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[quote]Jbrew wrote:
Depending on what kind of labor laws you work under they don’t even have to test you they can simply fire you based on their assumptions.[/quote]

Many states do in fact have “at will” statutes which loosely means you can leave whenever you choose and they can terminate you, without cause, for any reason. Generally though, at least mid to large size companies, attempt to follow HR protocols for dismissing someone to avoid discrimination complaints - particularly if you are in a protected class (female, x of 40, handicap, minority, etc.). If you follow a HR protocol, you can always argue that said person was treated fairly and in accordance to policy. Firing someone because you feel like it does not afford you that protection. And in today’s litigious society, most companies will err on the side of caution and at least follow some protocol.

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[quote]Otep wrote:
I’m sorry guys.

I refuse to have sympathy for someone suffering the tragic difficulties of success.

Nobody gets HYOOOGE by accident, and if weightlifting negatively impacts your career, you have a tough decision to make.

If you want to rail against the unfairness of society, the hidden accusations of ‘steroids’ by the masses towards highly muscular men should be very far down the list.

‘Should be’.

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You missed the point by a mile. None of the …and I use the term reluctantly because it’s VERY relative…“big guys” here are crying or boo hooing in their coffee while muttering under their collective breath “whoa is me”. We are merely pointing out the very real negative connotations/images and are reinforcing the point that to be asked if you use steroids is NOT a compliment.

I don’t look in the mirror and say I’m “hyooge” by the way. I live in my own body and have no “scale” to perceive my size. I assure you, I never ever set out to be 275 or so. And in fact, the last few years I’ve been obsessing with the idea (for health reasons) of getting down from middle linebacker size to running back size. I would be very happy if I were 230 right now without decimating all my hard work - and my hard work translates to lbs lifted on the bar, not the size of my bicep etc. For instance, if my arms went from 19" to 17" and my weight fell from the 265 or so now to 235 AND I could still squat and deadlift North of 600??? I’d be happier than a pig in shit.

I was a real athlete first, powerlifter by chance. I know, too much information - sorry, but you hit a nerve.

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I think the point about ‘real women’ as opposed to ‘girls’ is a good point. It’s a bit like shaving your head if you’re going thin in your 20’s or 30’s - some ‘girls’ will say ‘eww’ because they like guys who preen their hair, life pink dummbells and use exotic shampoo; in contrast, some women don’t mind it or even dig it because it’s masculine.

When a teenage girl first goes to a party she reaches for a lemonade, it’s cute and sweet and nice and safe. One day someone dares her to try a straight vodka - ‘eww it’s gross’ but something inside her likes it, even though mummy told her to stay away from things like that; with time, she loves that vodka and what it does to her at party time.

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I’m still oddly proud of the time an anthropology professor, upon being asked what ‘robust’ meant ( while discussing australopithecus robustus) pointed me out as an example.

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I think some of you guys trying to convince yourself that “real women” like “big guys” are delusional and wishful thinkers. Sure, there is a segment of women that like that look, but many do not - and it has nothing to do with whether they are girls or women. People like what they like. And all the negative connotations are still there and need to be overcome. Unless they know you personally, they probably first assume you are less intelligent.

They may assume you are not professionally or well employed. They may assume you spend way too much time “lifting weights”. Your being in shape may present them with their own body image issues they rather not deal with - even though they look just fine. Attraction is complex - it’s much more complex than some of you are making it. But hey, keep hope alive LOL.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I think some of you guys trying to convince yourself that “real women” like “big guys” are delusional and wishful thinkers. Sure, there is a segment of women that like that look, but many do not - and it has nothing to do with whether they are girls or women. People like what they like. And all the negative connotations are still there and need to be overcome. Unless they know you personally, they probably first assume you are less intelligent.

