian studies, Arab studies, gender studies, Japanese studies, Judaic studies, Latin studies and so on. You fail to mention these.

Finally, what do unwed mothers have to do with anything?

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[quote]UB07 wrote:

Majors like engineering draw the most funds per student due to equipment, high faculty pay, etc. Why do you attack Black Studies? My alma mater offers Asian studies, Arab studies, gender studies, Japanese studies, Judaic studies, Latin studies and so on. You fail to mention these.[/quote]

I fail to how such studies are beneficial at all let alone ‘Black Studies’. What exactly do you learn? How many graduates of such courses get related jobs?

Seriously, I want to know.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
“In higher education, affirmative action has led to the hiring of incompetent, often openly racist black and Hispanic professors. It has further led to the creation of entire disciplines �?? black, women�??s, Hispanic and gay studies �?? exist in order to generate propaganda rationalizing affirmative action, and for the sake of hiring incompetent hate mongers.”

http://www.globalpolitician.com/24559-affirmative-action

"Since minorities were having trouble passing, the English Department chairwoman, Dr. Catarina Edinger, eliminated the NJBST altogether, expanded the time allotted for the essay exam from 20 to 75 minutes, gutted essay grading standards, and overrode instructors who failed minority students.

Most of one such 75-minute final essay, from 1994, follows.

My father is the one person who I can truly say has helped me through school and work and just life in general, he has helped me to learn how to wash my clothes by showing me in detail from what Detergent to use Down to how long it will take them to Dry, and when ever I had trouble with school work he allways sat down and showed me what I was doing wrong and then showed me the right way and made me pratice it many times over, for example when the time I didn�??t know how to Do frations he showed me how to do them and then tested me on them. There was a nother time when my father tought me how to Lift weightfirst he bought a weight set then we started from the brench press to the squat, he tought me ever thing I know�?�.

Rather than sanctioning WPC, in 1997 the State of New Jersey rewarded WPC officials for their fraud by promoting the school to university status."

As an example of this right here on T-Nation is Aleksander, who probably misspelled his avatar. I’ve shown him to be a race-baiter, paranoid, a liar, and a hypocrite. He apparently teaches in Canada, so pity those poor unfortunates. He also appears to be about as bright as a steaming pile of dog shit.

There were crazy liberal white professors spouting shit for many years before they stopped being openly racist. So now you are blaming Affirmative Action for allowing liberal minorities to be part of the faculty as well?

Come on bro, nothing has changed other than now the college faculty doesn’t look like your lily-white neighborhood!

Don’t get me wrong, I believe that Affirmative Action has run it’s course and should now be removed, but saying that it has allowed more liberals to become college teachers is just stupid.

Now if you are saying that Academia favors liberals and uses Affirmative Action to get more liberals in teaching positions at the expense of conservatives, I would agree with that. But race has nothing to do with it.

Tell this to the idiots who invented Black Studies departments.

Math departments have to compete with insanities like this for funds. Wow!

The goal was to create more racism with all this stupid shit. If a black person wanted to be in academia, they used to have to get a Phd in Physics or English…now it can be in ‘How Whitey Holds Us Down’ studies.

Jeez…who hijacked your account?

[/quote]

Bro, what’s with all the race focus? You know that it’s about being liberal, not about race. If a white professor wanted to start a department called “Liberal studies” or “Tree hugging 101”, or “Global Warming Cow-Fart Studies” that most all colleges and Universities would be all for it. So why are black studies any different? It’s about the Liberal agenda, not about a race agenda.

Your posts are why many feel that Conservatives are racists. There are black and Latino Conservatives you know and making this a race issue just pushes them to the Lib’s.

And I don’t agree with changing or lowering the qualifications unless the current requirements are not improving the quality of education.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
“In higher education, affirmative action has led to the hiring of incompetent, often openly racist black and Hispanic professors. It has further led to the creation of entire disciplines �?? black, women�??s, Hispanic and gay studies �?? exist in order to generate propaganda rationalizing affirmative action, and for the sake of hiring incompetent hate mongers.”

http://www.globalpolitician.com/24559-affirmative-action

"Since minorities were having trouble passing, the English Department chairwoman, Dr. Catarina Edinger, eliminated the NJBST altogether, expanded the time allotted for the essay exam from 20 to 75 minutes, gutted essay grading standards, and overrode instructors who failed minority students.

