No blood work yet. At my next check up
Is Proviron any better for lipids (vs Masteron)?
Dose dependently probably. Literature is sparse, but 150mg/day or so (statistical average) does a fat number on youāre lipids
150/day of proviron or masteron?
What dose are you planning to run the masteron at? With your TRT and var (75mg?)
150mg proviron would be preferable to 150mg mast/day in terms of lipid impact. Furthermore the oral bioavailability of mesterolone is only about 3%, so youāre using less.
If you were referring to the study, Iām talking about 150mg proviron/day
Most literature on mast (sparse) pertains to ER positive breast cancer or for treatment of gynecomastia (if I recall there was a study comparing the efficiency of drostanolone vs epitiostanolone, the non methylated version of epistane, also an antineoplastic agent).
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@mfezdro
I havenāt gotten that far yet
Thanks.
Iāve run a masteron blend 100mg e and 50mg prop at 150 and 300 /week alongside 250mg test on a few different occasions. I actually like it but I get irritable the last couple weeks. I wonder if itās not dropping my E or itās the DHT build up, thinking of doing it again but running higher test. Iām also tempted to run var again, choices choicesā¦
Iām on 150mg Mast Prop, 150mg T Prop & 200mg T Cyp (TRT) and itās been pretty nice. Basically using it for muscle retention while leaning out. Itās been awesome so far. Nothing spectacular visually but the little differences are noticeable to me like being more vascular and not gaining unwanted weight even when diet is poor. I think Iāll run Mast with anything I run from now on. Itās only been about 4 weeks so about 6 more to go.
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This has become my motto and Iāve run mast at 100/week stacked with my 200 Test for over a year now. Got a couple of friends who have started recently as well and they like it a lot.
Do you have labs? I would like to use it, but concerned with lipids.
I have labs on that dose of drostanolone vs baseline but I wouldnāt feel comfortable putting them up on a public forum.
As to var for long term use. To simply put it, the effect on lipids mediated from even miniscule dosages (10-20mg/day) make anavar unfit for long term use. The hepatotoxicity/nephrotoxicity associated with oxandrolone/long term usage also make it unsuitable if one is using AAS with the pursuit of longevity in mind.
Youāve got a few genetic anomalies who can maintain a decent lipid profile while using oxandrolone, but these guys/gals are far from the norm.
If youāre going to use mast long term or anavar/orals in generalā¦ Donāt be an idiot and test merely the bare essentials. We tend to prioritise acute effect over long term detriment. Variables like lipids/blood pressure tend to be transient, so we donāt tend to think about them.
The cumulative effect of skewed lipids will lead to accelerated atherogenesis. Fucked up lipids and hypertension represent two of the most deadly, yet often ātransientā conditions bodybuilders can let go unchecked (and glycemic control)ā¦ The mentality within AAS users shouldnāt be āout of sight out of mindā, our mentality should be focused on maintaining health markers (within reason, canāt expect to have perfect lipids on cycle)
You can feel fantastic with HDL < 20 LDL > 170 etc
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Would you be comfortable sharing what the fuck it does lol? We trying not to die brother. How long can someone run 150mg/week who has decent lipids to start?
My lipids were almost identical to the number as these 5 months after running Winstrol 50mg/day for 6 weeks. Blood pressure always around 118/68.
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Dropped HDL from 43 to 27, no impact on LDL.
Lipid profile alterations are transient. 5 months post winny is more than enough time to revert back to normality. The worry is the cumulative effect over years (how much time is spent with shitty lipids).
Who knows, we very little long term data to go by. Given how little we know relating to the pharmacodynamics of drostanolone when taken by adult men, weād have to merely go by anecdote (flawed due to major discrepancy between individualistic reactions). Keep an eye on lipids, haematological parameters, renal function, cardiac dimensions/function etc.
Permenantly running 150mg mast with 200mg test obviously isnāt good for you, 350mg/wk permanently is a permablast for 99.9% of adult men.
I wish I could give you an answer, but I canātā¦ This kind of experimentation is like playing Russian roulette for all of us. GENETICS/lifestyle will mediate how many rounds youāve got in the chamber.
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No, I need to for sure. Lockdown puts a damper on a lot of stuff
Hey brother. I was just thinking about you and your absence. How are you doing? Staying healthy?
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Iāve been better, though Iād bet many are in the same place as I am right now. 2020 will probably shape up to be a year to remember for decades to come.
How have you been doing? Itāsā¦ a bit hectic over there on the other side of the world. Stay safe man
Health is subjective, chronic pain has flared up thus I havenāt been able to train. But I do what I can, when I can. Furthermore, I adhere to a relatively clean diet and I generally get enough sleep. My Shoulder is shot to shit (from possible/plausible dislocation in February), I shouldāve taken your advice at the time of the injuryā¦ but at that point in time stereotypical teenage mentality took over and I kept training through itā¦
Some other shit has happened (nothing major), but I donāt feel comfortable posting about it on a public forum, nor would it be appropriate to do so in the āPharma sectionā. Iāll post up my email back in my bio (not in relation to thisā¦ if anyone wants to casually chat.)
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Unless your email had changed, I should still have it.
That teenage mind is a bitch to get around! LOL A middle aged man on Test isnt much different, he has so much more to lose.