[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Nobody has time to watch this shit. [/quote]
You’re a joke.[/quote]
You’re an idiot because you cannot make a valid argument to save your dick.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…that’s a pity, pat…[/quote]
Do you really think it would change my mind? Give me the 30 second version, what are they saying. I don’t have a hour to spend on something somebody on the internet wants me to do.[/quote]
Wow. Just wow.
How about you give me a convincing 20 second version of why God exists. Go on, I’m waiting.[/quote]
You can flip back through this thread and see for yourself, lazy ass.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…remember that article on the meteor full of organic matter? These people never read it:
Your point?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Pat,
This is what you stated: [quote]The U.S. is fundamentally secular, period.[/quote]
And that is not the case as I pointed out.[/quote]
In it’s expression, not necessarily personal belief.
Atheists, present your points better. Don’t just send pictures or links to sites and expect that to be proof. Explain it.
Christians, be more open-minded. Not all atheists post cruel posts. Usually, it’s the opposite.
Hajime!
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Pat,
This is what you stated: [quote]The U.S. is fundamentally secular, period.[/quote]
And that is not the case as I pointed out.[/quote]
In it’s expression, not necessarily personal belief.[/quote]
Pat, don’t you mean that we are simply not a theocracy? A theocracy is perfectly compatible with a high degree of religious affiliation, isn’t it?
And I hate to do this after just saying “don’t simply send videos”, but I have a video that I’ve liked for awhile. I’m not trying to prove a point, I just want others to see it cause I think it’s interesting.
Discuss on!
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
Atheists, present your points better. Don’t just send pictures or links to sites and expect that to be proof. Explain it.
Christians, be more open-minded. Not all atheists post cruel posts. Usually, it’s the opposite.
Hajime![/quote]
I don’t suppose you perused the last 30 pages?
Feel free to join in if you have something to add.
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
And I hate to do this after just saying “don’t simply send videos”, but I have a video that I’ve liked for awhile. I’m not trying to prove a point, I just want others to see it cause I think it’s interesting.
Discuss on![/quote]
At work, can’t watch videos. I seldom get on the computer at home since it’s what I do all day.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
Atheists, present your points better. Don’t just send pictures or links to sites and expect that to be proof. Explain it.
Christians, be more open-minded. Not all atheists post cruel posts. Usually, it’s the opposite.
Hajime![/quote]
I don’t suppose you perused the last 30 pages?
Feel free to join in if you have something to add.[/quote]
I remember seeing this thread awhile back. Unfortunately, I haven’t been following it as much as I like. The reason for my comment is that last few pages looked a bit hostile rather than focusing on the main issues.
I’ll keep following along from this point though and add where I can.
[quote]pat wrote:
“If you choose not do decide, you still have made a choice.” ~ Neil Peart who is an athiest, BTW. [/quote]
Free Will! Cool song.
Peart is a bad mofo on the drums.
BIA - I watched your 4 minute video and I know it was a waste of time. Belief in God takes faith!! God will not present himself directly and demand people to do his bidding. He loves human kind as a whole and gave each of us free will. I watched your link, so please read the below story ; )
I KNOW God exists, with more than 100% certainty. This is a story about myself so I know the facts to be true. On May 1st, '05 I was on a friend’s motorcycle and going to a body shop to help Charlie repaint a truck he rolled. We were watching MotoGP and after the races I was riding his bike. I broke the #3 crank bearing in my bike at a track day the fall before. I had just turned onto a ‘T’ in the road. A girl coming the opposite direction didn’t see me, or she thought she could make it. I don’t know and in reality I don’t care. She turned in front of me. I was flung off the bike and my R arm went through the windshield of the car. I broke my brachial plexus and without leather pants I have severe road rash on my R leg. The ‘best’ doctor in the NW was in Spokane flying on a route he runs every once in a while. He repaired my leg with muscle/tendons from my calf and a skin graft from my thigh. I had a helmet on, so that helped.
Now come the incredible details. I was in a coma for ~6 weeks. Coma’s are classified in three classes. Mild, moderate and severe. Want guess which one I fell into? Yup, severe. Every single doctor told my family to expect me to die during the first few weeks. I literally did nothing! I was a complete vegetable. My family was in my hospital room talking one morning. They were going to get something to eat for breakfast. As they filed out of my room my brother was the last one to leave the room.
“See you after we get some breakfast Eric.” I didn’t respond clearly, but everyone in the family knew I was responding to external stimuli. No one thought my life would continue and here I was making noise back to my brother!! The family was terribly excited. I remember just a few details over the next couple of months. I remember seeing my lab for the first time, she was a happy girl : ) I remember one of my cousin’s that came to see me with a bunch of his friends. Then the plane ride from Spokane to Boise was literally the most painful experience of my life!! My whole body was hurting. I had a “fresh head injury” yet my senses remain clear about thosr following ~35 min. OMG it hurt!!
