Actors, Athletes, and Influencers on Steroids

You test trough as it’s a control that’s easy to replicate for comparison, its not because the rest of the week doesn’t matter. Cycle levels may be debatable so let’s call it PED levels. Performance enhancing is above normal range.

False again. You go by the range developed by the specific lab. Labs have ranges not because some are more liberal than others. It’s based on their result spectrum from the methods used. You don’t know this?

Agree for a change.

Exactly my friend. You don’t need to test these as it’s much easier for data comparison to always do the trough. But at least acknowledging this period is different and much higher than trough should be considered.

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It is shocking. But the same is true of people on medication for diabetes, anxiety, obesity (weight loss, satiety pills), etc… Everyone wants to take a pill rather than look at their lifestyle and make changes.

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You said it brother. Always the quick fix. Its one thing to have to take but it should be taken just to get your shit together with diet and exercise and then try to get off, but a lot people think that since a doctor prescribed it, you must take it the rest of your life.

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This mysteriously showed up on my facebook after reading the last couple posts.

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I will weigh in.

I went through a TRT Clinic about the same time my father got on TRT - it was interesting.

About 50, I tested about 170 and was put on 100mg a week with Arimidex and HCG. I dug deep, did research, got a little jacked, changed providers, and ended up on 140mg a week withHCG.

About the same time as I hit 140mg, my father’s MD put him on 1ML every two weeks. Of course, that was 1 ML of Test Cyp 250 every two weeks. IM by the way. My father is morbidly obese, stage four heart failure, Type 2 diabetic.

I started subq shortly thereafter. My PCP let me self inject and he tested me every 12 weeks. Before my next shot, presumably trough, I was 600-650.

I assume I touched 1200 immediately after the shot. Kind of wonder what my fat dad hit after 250 IM.

Whatever - bottom line, I’m managing my own shit now, about 150mg per week, no HCG, No Adex, just 150mg subq once a week.

I’ll be 60 in September. I’m 6’1", 190 pounds, about 16% BF.

Take it for what it is.

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Growing up playing sports in high school competitively, I saw on average 3 kids per team I was on was trying something. It definitely made a difference for Hockey, Football, Wrestling, and Track team guys. Near graduation I remember reading about a young Lionel Messi on growth hormone for Barcelona as a early teen. The club was paying for the treatment as he was and is a small guy. To play for a competitive club, tied to a world class organization means your already talented! Did his GH and “supplement” protocol help him get to the pros? No doubt it helped, by how much ? who knows!

Throughout the years, and now I’m much older I have no problem saying I have personally witnessed folks from, UFC, NHL, NFL, and other sports take banned or performance enhancing drugs.

I believe it is honestly everywhere from High school, College, to the Pros… and in reality if what I witnessed as a non-famous nobody at the top of some of these sports, then I would guess its extremely prevalent.

He was diagnosed with growth hormone deficiency and was on growth hormone before he was a teen. It wasn’t because he was a small guy; he was a small child who probably would have been a foot shorter as an adult had he not had treatment. And he started the treatment in Argentina around two years before Barcelona signed him to their academy.

I think we do know. How many professional soccer players who play in a top tier league are under five feet tall?

Given the decriminalization of so many narcotics in western nations I wonder why steroids aren’t legal. If they were pharmaceutical companies would be tripping over each other trying to produce the most effective with the least side effects.

Some use it, some don’t… it’s there call, I don’t, I’m allergic to early horrible death…

As a 67-year-old who began bodybuilding at age 15 in 1971 and is still bodybuilding over 52 years later…yeah, yep, and yes.

Due to serious genetic aesthetic weaknesses (I’m one of those on the farther left of the potential-for-muscle bellcurve, especially in my legs; fifty years of never skipping leg days, of squats as an always-in-program-requisite, and of prioritizing calf workouts never resolved my “hey-do-you-even-work-legs-bro?” misery), I chose to forego AAS, at least until I was prescribed a 100 mg/week TRT dose of test cyp at age 60 (not and never more than 100 mg/week from this clinic). I reasoned that AAS couldn’t improve my proportions, so any size gains from AAS would merely mean a larger but just-as-unaesthetically-proportioned version. And, for those wondering, I actually had substantially more mass as a 27-year-old drug-free than I have at age 67 on 100/mg/week, due to chronic joint issues that prohibit me using the poundages I could handle when younger.