They may assume you are not professionally or well employed. They may assume you spend way too much time “lifting weights”. Your being in shape may present them with their own body image issues they rather not deal with - even though they look just fine. Attraction is complex - it’s much more complex than some of you are making it. But hey, keep hope alive LOL.[/quote]

There is a lot of truth to this. I myself an not a huge guy by any means, but when I was a freshman in college I befriended a very large guy. He took me and a few other guys under his wing in the gym and would give us technique advice and whatever else he thought would help us. He was north of 250 at probably 6’2". Anyways, One day a couple of us are shooting the shit with him and we are like, man you are so friggen huge, do you get more girls now than ever? His answer shocked all of us. Hell no he says. I got the most ass when I was only a little bigger than you guys. Probably around 210 or so, I was shredded and had abs, I could go to any club pretty much any night and the girls would be all over me. Now most chicks are flat out scared of me." Then he goes on to say. “but who fucking cares, you aren’t going to get as big as I am overnight, or even in a couple years, it took me 4 years to get this big and I trained my ass off (plus he had assistance), so keep craking the weights, and get huge because it’s awsome to be huge, thats why you do it not for girls.”

Anyways, so yea it’s not like he didn’t get any girls, and actually he was dating probably one of the hottest girls on campus at the time, so it’s not like he went from banging a new 10 every night to having to take the fat girl home at the end of the night.

V

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I think some of you guys trying to convince yourself that “real women” like “big guys” are delusional and wishful thinkers. Sure, there is a segment of women that like that look, but many do not - and it has nothing to do with whether they are girls or women. People like what they like. And all the negative connotations are still there and need to be overcome. Unless they know you personally, they probably first assume you are less intelligent.

They may assume you are not professionally or well employed. They may assume you spend way too much time “lifting weights”. Your being in shape may present them with their own body image issues they rather not deal with - even though they look just fine. Attraction is complex - it’s much more complex than some of you are making it. But hey, keep hope alive LOL.[/quote]

What the hell do you expect when we constantly get hit with “all women like skinny dudes with abs”? You are getting mad at the backlash against that and not at the reason for it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
I think some of you guys trying to convince yourself that “real women” like “big guys” are delusional and wishful thinkers. Sure, there is a segment of women that like that look, but many do not - and it has nothing to do with whether they are girls or women. People like what they like. And all the negative connotations are still there and need to be overcome. Unless they know you personally, they probably first assume you are less intelligent.

They may assume you are not professionally or well employed. They may assume you spend way too much time “lifting weights”. Your being in shape may present them with their own body image issues they rather not deal with - even though they look just fine. Attraction is complex - it’s much more complex than some of you are making it. But hey, keep hope alive LOL.

What the hell do you expect when we constantly get hit with “all women like skinny dudes with abs”? You are getting mad at the backlash against that and not at the reason for it.

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Not sure I care really. I do well professionally although back in the corporate world, I probably could have done better without the image. Women have never been a problem. I did quite well when I was a 190lb basketball player and I still do quite well. How do you quantify something like that unless you’ve turned yourself into some kind of side show freak which I have not? It does no good to be mad a perceptions. We all see the world thru the lense of our own experiences and prejudices - it’s human nature. I’ve always said the most powerful word in a man’s language as it concerns women is “next”.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Professor X wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
I think some of you guys trying to convince yourself that “real women” like “big guys” are delusional and wishful thinkers. Sure, there is a segment of women that like that look, but many do not - and it has nothing to do with whether they are girls or women. People like what they like. And all the negative connotations are still there and need to be overcome. Unless they know you personally, they probably first assume you are less intelligent.

They may assume you are not professionally or well employed. They may assume you spend way too much time “lifting weights”. Your being in shape may present them with their own body image issues they rather not deal with - even though they look just fine. Attraction is complex - it’s much more complex than some of you are making it. But hey, keep hope alive LOL.

What the hell do you expect when we constantly get hit with “all women like skinny dudes with abs”? You are getting mad at the backlash against that and not at the reason for it.

Not sure I care really. I do well professionally although back in the corporate world, I probably could have done better without the image. Women have never been a problem. I did quite well when I was a 190lb basketball player and I still do quite well. How do you quantify something like that unless you’ve turned yourself into some kind of side show freak which I have not? It does no good to be mad a perceptions. We all see the world thru the lense of our own experiences and prejudices - it’s human nature. I’ve always said the most powerful word in a man’s language as it concerns women is “next”.

