ADD/ADHD Experience, Treatments & Methodologies

[quote]ipjunkie wrote:
My kids are currently on the Feingold diet. www.feingold.org

It basically removes all dyes and preservatives along with artificial colors, flavorings, etc.

We have had good success with it, although we have never had my son formally diagnosed with any disorder, we would prefer not to. When he isn’t on the diet, he exhibits ADD/ADHD type behavior.[/quote]

We also make sure our son (the target of Feingold) gets 1 ZMA each night. it helps him sleep well and he wakes up very happy and ready to go to school.

He had an issue at school last week, though, because they let him have a chocolate milk that contains artificial flavoring and preservatives. He was hell all week.

He tells us that he feel “terrible!” when he’s eaten or drank something he’s allergic to.

Feel free to contact me or IP_Junkie for information about the Feingold Program. It has saved our sanity and our kids are not on medication unnecessarily.

For the record, the kids can’t consume Biotest’s Grow! protein powder because of artificials. My husband, however, does use it. :slight_smile:

Check out a book called “Healing ADD” by Dr. Daniel Amen. It’s a wealth of knowledge, easy to read, and has suggestions on treatments, both natural and medicinal.

Another helpful book is “ADD Success Stories” by Thom Hartmann. I didn’t buy his Hunter/Farmer ADD theory, but he lists numerous coping skills others have used for their ADD and I found a few new tricks to use.

I use Ginko Biloba and Phosphatidylserine and noticed my ability to recall things has improved.

One other big help has been using the Alpha-Stim. Shugart wrote an article on it a few years ago.

Spike has been a mixed blessing. After using it, I realized exactly how ADD I was, but its followup results has been about 50/50. I’d still recommend it, though.

any other people out there who want to share their experiences???
this is a thinktank guys, bring on the knowledge

[quote]MIKMATT wrote:
any other people out there who want to share their experiences???
this is a thinktank guys, bring on the knowledge[/quote]

one thing i found on Dr Amen’s website ( Achieving SUCCESS: What Is The Starting Point? | Amen Clinics ) was that he suggest people with ADD use a high protein and low carb diet in order to equalize seratonin/dopamine and norepinephrine. ironically enough, when i read this i realized that when i spent years on a nearly zero-carb diet, i functioned amazingly well, whereas most people shut down mentally on it…he also suggests supplementing with tyrosine and gingko biloba.

here are some reccommended supplemts: http://amenclinics.com/ac/articles_detail.php?articleID=10

i just realized that i shouldn’t be taking melatonin…doh!

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
one thing i found on Dr Amen’s website ( Achieving SUCCESS: What Is The Starting Point? | Amen Clinics ) was that he suggest people with ADD use a high protein and low carb diet in order to equalize seratonin/dopamine and norepinephrine. ironically enough, when i read this i realized that when i spent years on a nearly zero-carb diet, i functioned amazingly well, whereas most people shut down mentally on it…he also suggests supplementing with tyrosine and gingko biloba.
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I agree. Mike Mahler designed a nutrition program for me some months back and switched things around so I got my carbs from fruits, veggies and made what I ate much more alkaline than it was before.

I noticed a change within a couple days and felt much more mentally alert and energetic.

Over the past few years I have tried adderall,methylphenidate(sp?)
strattera and wellbutrin.I had positive results with all initially, but then the sideffects would overide any benefits.
Adderall(a combination of amphetamines) was the most problematic(hairloss,manic behaviour increased impulsivity,lack of sexual interest).
I’ve finally given up on the meds for now .
My impression is that due to biochemical individuality we tend to
react differently to these substances,
initially and over time.
I’ve used Powerdrive with good results and have limited its use to postworkout (3-4Xs wk) since I started taking Spike ( also with good results)
I would like to formulate a way to take both daily (suggestions from T-staff ?)
I encourage anyone to visit kpinst.org for lots of resources and a perspective of the positive aspects of a so called learning disorder.

Here’s an article from careerjournal.com
about ADD :
WSJ Jobs: Tips For Your Job Search During Coronavirus.

By Jeffrey Zaslow
Mia Perna of Washington, D.C., has four children who were diagnosed with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder. They’re all creative, exuberant and intuitive, she says, but they struggle to stay focused, and to ratchet down their energy when society demands it. Ritalin and other ADHD drugs have helped.

Naturally, Ms. Perna was interested in my recent column titled “What if Einstein Had Taken Ritalin?” The piece explained researchers’ concerns that ADHD drugs may be stifling the creativity inherent in the disorder, sapping tomorrow’s work force of some of its potential genius. After reading the column, Ms. Perna sent an e-mail:

“Quite frankly, if my choice is between a seven-year-old weeping under his bed because he has to go to school, or having a child who leaves the house with confidence and joy, I’ll take the risk of denying the world that future genius.”

Hundreds of readers sent equally passionate comments, raising questions about the role ADHD medications play in our education system and our parenting techniques. Combined with last week’s news that Canadian regulators have suspended sales of the ADHD drug Adderall XR because of safety concerns, the mail blitz was a reminder that we’re far from a consensus on the issue.

Many readers were grateful they weren’t put on Ritalin as kids, though they recognize how exasperating they were (and are) to those around them. “My ADHD has been a constant source of frustration” for my family and teachers, “but it’s also been a critical component of my success as a graphic designer in today’s high-velocity, quick-response, multi-tasking business environment,” wrote Bob Zeni of LaGrange Park, Ill.

A Boston businessman wrote that both he and his son have ADD. His son took medication briefly as a boy, but it made him lethargic so he refused to continue taking it. The son forced himself to be organized and to set priorities. He ended up at Harvard and was a third-round draft pick in the National Hockey League. “His ADD enables him to compete in high-speed sports with the unfair advantage that chaos seems normal to him,” says his father.

The father, though, recently began taking it, and likes the results. “It removes the static in my head,” he says.

Many in favor of medication say that people who don’t have ADHD can’t understand it. “It is incredibly difficult to live in a world where everyone talks and thinks so damn slow,” wrote Glenn Silver of Walla Walla, Wash. Parents told of how painful it is to watch their children get ostracized by kids, yelled at by teachers and dumped by romantic partners.

Mary Solanto, director of the ADHD Center at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, wrote that she believes ADHD prevents creative people from expressing their talents: “It takes concentration and focus to compose a piece of music, to create a work or art or write a novel.”

Dr. Solanto conducted a study in 1989 looking at whether Ritalin impairs creativity. Children with ADHD were asked to name alternate uses for common objects. A response that a brick could be used “to build a house” was less original than, say, “for weight-lifting.” Her study showed that the children on Ritalin gave more creative answers than those on placebos.

Some readers argued that today’s Einsteins and Edisons are too coddled and need Ritalin. “We tolerate far too much from creative genius types,” wrote one reader.

Other readers, however, faulted educators for suggesting that so many children be put on ADHD drugs. One woman said her son went to a school near San Diego that was dubbed ADD Elementary, because almost half of the kids were medicated. Some parents suspect standardized tests used to measure school districts’ success rates are the reason behind the drugging. These parents charge that conformity, obedience and rote learning are prized over creativity. “Schools are production lines with a need for efficiency,” wrote Rich Pinkowitz of Newton, Mass.

Some readers argued that kids with borderline ADHD need patience, discipline and encouragement rather than drugs. One reader complained that his daughter’s first-grade teacher refuses to repeat directions. Rather than give his daughter a little extra attention, the teacher is recommending the girl be examined for ADHD. “We’ll refuse to consider Ritalin,” the father says.

A mother in Maine wrote: “One doctor said that depriving our son of Ritalin was like depriving a diabetic of insulin.” She found that a noncarb diet and massages helped her son focus better. Though the boy still forgets his homework, he’s outgoing, musically talented and still maintains his “spark,” she says. “It took a leap of faith to reject the doctor’s wall of degrees and trust our intuitive knowledge of our son.”

and another :

In American schools these days, countless class clowns are sitting down and shutting up. In chemistry labs, students who used to mix chemicals haphazardly, out of an insatiable curiosity, now focus on their textbooks. In English classes, kids who once stared out the windows, concocting crazy life stories about passersby, now face the blackboard.

Ritalin and other drugs for attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder have helped many children improve their focus and behavior – to the great relief of parents and teachers. But ADHD support groups offer long lists of out-of-the-box thinkers who had classic ADHD traits such as impulsivity, a penchant for day-dreaming, and disorganized lives. Among those who are believed to have had the disorder: Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein, Salvador Dali, Winston Churchill.

The question is whether the Ritalin Revolution will sap tomorrow’s work force of some of its potential genius. What will be the repercussions in corporations, comedy clubs, and research labs?

Some researchers now wonder if would-be Einsteins and Edisons will choose different career paths because their creativity and drive are dulled by ADHD drugs. They also worry that the stigma of being labeled with ADHD could lead some kids to lose confidence, and dream smaller dreams.

This concern comes as more parents are being forced to weigh the sometimes dramatic benefits of ADHD drugs against the unknown that accompanies any new generation of treatment. As many as 12% of kids today have been labeled with ADHD, and the number of kids’ prescriptions for ADHD drugs, including Strattera and Adderall, rose 23% between 2000 and 2003, according to the latest figures from Medco Health Solutions Inc. ADHD drug prescriptions for pre-schoolers were up 49%.

A person who focuses better taking Ritalin can be “like a horse with blinders, plodding along. He’s moving forward, getting things done, but he’s less open to inspiration,” says Lara Honos-Webb, a psychologist at Santa Clara University. In her new book, due out next month and titled “The Gift of ADHD,” she identifies “gifts” that often accompany the disorder, including creativity, exuberance and intuition. She believes ADHD drugs temper these traits.