Anyway…regarding Casey’s and Christian’s calculators. I’ve long regarded both as excellent predictors for one’s personal use rather than tools for assessing whether or not others are using AAS, for the reasons you discuss.

I recall running Casey’s general calculator for the first time with my own height, wrist, and ankle numbers, and, finding the result for my arms being within a quarter-inch of what their size had been, at about 11-12% bodyfat, back at my peak when I was age 21.

I recall appying Christian’s gains-per-consecutive-training-years, and arriving at a total for four years which had indeed been my total lean gain (as a low-responder, so 12 + 6 + 3 + 1ish = 22 pounds of lean) also by age 21, beyond which any weight gains were fat.

So, affirming what you imply…those calculators are impractical for evaluating if others are using anabolic steroids or growth drugs, but very reliable for predicting personal results for an average guy’s drug-free mass potential.

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Steroid use has its place.

In the late 1990’s I used steroids and testosterone therapy under medical supervision to counter the effects of HIV/AIDS wasting. As a professional dancer, my average body weight for most of my adult life was a lean 159 lbs, 5’9" man. I was admitted to the hospital In 1996 with a 105º temperature, out-of-whack blood chemistry up and down the list, malabsorption, fat malabsorption, and chronic diarrhea resulting in weight loss; now I was down to 135 lbs, all attributed to 40 t-cells, and an out-of-control viral load garnering me with an AIDS diagnosis.

They gave me IV fluid but no medications as the doctors at the hospital couldn’t find anything to treat. I didn’t have cancer, hepatitis, leukemia, or any other treatable disease, and the hospital beds were filling up. They got my temperature to 102º after three days, but they had no idea how to help me. My body was dying, and they needed the hospital bed to admit other patients that they could treat. In their experience in treating people with AIDS, the patients would usually die, so on the fifth day, they arranged hospice care and sent me home.

It took five weeks to break the 102º temperature. I was drenched in sweat every night and would have up to ten watery bowel movements a day. Even though I had to wear a diaper and lie on Chuck’s pads, I didn’t have enough energy to make it to the toilet most of the time and would only get, if I was lucky, two hours of sleep a night. It was brutal. I wanted to die, but I knew that it was up to me whether to fight and hang on or to take the easy route and just let go. A voice in my head told me, “Hang on. We need you here.” I chose to fight.

After two weeks of breaking the fever, I met with a holistic nutritionist to reboot my intestinal system. My colon was so distended, ballooned out, from the watery stool that we had to tailor food intake. I went on the Zone diet. I cut out milk products as I have fat malabsorption lactose intolerance, and still 135 lbs.

I started with my anti-retroviral medications two weeks after rebooting my nutrition. Slowly, over six months, I gained weight and regained enough strength to walk around one city block. The kids in the neighborhood said one day, “Man, you got fat!” I was starting to push out of a 36" weight at 165lb. My usual waist size is 30." I looked in the mirror and said, “Hm, so that’s what a man’s body looks like.” I was alive, which was most important – at that time.

By 1998, I decided that I needed to try to get back into shape, Maybe not my dancer’s body, but to a point where if ever I was to get sick again, I would have some meat on my bones not to worry about dying so easily. So, I met with a doctor who was participating in Steroid therapy for people with wasting syndromes associated with AIDS.

I did my first three-month cycle of Deca-Therapy in January 1999 but couldn’t put in consistent workouts, thus garnered no results. I was just too damn tired!

Discouraged, I waited six months before starting a second three-month cycle. This time, the results began to show. I gained muscle mass, lowered my body fat, and had more energy. I was on the road to recovery.

I did two more cycles of three months and three-month breaks in between. I was looking terrific. I was looking more like a bodybuilder now. It was in 2001 that one of my friends wanted to compete in the Gay Games in Australia the following year. Drug testing was required to compete, so I stopped juicing and focused on great form and breathing techniques. I have been able to maintain the gains that I had made while taking steroids under the doctor’s supervision and have gained weight naturally since then with protein drinks and some supplementation. I maxed out at 179 lbs in 2005; since then, now that I’m 62 years old, I feel great at 170 lbs.

My point is that using steroids for their designed purpose has its place, but nothing beats good, hard work. As the saying goes, “Perfect practice makes perfect.”


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Wow, that’s quite a story. You’ve been through a lot, and your spirit and fight are inspiring. Thanks for sharing.

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Thanks for the acknowledgment. My goal is to bring awareness to the light in others, and yours shines, too! Peace to you!

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Simply put:
If you have to lie about it, then you know you are doing something wrong.

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