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Let me clarify. When I was smaller and skinny, I still got attention. Girls thought I was quiet and “mysterious” (yes, I actually heard that several times). I’m WAY bigger now, possibly on the verge of what you see to consider “freakish” to some degree and I still get attention.

Yes, attraction is very complex and NO, how big your muscles are should not be the one defining factor in whether you get laid. I do well professionally as well and am actually fine with the idea that some women can’t guess what I do by looking at me. It saves me from dealing with more gold diggers.

My size gets me attention…much like my quiet reserve did before if for no other reason than they liked my eyes.

Anyone who actually believes abs are what sets apart getting laid from not getting laid is a fucking idiot…much like anyone who thinks 20" arms are the key to ass.

I can tell you that being this big is not a hindrance in that regard. They just stare more now…but they were intimidated before.

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LOL we agree sir. On the same page completely. Different but similar experiences.

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The funny thing is, the girls that WILL appreciate your physique (mainly because they also lift weights) are the ones with higher test (read: higher sex drive). The chicks that aren’t lifting are the ones who not only have lower test but also have blunted sex drives from the birth control that they are on, which ironically most are on because it controls their periods and does good things for their acne, not because they’re getting so much action that they want to avoid pregnancy.

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
The funny thing is, the girls that WILL appreciate your physique (mainly because they also lift weights) are the ones with higher test (read: higher sex drive). The chicks that aren’t lifting are the ones who not only have lower test but also have blunted sex drives from the birth control that they are on, which ironically most are on because it controls their periods and does good things for their acne, not because they’re getting so much action that they want to avoid pregnancy.[/quote]

Birth control is the devil. I’d rather not have sex than have a woman I cared about use it.

Thankfully there are other options.

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
The funny thing is, the girls that WILL appreciate your physique (mainly because they also lift weights) are the ones with higher test (read: higher sex drive). The chicks that aren’t lifting are the ones who not only have lower test but also have blunted sex drives from the birth control that they are on, which ironically most are on because it controls their periods and does good things for their acne, not because they’re getting so much action that they want to avoid pregnancy.[/quote]

my girlfriend has zero problems with this. she practically tackles me into bed every night, and she’s been on the pill for years.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
Professor X wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
I think some of you guys trying to convince yourself that “real women” like “big guys” are delusional and wishful thinkers. Sure, there is a segment of women that like that look, but many do not - and it has nothing to do with whether they are girls or women. People like what they like. And all the negative connotations are still there and need to be overcome. Unless they know you personally, they probably first assume you are less intelligent.

They may assume you are not professionally or well employed. They may assume you spend way too much time “lifting weights”. Your being in shape may present them with their own body image issues they rather not deal with - even though they look just fine. Attraction is complex - it’s much more complex than some of you are making it. But hey, keep hope alive LOL.

What the hell do you expect when we constantly get hit with “all women like skinny dudes with abs”? You are getting mad at the backlash against that and not at the reason for it.

Not sure I care really. I do well professionally although back in the corporate world, I probably could have done better without the image. Women have never been a problem. I did quite well when I was a 190lb basketball player and I still do quite well. How do you quantify something like that unless you’ve turned yourself into some kind of side show freak which I have not? It does no good to be mad a perceptions. We all see the world thru the lense of our own experiences and prejudices - it’s human nature. I’ve always said the most powerful word in a man’s language as it concerns women is “next”.

Let me clarify. When I was smaller and skinny, I still got attention. Girls thought I was quiet and “mysterious” (yes, I actually heard that several times). I’m WAY bigger now, possibly on the verge of what you see to consider “freakish” to some degree and I still get attention.

Yes, attraction is very complex and NO, how big your muscles are should not be the one defining factor in whether you get laid. I do well professionally as well and am actually fine with the idea that some women can’t guess what I do by looking at me. It saves me from dealing with more gold diggers.

My size gets me attention…much like my quiet reserve did before if for no other reason than they liked my eyes.

Anyone who actually believes abs are what sets apart getting laid from not getting laid is a fucking idiot…much like anyone who thinks 20" arms are the key to ass.

I can tell you that being this big is not a hindrance in that regard. They just stare more now…but they were intimidated before.[/quote]

You know Prof X i still think your mysterious :stuck_out_tongue: