[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
Btw, Jay Anderson and Mrs Raven both know about this thread by now and have read everything.
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I’m not so sure they’ve seen it unless Raven told her about it. I didn’t get a T-Nation hit on google when searching for Jay just now.
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There are over 10,000 views on this thread. Considering there are only 2-3 degrees of separation between you and Kevin Bacon, I think its safe to assume he knows about the thread by now.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
She may say, ‘Oh I kissed him one time’ translation- ‘I fucked the shit out of him. But I figured out he’s really a loser and now doesn’t want to fuck up what she had with you, and doesn’t want to do the hard stuff to make it work after the fact.’
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Yep.
I hope you didn’t have to learn this, Pat, the same way I did.
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Thanks to you guys. I won’t have to.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
Btw, Jay Anderson and Mrs Raven both know about this thread by now and have read everything.
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I’m not so sure they’ve seen it unless Raven told her about it. I didn’t get a T-Nation hit on google when searching for Jay just now.
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There are over 10,000 views on this thread. Considering there are only 2-3 degrees of separation between you and Kevin Bacon, I think its safe to assume he knows about the thread by now.[/quote]
I donno man, like I said it’s not like it’s first page on google or anything. Plus why would she even google his name? Her name hasn’t come up unless I missed it.
Jay might google his own name, but again nothing comes up except Linkedin.
So unless someone told them I can’t imagine they’d know. It’s not like they are getting a facebook update (or whatever facebook does I don’t have it) on their phone about this thread.
Also btw, while I think it was a mistake to post the guys name, now that the cats out of the bag I think we should all make a packed to destroy Jay Anderson in anyway we can if we ever get the opportunity. Kind of like the Cleveland baggage handlers had a packed to send Art Model’s luggage on a trip around the world if it ever crossed their path.
I hear by pledge to (legally) screw over Jay Anderson anyway I can if I ever get the chance.[/quote]
I love it! I’m on board!
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
Btw, Jay Anderson and Mrs Raven both know about this thread by now and have read everything.
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I’m not so sure they’ve seen it unless Raven told her about it. I didn’t get a T-Nation hit on google when searching for Jay just now.
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There are over 10,000 views on this thread. Considering there are only 2-3 degrees of separation between you and Kevin Bacon, I think its safe to assume he knows about the thread by now.[/quote]
I donno man, like I said it’s not like it’s first page on google or anything. Plus why would she even google his name? Her name hasn’t come up unless I missed it.
Jay might google his own name, but again nothing comes up except Linkedin.
So unless someone told them I can’t imagine they’d know. It’s not like they are getting a facebook update (or whatever facebook does I don’t have it) on their phone about this thread. [/quote]
The same way Holymac’s 6th grade teacher found out he bragged about banging her on here.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
Btw, Jay Anderson and Mrs Raven both know about this thread by now and have read everything.
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I’m not so sure they’ve seen it unless Raven told her about it. I didn’t get a T-Nation hit on google when searching for Jay just now.
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There are over 10,000 views on this thread. Considering there are only 2-3 degrees of separation between you and Kevin Bacon, I think its safe to assume he knows about the thread by now.[/quote]
I donno man, like I said it’s not like it’s first page on google or anything. Plus why would she even google his name? Her name hasn’t come up unless I missed it.
Jay might google his own name, but again nothing comes up except Linkedin.
So unless someone told them I can’t imagine they’d know. It’s not like they are getting a facebook update (or whatever facebook does I don’t have it) on their phone about this thread. [/quote]
The same way Holymac’s 6th grade teacher found out he bragged about banging her on here.
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And Holymac didn’t even say her name or put up a picture. Even the details were sketchy because most of those would only be known to the teacher and Holymac yet people were still able to piece it together and go tell.
It was great she was sport enough to start an account on here. I doubt we will be so lucky with Jay.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
Btw, Jay Anderson and Mrs Raven both know about this thread by now and have read everything.
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I’m not so sure they’ve seen it unless Raven told her about it. I didn’t get a T-Nation hit on google when searching for Jay just now.
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There are over 10,000 views on this thread. Considering there are only 2-3 degrees of separation between you and Kevin Bacon, I think its safe to assume he knows about the thread by now.[/quote]
I donno man, like I said it’s not like it’s first page on google or anything. Plus why would she even google his name? Her name hasn’t come up unless I missed it.
Jay might google his own name, but again nothing comes up except Linkedin.
So unless someone told them I can’t imagine they’d know. It’s not like they are getting a facebook update (or whatever facebook does I don’t have it) on their phone about this thread. [/quote]
The same way Holymac’s 6th grade teacher found out he bragged about banging her on here.
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And Holymac didn’t even say her name or put up a picture. Even the details were sketchy because most of those would only be known to the teacher and Holymac yet people were still able to piece it together and go tell.
It was great she was sport enough to start an account on here. I doubt we will be so lucky with Jay.[/quote]
I missed the whole thing.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
^ I don’t know Pat, maybe I missed some details, but that’s not what I’ve gathered so far. From what OP has written it sounds like she has flirted with this guy through text and probably in person. He doesn’t know if anything physical happened correct?
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No, we don’t know for sure, but then again… The behaviour described fits the pattern of actual cheating, not ‘inappropriate flirting’. No we don’t know for sure, but if something physical didn’t happen, I’ll eat my hat.
The symptoms are absolute, crystal classic affair behavior. The change in behaviour, the deleting of texts, the admissions to a lesser crime, while still being evasive, continuing ‘to be friends’ even after said inappropriate behavior has ceased, etc. It’s standard fare.
Think about what would be normal behaviour if say it were you and you were just inappropriately flirting? Would you tolerate being treated like a cheater if you didn’t cheat? I sure as hell wouldn’t. You would defend yourself, not evade the topic. In the end the attitude for simple sexting should be:
“Yeah, I said some things I shouldn’t have, I flirted, but I’ll be damned if you are going to accuse me of cheating.” ← This didn’t happen. It was more like, “but we only sexted, but I’ll take the accusation of cheating because I shouldn’t have done even that.” Nu-uh.
The behavoiur expressed is the behavior of cheating.
I wouldn’t tolerate getting kicked out, losing my phone, maybe, but not kicked out.
The words and the reactions don’t match. Why is she being so timid about the consequences and being all nice if she was accused of, and being treated as if her crime were greater, if it were not?
Her behaviour gives her away. Right now, she thinks if she admits everything, it’s over for her. She might be right, but at this juncture getting caught after the fact will be FAR worse than coming clean now.
All we need is the body, the scene of the crime is pretty standard.
The reality is that flirting IS NOT cheating. It’s not right, but it’s also not riding another dude’s pole. One is far worse than the other.
And yes, there are 2 sides to every story, but unless Raven is a liar, the behaviour he described is standard, classic, affair behaviour. Even the time frame matches the average.
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OP, if you love this woman and your satisfied was faithful or able to forgive her, I hope you use this pot hole as a catalyst to repave the road so to speak. Go see a certified marriage counselor. [/quote]
This marriage doesn’t have to be over even if she did the ultimate betrayal. But other than the OP’s willingness to forgive and work through it, it’s all up to her. The only thing Raven has to do is demand the truth, find the truth and stick to his guns.
AND if there is ANY chance of saving this counseling is MANDATORY, there is no other option. You won’t figure it out on your own, the emotions are too strong.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]JCMPG wrote:
…If you really love her than you will forgive her and move forward with your marriage. If you are unsure of your love dont waste your time or her time. Your love for her can not be dependant upon whether or not she fucked up, love is unconditional especially in a marriage. We all fuck up at times.[/quote]
These platitudes don’t wash. They sound good but good sounds don’t make good policy.
By the way, pretty much all love on this earth between spouses is conditional. Even between you and your wife. I could prove it by listing some conditions that would cause even your marriage to break up even though I don’t know you.[/quote]
Push - I understand your position, but I stand by my statement. However I will expand my statement to say that to this love has to run both ways, if not then by all means you are correct with what you said. This would be so much easier to discuss over a beer than over the damn internet!
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
Btw, Jay Anderson and Mrs Raven both know about this thread by now and have read everything.
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I’m not so sure they’ve seen it unless Raven told her about it. I didn’t get a T-Nation hit on google when searching for Jay just now.
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There are over 10,000 views on this thread. Considering there are only 2-3 degrees of separation between you and Kevin Bacon, I think its safe to assume he knows about the thread by now.[/quote]
I donno man, like I said it’s not like it’s first page on google or anything. Plus why would she even google his name? Her name hasn’t come up unless I missed it.
Jay might google his own name, but again nothing comes up except Linkedin.
So unless someone told them I can’t imagine they’d know. It’s not like they are getting a facebook update (or whatever facebook does I don’t have it) on their phone about this thread. [/quote]
The same way Holymac’s 6th grade teacher found out he bragged about banging her on here.
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And Holymac didn’t even say her name or put up a picture. Even the details were sketchy because most of those would only be known to the teacher and Holymac yet people were still able to piece it together and go tell.
It was great she was sport enough to start an account on here. I doubt we will be so lucky with Jay.[/quote]
There was a picture in the beginning, holymac blacked it out after a few hours. Not sure how someone was able to find her with just a picture, though.
And yes, she was hot.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
Btw, Jay Anderson and Mrs Raven both know about this thread by now and have read everything.
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I’m not so sure they’ve seen it unless Raven told her about it. I didn’t get a T-Nation hit on google when searching for Jay just now.