But others who treat ADHD argue that when children are given appropriate drug regimens, they become far more capable. “God knows what Einstein would have accomplished had he been diagnosed and treated,” says Wilma Fellman, a career counselor who helps clients with ADHD.

It’s too early for there to be long-term career studies about today’s Ritalin generation. And certainly, many who take Ritalin say it helps; some describe it as quieting the circus in the room. Still, a lot of adults who’ve excelled as entrepreneurs, performers, politicians and communicators trace their successes to their ADHD.

In seventh grade in the late 1970s, Erich Muller was such a class clown that his teachers actually sentenced him to more days of detention than there were days in the school year. They had a cubicle-like enclosure built atop his desk to keep his eyes from wandering. They said he should be on Ritalin. His parents refused.

“As a kid, I’d see a thousand different things in every cloud,” says Mr. Muller. “Teachers told my parents I was ‘too creative.’ Too creative like who? Picasso?” He now goes by the name “Mancow,” and, based in Chicago, is one of the nation’s highest-paid radio personalities.

David Neeleman, CEO of JetBlue Airways, never took drugs for his ADHD, and is now an advocate for kids with the disorder. He says ADHD helps him think unconventionally, and he worries that if he took medication, he’d be like everyone else. He has found techniques to concentrate better, while hiring others to handle organizational details. He is credited with inventing the electronic airline ticket, which was in part an effort to help people with the classic ADHD trait of forgetfulness.

Too many kids, especially boys who are merely rambunctious, are being given the drugs with just cursory evaluations, says William Pollack, an assistant clinical professor at Harvard Medical School.

In his ongoing research into boyhood, Dr. Pollack has found anecdotal evidence that Ritalin renders some kids less interested in pursuing creative opportunities. One boy he studied had been active in his school’s science club. After he was put on Ritalin, he felt like the spark inside him was extinguished. He lost interest in the science club and dropped out. Eventually, he stopped taking Ritalin, returned to the club, and developed a flashlight alarm system that won a major science competition.

Another subject in Dr. Pollack’s research is a math whiz in his 40s who was hyperactive as a child. As an adult, the man earned several hundred million dollars developing computer technology. “His ideas come to him in a flash,” explains Dr. Pollack. “He feels that if he had been given Ritalin as a child, he’d have just ended up as a teaching assistant in some science course.”

This man did try Ritalin recently because his wife said his hyperactivity was hurting their marriage. But he found the drug stifled his thinking. He’s now trying behavioral techniques to be calmer at home.

ADHD drugs are good for patching up weaknesses, not enhancing strengths, says Dr. Honos-Webb. “If your parents want you to be a lawyer, maybe these drugs can help you do that.” But she believes a child on Ritalin is less likely to be the next great dot-com pioneer or even a Robin Williams-like comic.

She wishes more parents would see their kids’ futures in less-rigid terms. “Spaciness,” she insists, “is a path to inspiration.”

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Ritalin is a highly addictive methamphetamine that causes permanent changes in cardiac tissue and loss of brain mass.

Ritalin is used to treat a condition with no known cause.

Neurologists treat conditions of the central nervous system and I know at least one who says add is a lie made up to sell dangerous drugs like ritalin.

Over 300 otherwise healthy children have died from heart attacks while using ritalin.

Cat scans cannot tell any difference between the brains of a so called add child and a supposedly normal one until after ritalin has been administered. The child on ritalin will show a ten percent loss of brain mass compared to their pre ritalin scan.

Check out these websites.
http://adhdfraud.com/

All the adults I know who were fed ritalin as children ended up addicted to coke or crystal meth. Ritalin is not worth it. Being a ritalin user is one baby step away from being a crackhead.

Ritalin will turn you into a drug addict. Any drug therapist will tell you that once you become an addict you are one for life. Once you become addicted to one drug you are addicted to them all, it’s just a matter of if you have used them yet. It’s just not worth it.[/quote]

Ritalin is addictive but not highly. And ritalin is methylphenidate with fewer side effects than methamphetamin wich was never prescribed for conditions we are talking about. Adderall, Dexedrine (amphetamine) were prescribed for ADD/ADHD, narcolepsy and other conditions in the past. You gave to the public two siste of antipropaganda and most of your statments about side effects are not true. Ritalin does not cause any irreversible side effects on cario-vascular system nor to brain in prescribed quantities. Correlation of ritalin therapy and drug abuse (with sympathomimetics - cocke, meth, amphetamine, mdma, etc.) is not a big deal. This abuse is caused by other reasons and factors, IMO.

I actually agree w/ both of you on this…and would rather not indulge in a stimulant. A stimulant will increase your blood pressure and heart rate but it can and will get the job done for ADD. Also , in order not to rely on having to have a drug these meditation and behaivor modification things may help as well.

Check out strattera - its the non-stimulant alternative. Or just get some of that hillbilly crack meth stuff.