Doctors have always been one to set restrictions on me and my family follows suit. I smash through every last fucking obstacle that people insist on putting before me. Don’t think I can do it? Just put the object in front of me and I will try until it is completed. I even surprise myself! ; ) I went back to college in '08 and am on track to graduate this spring. How many people thought I would be able to do that? None that I have talked to, not a single soul. Don’t tell me it was chance that caused me to survive. Let alone impress everyone that meets me. Don’t tell me God doesn’t exist. Use the brain matter in your head before you claim “There is no God and I can prove it with science, etc.” The craziest detail have yet to mention, I had NO medical insurance before the accident, yet it went active on May 1st.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I KNOW God exists, with more than 100% certainty. This is a story about myself so I know the facts to be true. On May 1st, '05 I was on a friend’s motorcycle and going to a body shop to help Charlie repaint a truck he rolled. We were watching MotoGP and after the races I was riding his bike. I broke the #3 crank bearing in my bike at a track day the fall before. I had just turned onto a ‘T’ in the road. A girl coming the opposite direction didn’t see me, or she thought she could make it. I don’t know and in reality I don’t care. She turned in front of me. I was flung off the bike and my R arm went through the windshield of the car. I broke my brachial plexus and without leather pants I have severe road rash on my R leg. The ‘best’ doctor in the NW was in Spokane flying on a route he runs every once in a while. He repaired my leg with muscle/tendons from my calf and a skin graft from my thigh. I had a helmet on, so that helped.
Now come the incredible details. I was in a coma for ~6 weeks. Coma’s are classified in three classes. Mild, moderate and severe. Want guess which one I fell into? Yup, severe. Every single doctor told my family to expect me to die during the first few weeks. I literally did nothing! I was a complete vegetable. My family was in my hospital room talking one morning. They were going to get something to eat for breakfast. As they filed out of my room my brother was the last one to leave the room.
“See you after we get some breakfast Eric.” I didn’t respond clearly, but everyone in the family knew I was responding to external stimuli. No one thought my life would continue and here I was making noise back to my brother!! The family was terribly excited. I remember just a few details over the next couple of months. I remember seeing my lab for the first time, she was a happy girl : ) I remember one of my cousin’s that came to see me with a bunch of his friends. Then the plane ride from Spokane to Boise was literally the most painful experience of my life!! My whole body was hurting. I had a “fresh head injury” yet my senses remain clear about thosr following ~35 min. OMG it hurt!!
Doctors have always been one to set restrictions on me and my family follows suit. I smash through every last fucking obstacle that people insist on putting before me. Don’t think I can do it? Just put the object in front of me and I will try until it is completed. I even surprise myself! ; ) I went back to college in '08 and am on track to graduate this spring. How many people thought I would be able to do that? None that I have talked to, not a single soul. Don’t tell me it was chance that caused me to survive. Let alone impress everyone that meets me. Don’t tell me God doesn’t exist. Use the brain matter in your head before you claim “There is no God and I can prove it with science, etc.” The craziest detail have yet to mention, I had NO medical insurance before the accident, yet it went active on May 1st.
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I’ll bite: What does this actually prove?
you say that God doesn’t exist, right? My story proves God does in fact exist. No one with any kind of medical background expected me to survive and yet here I am. How else would you explain it?
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
I’ll bite: What does this actually prove?[/quote]
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
you say that God doesn’t exist, right? My story proves God does in fact exist. No one with any kind of medical background expected me to survive and yet here I am. How else would you explain it?
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
I’ll bite: What does this actually prove?[/quote]
[/quote]
So if you didn’t survive, would that prove God doesn’t exist? Just because something happens that’s unexpected, doesn’t mean it’s super natural in nature.
Why change the events to fit your criteria? Changing the argument is something people who are pro-choice do. When are you going to beg the question? Ask MG for help in that department.
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
So if you didn’t survive, would that prove God doesn’t exist? Just because something happens that’s unexpected, doesn’t mean it’s super natural in nature.[/quote]
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Why change the events to fit your criteria? Changing the argument is something people who are pro-choice do. When are you going to beg the question? Ask MG for help in that department.
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
So if you didn’t survive, would that prove God doesn’t exist? Just because something happens that’s unexpected, doesn’t mean it’s super natural in nature.[/quote]
[/quote]
Wait, what question am I supposed to ask?
Yeah it’s hard to read above this post. How/why did I survive when not one doctor thought I would?
Is that clear enough for you?
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
Wait, what question am I supposed to ask?[/quote]
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Yeah it’s hard to read above this post. How/why did I survive when not one doctor thought I would?
Is that clear enough for you?
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
Wait, what question am I supposed to ask?[/quote]
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You probably survived because whatever damage was done to you that caused the coma started healing and resolving itself. Otherwise, you would have remained in the coma.
And here’s another question for anyone interested in answering:
Do you believe everything in the Bible? Why or why not?