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There are over 10,000 views on this thread. Considering there are only 2-3 degrees of separation between you and Kevin Bacon, I think its safe to assume he knows about the thread by now.[/quote]
I donno man, like I said it’s not like it’s first page on google or anything. Plus why would she even google his name? Her name hasn’t come up unless I missed it.
Jay might google his own name, but again nothing comes up except Linkedin.
So unless someone told them I can’t imagine they’d know. It’s not like they are getting a facebook update (or whatever facebook does I don’t have it) on their phone about this thread. [/quote]
The same way Holymac’s 6th grade teacher found out he bragged about banging her on here.
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And Holymac didn’t even say her name or put up a picture. Even the details were sketchy because most of those would only be known to the teacher and Holymac yet people were still able to piece it together and go tell.
It was great she was sport enough to start an account on here. I doubt we will be so lucky with Jay.[/quote]
There was a picture in the beginning, holymac blacked it out after a few hours. Not sure how someone was able to find her with just a picture, though.
And yes, she was hot.
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google image search
[quote]JCMPG wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]JCMPG wrote:
…If you really love her than you will forgive her and move forward with your marriage. If you are unsure of your love dont waste your time or her time. Your love for her can not be dependant upon whether or not she fucked up, love is unconditional especially in a marriage. We all fuck up at times.[/quote]
These platitudes don’t wash. They sound good but good sounds don’t make good policy.
By the way, pretty much all love on this earth between spouses is conditional. Even between you and your wife. I could prove it by listing some conditions that would cause even your marriage to break up even though I don’t know you.[/quote]
Push - I understand your position, but I stand by my statement. However I will expand my statement to say that to this love has to run both ways, if not then by all means you are correct with what you said. This would be so much easier to discuss over a beer than over the damn internet![/quote]
See now what you said makes sense. It didn’t before, because there MUST be some condition. Some poor sap can love his girl with all the love in the world, but if she doesn’t give a shit about him and keeps letting other dudes go balls deep, then no amount of him forgiving and moving forward and loving unconditionally is gonna do shit lol.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]JCMPG wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]JCMPG wrote:
…If you really love her than you will forgive her and move forward with your marriage. If you are unsure of your love dont waste your time or her time. Your love for her can not be dependant upon whether or not she fucked up, love is unconditional especially in a marriage. We all fuck up at times.[/quote]
These platitudes don’t wash. They sound good but good sounds don’t make good policy.
By the way, pretty much all love on this earth between spouses is conditional. Even between you and your wife. I could prove it by listing some conditions that would cause even your marriage to break up even though I don’t know you.[/quote]
Push - I understand your position, but I stand by my statement. However I will expand my statement to say that to this love has to run both ways, if not then by all means you are correct with what you said. This would be so much easier to discuss over a beer than over the damn internet![/quote]
See now what you said makes sense. It didn’t before, because there MUST be some condition. Some poor sap can love his girl with all the love in the world, but if she doesn’t give a shit about him and keeps letting other dudes go balls deep, then no amount of him forgiving and moving forward and loving unconditionally is gonna do shit lol.[/quote]
That is 100% correct. My advice to the OP though was he and his wife need to figure out if they really do love each other before going forward though if not its a total waste of time. And if his love is conditional on whether or not she fucked up then there is a problem. People do make mistakes and he may want to proverbaly clean his own house before he sicks the dogs on the other guy. Our own actions can dictate other peoples behavior. Maybe he wasnt giving Mrs. Raven the type of love and attention she needed to feel loved so she found someone else who would. Some people like alot of verbal communication, some like actions, others like physical actions. You gotta know what makes people tick. Especially your spouse, if you are giving her everything she needs she will ignore all other advances.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]JCMPG wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]JCMPG wrote:
…If you really love her than you will forgive her and move forward with your marriage. If you are unsure of your love dont waste your time or her time. Your love for her can not be dependant upon whether or not she fucked up, love is unconditional especially in a marriage. We all fuck up at times.[/quote]
These platitudes don’t wash. They sound good but good sounds don’t make good policy.
By the way, pretty much all love on this earth between spouses is conditional. Even between you and your wife. I could prove it by listing some conditions that would cause even your marriage to break up even though I don’t know you.[/quote]
Push - I understand your position, but I stand by my statement. However I will expand my statement to say that to this love has to run both ways, if not then by all means you are correct with what you said. This would be so much easier to discuss over a beer than over the damn internet![/quote]
Well, at the risk of sounding trite, you just proved my point. You listed a condition – “love has to run both ways.” That condition comes with a whole subset of conditions too.
I’d love to have that beer.[/quote]
If you ever get to Jefferson City, MO for any of your travels I would be more than willing.
I’m very disappoint at the lack of pledges. The only pledge is from T-Raven and that’s basically a given anyway.
Found his facebook