…for those americans who can’t see the movie “Creation” about Charles Darwin’s life at the time he wrote “On the Origin of Species” because it wasn’t released for dubious reasons in the US, a link:
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Nice slogan, so what exactly is “doing what is right”? What is right and what makes it so? Kind of an important question isn’t it? I mean, how do you know you are “doing what is right” if you don’t know what “right” is?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
We hear the same Creationist arguments SO OFTEN, we decided to assemble our 10 favorites and address them here.
The be religious is not automatically to be a creationist. That doesn’t mean that things weren’t created, that means I don’t adhere to a literal translation of the bible. The Bible isn’t to be a book of facts, it is a book of truth. Sometimes it uses stories, sometimes it uses facts and sometimes it uses both.
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Nice slogan, so what exactly is “doing what is right”? What is right and what makes it so? Kind of an important question isn’t it? I mean, how do you know you are “doing what is right” if you don’t know what “right” is?[/quote]
…if, in a given situation, you have doubts about what is the right thing to do, step back, review the situation and think about the consequences for everyone involved. Then, you decide, based on your own understanding of what is fair and desired, what actions to undertake…
…if, after a while, you notice that the outcome of your decision leaves a lot to be desired, you learn from your mistake and make a different decision in the future. This is called “learning from your mistakes” or “live and learn”…
…another avenue might be refering to your elders for advice. I gladly admit one could distill sound advice from scripture if necessary, but scripture is far from perfect as the sole source of morality. Much of bronze age morality does not apply to modern day living, and even goes against modern laws…
…and then there are people who see the bible as literal truth, or as a work of allegory and parabel. You have your own opinion on the matter, and i have mine, and altough we both have not acted in a negative way based on our opinions of the bible, there are many who have, and still do:
Pat Robertson: Haiti “Cursed” After “Pact to the Devil”
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/13/crimesider/entry6092717.shtml
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[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
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Nice slogan, so what exactly is “doing what is right”? What is right and what makes it so? Kind of an important question isn’t it? I mean, how do you know you are “doing what is right” if you don’t know what “right” is?[/quote]
…if, in a given situation, you have doubts about what is the right thing to do, step back, review the situation and think about the consequences for everyone involved. Then, you decide, based on your own understanding of what is fair and desired, what actions to undertake…
…if, after a while, you notice that the outcome of your decision leaves a lot to be desired, you learn from your mistake and make a different decision in the future. This is called “learning from your mistakes” or “live and learn”…
…another avenue might be refering to your elders for advice. I gladly admit one could distill sound advice from scripture if necessary, but scripture is far from perfect as the sole source of morality. Much of bronze age morality does not apply to modern day living, and even goes against modern laws…
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Uh, well that’s rather arbitrary but ok.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…and then there are people who see the bible as literal truth, or as a work of allegory and parabel. You have your own opinion on the matter, and i have mine, and altough we both have not acted in a negative way based on our opinions of the bible, there are many who have, and still do:
Pat Robertson: Haiti “Cursed” After “Pact to the Devil”
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/13/crimesider/entry6092717.shtml[/quote]
People have also done incredible good based on their belief and interpretation of the Bible. Nobody has ever done any good based for anybody based on nothing at all.
People do bad shit based on all kinds of reasons…Do you really want to get into “whose done worse shit” argument again?
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[quote]ephrem wrote:
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Nice slogan, so what exactly is “doing what is right”? What is right and what makes it so? Kind of an important question isn’t it? I mean, how do you know you are “doing what is right” if you don’t know what “right” is?[/quote]
…if, in a given situation, you have doubts about what is the right thing to do, step back, review the situation and think about the consequences for everyone involved. Then, you decide, based on your own understanding of what is fair and desired, what actions to undertake…
…if, after a while, you notice that the outcome of your decision leaves a lot to be desired, you learn from your mistake and make a different decision in the future. This is called “learning from your mistakes” or “live and learn”…
…another avenue might be refering to your elders for advice. I gladly admit one could distill sound advice from scripture if necessary, but scripture is far from perfect as the sole source of morality. Much of bronze age morality does not apply to modern day living, and even goes against modern laws…
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Uh, well that’s rather arbitrary but ok.[/quote]
…yes, it is arbitrary, but i don’t know of any other way to come to real understanding of what is right and what is wrong if it’s not through trial and error. A normal, levelheaded person should be able to grasp the obvious, but in those cases where the line between right and wrong is diffuse, you can’t really know where you stand unless you made a choice…
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…and then there are people who see the bible as literal truth, or as a work of allegory and parabel. You have your own opinion on the matter, and i have mine, and altough we both have not acted in a negative way based on our opinions of the bible, there are many who have, and still do:
Pat Robertson: Haiti “Cursed” After “Pact to the Devil”
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/13/crimesider/entry6092717.shtml[/quote]
People have also done incredible good based on their belief and interpretation of the Bible. Nobody has ever done any good based for anybody based on nothing at all.
People do bad shit based on all kinds of reasons…Do you really want to get into “whose done worse shit” argument again? [/quote]
…no, i don’t. It shows how stupid people abuse religion to push their bias agendas. I know of no other meme that is able to influence people so extreme as religion does, and that holds real danger…
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…and then there are people who see the bible as literal truth, or as a work of allegory and parabel. You have your own opinion on the matter, and i have mine, and altough we both have not acted in a negative way based on our opinions of the bible, there are many who have, and still do:
Pat Robertson: Haiti “Cursed” After “Pact to the Devil”
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/13/crimesider/entry6092717.shtml[/quote]
People have also done incredible good based on their belief and interpretation of the Bible. Nobody has ever done any good based for anybody based on nothing at all.