Most of one such 75-minute final essay, from 1994, follows.

My father is the one person who I can truly say has helped me through school and work and just life in general, he has helped me to learn how to wash my clothes by showing me in detail from what Detergent to use Down to how long it will take them to Dry, and when ever I had trouble with school work he allways sat down and showed me what I was doing wrong and then showed me the right way and made me pratice it many times over, for example when the time I didn�??t know how to Do frations he showed me how to do them and then tested me on them. There was a nother time when my father tought me how to Lift weightfirst he bought a weight set then we started from the brench press to the squat, he tought me ever thing I know�?�.

Rather than sanctioning WPC, in 1997 the State of New Jersey rewarded WPC officials for their fraud by promoting the school to university status."

As an example of this right here on T-Nation is Aleksander, who probably misspelled his avatar. I’ve shown him to be a race-baiter, paranoid, a liar, and a hypocrite. He apparently teaches in Canada, so pity those poor unfortunates. He also appears to be about as bright as a steaming pile of dog shit.

There were crazy liberal white professors spouting shit for many years before they stopped being openly racist. So now you are blaming Affirmative Action for allowing liberal minorities to be part of the faculty as well?

Come on bro, nothing has changed other than now the college faculty doesn’t look like your lily-white neighborhood!

Don’t get me wrong, I believe that Affirmative Action has run it’s course and should now be removed, but saying that it has allowed more liberals to become college teachers is just stupid.

Now if you are saying that Academia favors liberals and uses Affirmative Action to get more liberals in teaching positions at the expense of conservatives, I would agree with that. But race has nothing to do with it.

Tell this to the idiots who invented Black Studies departments.

Math departments have to compete with insanities like this for funds. Wow!

The goal was to create more racism with all this stupid shit. If a black person wanted to be in academia, they used to have to get a Phd in Physics or English…now it can be in ‘How Whitey Holds Us Down’ studies.

Jeez…who hijacked your account?

Bro, what’s with all the race focus? You know that it’s about being liberal, not about race. If a white professor wanted to start a department called “Liberal studies” or “Tree hugging 101”, or “Global Warming Cow-Fart Studies” that most all colleges and Universities would be all for it. So why are black studies any different? It’s about the Liberal agenda, not about a race agenda.

Your posts are why many feel that Conservatives are racists. There are black and Latino Conservatives you know and making this a race issue just pushes them to the Lib’s.

And I don’t agree with changing or lowering the qualifications unless the current requirements are not improving the quality of education.

[/quote]

English and history are already Tree Hugging 101, Bush Hating 101, Republicans suck 101, and probably some other ones I cannot think of right now. I have had the plaque or something and have only eaten 3 pieces of toast and some sprite since monday at noon.

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[quote]Scrotus wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
"In higher education, affirmative action has led to the hiring of incompetent, often openly racist black and Hispanic professors. It has further led to the creation of entire disciplines �?? black, women�??s,

Hispanic and gay studies �?? exist in order to generate propaganda rationalizing affirmative action, and for the sake of hiring incompetent hate mongers."

http://www.globalpolitician.com/24559-affirmative-action

"Since minorities were having trouble passing, the English Department chairwoman, Dr. Catarina Edinger, eliminated the NJBST altogether, expanded the time allotted for the essay exam from 20 to 75 minutes, gutted essay grading standards, and overrode instructors who failed minority students.

Most of one such 75-minute final essay, from 1994, follows.

My father is the one person who I can truly say has helped me through school and work and just life in general, he has helped me to learn how to wash my clothes by showing me in detail from what Detergent to use Down to how long it will take them to Dry, and when ever I had trouble with school work he allways sat down and showed me what I was doing wrong and then showed me the right way and made me pratice it many times over, for example when the time I didn�??t know how to Do frations he showed me how to do them and then tested me on them.

There was a nother time when my father tought me how to Lift weightfirst he bought a weight set then we started from the brench press to the squat, he tought me ever thing I know�?�.