People do bad shit based on all kinds of reasons…Do you really want to get into “whose done worse shit” argument again? [/quote]
I’d have to say Hitler the roman Catholic tops that list.
…so what is this all about?
Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.
How chaos theory can answer the question of where intelligent life originated from.
From the BBC’s The Secret Life of Chaos, part 1 of 6.
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[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…and then there are people who see the bible as literal truth, or as a work of allegory and parabel. You have your own opinion on the matter, and i have mine, and altough we both have not acted in a negative way based on our opinions of the bible, there are many who have, and still do:
Pat Robertson: Haiti “Cursed” After “Pact to the Devil”
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/13/crimesider/entry6092717.shtml[/quote]
People have also done incredible good based on their belief and interpretation of the Bible. Nobody has ever done any good based for anybody based on nothing at all.
People do bad shit based on all kinds of reasons…Do you really want to get into “whose done worse shit” argument again? [/quote]
I’d have to say Hitler the roman Catholic tops that list.[/quote]
Hitler was not catholic, he was an occultist. Just because his mother took him to a Catholic church did not make him catholic later in life. Besides that, if he were baptized Catholic, he was excommunicated based on his actions.
Besides, Stalin made him look like a chior boy, he was raised Catholic too, but performed as an atheist, whose goal was to purge the world disease of religion. So you could say in sense, you agree with him, the world would be better off without relgion. Nobody did more to forward their cause, except for maybe Mao. He was pretty nasty too. But keep in mind these people could not act alone, thousands of like minded people carried out their whims. I pretty sure very few of those people who were burning churches and shoot Catholic School children were people of religion.
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…no, i don’t. It shows how stupid people abuse religion to push their bias agendas. I know of no other meme that is able to influence people so extreme as religion does, and that holds real danger…
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Correct, people abuse the power of religion on the masses to support their own evil agendas. That’s not the same as saying religion is inherently evil as you suggest. As a matter a fact, it is the opposite. The basic tenets of most religions are the same love, respect, dignity, and charity. These are not evil things.
Look at Haiti, teaming with relgious organizations whose only agenda is to help people. Where is “athiests.org” or “thinkathiest.com”?
If your claiming that atheism does no harm, I can claim it does no good either. It helps no one…
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I don’t have time to watch all this shit. Does it explain where chaos itself came from? Which is actually a bogus name, it simply a theory that describes not all effects can be determined from a single cause. This is a human limitation not a limitation in causation. Not understanding the effects of a cause does not make it chaotic, it means we lack understanding of it’s fundamental mechanisms.
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[quote]ephrem wrote:
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Nice slogan, so what exactly is “doing what is right”? What is right and what makes it so? Kind of an important question isn’t it? I mean, how do you know you are “doing what is right” if you don’t know what “right” is?[/quote]
…if, in a given situation, you have doubts about what is the right thing to do, step back, review the situation and think about the consequences for everyone involved. Then, you decide, based on your own understanding of what is fair and desired, what actions to undertake…
…if, after a while, you notice that the outcome of your decision leaves a lot to be desired, you learn from your mistake and make a different decision in the future. This is called “learning from your mistakes” or “live and learn”…
…another avenue might be refering to your elders for advice. I gladly admit one could distill sound advice from scripture if necessary, but scripture is far from perfect as the sole source of morality. Much of bronze age morality does not apply to modern day living, and even goes against modern laws…
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Uh, well that’s rather arbitrary but ok.[/quote]
…yes, it is arbitrary, but i don’t know of any other way to come to real understanding of what is right and what is wrong if it’s not through trial and error. A normal, levelheaded person should be able to grasp the obvious, but in those cases where the line between right and wrong is diffuse, you can’t really know where you stand unless you made a choice…
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Right and wrong are not arbitrary. You are looking at behaviors as they partain to their effects on other people. But what does “right” actually mean? What does “wrong” actually mean? Not what does it look like when acted upon, but what does it actually mean…Their words we use, but understand little.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…no, i don’t. It shows how stupid people abuse religion to push their bias agendas. I know of no other meme that is able to influence people so extreme as religion does, and that holds real danger…
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Correct, people abuse the power of religion on the masses to support their own evil agendas. That’s not the same as saying religion is inherently evil as you suggest. As a matter a fact, it is the opposite. The basic tenets of most religions are the same love, respect, dignity, and charity. These are not evil things.
Look at Haiti, teaming with relgious organizations whose only agenda is to help people. Where is “athiests.org” or “thinkathiest.com”?
If your claiming that atheism does no harm, I can claim it does no good either. It helps no one…[/quote]
…institutionalized religion is a human invention though. An invention arguably designed to maintain a stronghold on the populace who were kept in the dark [read: illiterate]. Religion functioned like this for over a thousand years. It has been quite succesful, don’t you think?
Richard Dawkins has started up a charity called â??Non Believers Giving Aidâ?? so atheists can give to relief efforts in Haiti in a way which promulgates their atheism.
http://givingaid.richarddawkins.net/
Help save lives. Donate now. | Doctors Without Borders is secular
http://www.hollows.org/ founder was atheist
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=main&page=SHARE Secular Humanist Aid and Relief Effort, a 25-year old organization
…just to name a few. Btw Pat, if you have the time watch the BBC documentary i posted a couple of posts up. It’s very good and could shed some light on the “complexity from simplicity” paradox…
…that’s a pity Pat, because it does explain where chaos comes from. So do watch it, it’s only an hour or so…