Rather than sanctioning WPC, in 1997 the State of New Jersey rewarded WPC officials for their fraud by promoting the school to university status."

As an example of this right here on T-Nation is Aleksander, who probably misspelled his avatar. I’ve shown him to be a race-baiter, paranoid, a liar, and a hypocrite. He apparently teaches in Canada, so pity those poor unfortunates. He also appears to be about as bright as a steaming pile of dog shit.

There were crazy liberal white professors spouting shit for many years before they stopped being openly racist. So now you are blaming Affirmative Action for allowing liberal minorities to be part of the faculty as well?

Come on bro, nothing has changed other than now the college faculty doesn’t look like your lily-white neighborhood!

Don’t get me wrong, I believe that Affirmative Action has run it’s course and should now be removed, but saying that it has allowed more liberals to become college teachers is just stupid.

Now if you are saying that Academia favors liberals and uses Affirmative Action to get more liberals in teaching positions at the expense of conservatives, I would agree with that. But race has nothing to do with it.

Tell this to the idiots who invented Black Studies departments.

Math departments have to compete with insanities like this for funds. Wow!

The goal was to create more racism with all this stupid shit. If a black person wanted to be in academia, they used to have to get a Phd in Physics or English…now it can be in ‘How Whitey Holds Us Down’ studies.

Jeez…who hijacked your account?

Bro, what’s with all the race focus? You know that it’s about being liberal, not about race. If a white professor wanted to start a department called “Liberal studies” or “Tree hugging 101”, or “Global Warming Cow-Fart Studies” that most all colleges and Universities would be all for it.

So why are black studies any different? It’s about the Liberal agenda, not about a race agenda.

Your posts are why many feel that Conservatives are racists. There are black and Latino Conservatives you know and making this a race issue just pushes them to the Lib’s.

And I don’t agree with changing or lowering the qualifications unless the current requirements are not improving the quality of education.

English and history are already Tree Hugging 101, Bush Hating 101, Republicans suck 101, and probably some other ones I cannot think of right now. I have had the plaque or something and have only eaten 3 pieces of toast and some sprite since monday at noon.[/quote]

Living that Crack-head life I see.

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this is not surprising at all. acedemia was one of the last vestages of racism and they will be the last vestages of affirmative action.

the free market could never get away with this. Not becuase of any outside critisism but becuase they would go out of business.

Only non competitive enterprises like the acedemia, municiple utilities, and pre-deregulated telecom companies could afford to discriminate. It works just as well for them in the reverse.

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[quote]tedro wrote:
Affirmative action is just one of many problems causing the dumbing down of American Universities. There has been a big push by universities and society in general to send more and more people to school. There is also the increased acceptance of going to community college for two years first, and the universities accepting these credits. There is now a mentality that failing students is bad, and when they fail it is the professors fault, not the students. Throw in tenured professors and the overblown emphasis on athletics and there is really a recipe for disaster.

I can’t wait until Obama wins and sends everybody to college for 4 more years of high school.

Someday people will realize that college isn’t for everybody and there is nothing wrong with not going. There are numerous respectable careers out there for high school and votech grads.

The thinking has become that going to college makes one smart and successful, when the whole time until now it was simply that successful kids go to college, and successful kids become successful adults. In other words, college doesn’t make you successful, it is for the successful.[/quote]

Couldn’t have said it better. what does a degree in hispanic studies, or black studies give you? all you can do is get a silly ass doctorate and teach a silly ass course in an university.

My biggest powerball fantasy is to go back to school at 45 years old, donate a few million to PSU, my old school. and wreak havoc with my old first amendment rights. A nice annuity to the University that I could pull at any time would make some hilarious times.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:

Couldn’t have said it better. what does a degree in hispanic studies, or black studies give you?
[/quote]

The chance to create more Obama voters.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
My biggest powerball fantasy is to go back to school at 45 years old, donate a few million to PSU, my old school. and wreak havoc with my old first amendment rights. A nice annuity to the University that I could pull at any time would make some hilarious times.

[/quote]

Who do you think you are? Rodney Dangerfield?