[quote]NickViar wrote:
Why is USMC being questioned about whether or not he is willing to pay for “unwanted” children as if his money currently only goes toward those who choose to birth the children they conceive? He already pays for abortions. If he has to pay one way or the other, he might as well get to choose which.[/quote]
Paying taxes some of which may one day aid an abortion is the same as taking care of a kid until age 18?
This is a society.
Yes, it is a good question to ask what those against abortion plan to do with all of these kids no one wanted.
Wouldn’t we all? You don’t live in some type of utopian society though. Many parents can’t or won’t take care of their kids. Certainly many women who are going to get abortions can’t or won’t. An aborted baby is an unwanted baby plain and simple. It’s a shame more people won’t use contraceptives, but God and Jesus and laziness and all that.
I don’t think it’s stretching at all. In fact I think it’s quite hypocritical of others.
I’m pro-choice but one of the most hypocritical things is for far righties to complain about supporting children that are here that need it. I don’t see how someone can be pro-life AND small society when it comes to helping children with basic needs like education, health care, love, etc. Churches will step in (no they won’t enough). We have charities for that (not enough).
So kudos for being one of the few righties who is consistent on this issue. [/quote]
The strech was where I had to be in support of every single government program (geared towards kids) because of my position. Some I support other I do not.
I think pro-life and small society is 100% do-able provide we reprioritize what we spend money on. “Life” is right there in the consitution. Obama’s phones, for example, not so much.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
Why is USMC being questioned about whether or not he is willing to pay for “unwanted” children as if his money currently only goes toward those who choose to birth the children they conceive? He already pays for abortions. If he has to pay one way or the other, he might as well get to choose which.[/quote]
You’re right. His tax dollars should go up as if we get rid of abortions it will take a lot more money and resources to support the unwanted children than he is currently paying to perform abortions. [/quote]
Or, we could not spend money on the NSA reading my e-mails… or about 1,000 other things.
The strech was where I had to be in support of every single government program (geared towards kids) because of my position. Some I support other I do not.
I think pro-life and small society is 100% do-able provide we reprioritize what we spend money on. “Life” is right there in the consitution. Obama’s phones, for example, not so much. [/quote]
Of course you don’t have to be for every government program, but we sure as hell don’t see many conservatives here against abortion discussing the need for much of any government assistance.
I am strictly for people accepting responsibility for themselves. If you cant afford a child, don’t get pregnant. If you do get pregnant, accept responsibility for your actions. Like I said, if you cant handle that, there is a 100% guaranteed way to not get pregnant. If you get raped, go to the hospital and get your plan B to keep a pregnancy from occurring. Also there is always the option of putting the child up for adoption for the parents that cant afford to raise it.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I am strictly for people accepting responsibility for themselves. If you cant afford a child, don’t get pregnant. If you do get pregnant, accept responsibility for your actions. Like I said, if you cant handle that, there is a 100% guaranteed way to not get pregnant. If you get raped, go to the hospital and get your plan B to keep a pregnancy from occurring. Also there is always the option of putting the child up for adoption for the parents that cant afford to raise it. [/quote]
This isn’t reality.
What is reality is the guy getting drunk at a club and screwing a stripper who has a kid she decides not to get aborted so she ends up on welfare because daddy sells drugs and has a felony.
It is great to be for personal responsibility. I am for that too.
I am also for being a REALIST.
Condoms break and people have sex with no deep thought other than taking care of the immediate erection.
Those completely against abortion logically must be FOR taking care of these kids through government assistance…otherwise, why be against aborting them?
The strech was where I had to be in support of every single government program (geared towards kids) because of my position. Some I support other I do not.
I think pro-life and small society is 100% do-able provide we reprioritize what we spend money on. “Life” is right there in the consitution. Obama’s phones, for example, not so much.
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I was just assuming you supported education, health care, food, etc for unwanted children. You either support these programs currently or would like to reshape them in some way? You pretty much have to.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I am strictly for people accepting responsibility for themselves. If you cant afford a child, don’t get pregnant. If you do get pregnant, accept responsibility for your actions. Like I said, if you cant handle that, there is a 100% guaranteed way to not get pregnant. If you get raped, go to the hospital and get your plan B to keep a pregnancy from occurring. Also there is always the option of putting the child up for adoption for the parents that cant afford to raise it. [/quote]
So when two special needs kids who are high schoolers have a baby today they should go do what exactly? Become CEO’s?
Luckily it was as easy as don’t get pregnant! Problem solved people, just don’t get pregnant anyone if you can’t afford a child! Bam, unwanted pregnancies just got wiped out in America.
The strech was where I had to be in support of every single government program (geared towards kids) because of my position. Some I support other I do not.
I think pro-life and small society is 100% do-able provide we reprioritize what we spend money on. “Life” is right there in the consitution. Obama’s phones, for example, not so much. [/quote]
Of course you don’t have to be for every government program, but we sure as hell don’t see many conservatives here against abortion discussing the need for much of any government assistance.[/quote]
Like I said that’s what H Factor has done in the past and just did.
To me life > $ in this context. If we reprioritze what we spend tax revenue on, this wouldn’t be an issue. We all know; however, that abortion is not all aboout $'s.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
If the child is born and the child and mother are hungry, someone will likely feed them. If not, one or both may die-they will not be murdered. [/quote]
It doesn’t matter. They are still DEAD…and TWO now instead of only one.
You lost TWO LIVES because you were against aborting the fetus?
Like I said…ok with the deaths…as long as they don’t pull the trigger.
The strech was where I had to be in support of every single government program (geared towards kids) because of my position. Some I support other I do not.
I think pro-life and small society is 100% do-able provide we reprioritize what we spend money on. “Life” is right there in the consitution. Obama’s phones, for example, not so much. [/quote]
Of course you don’t have to be for every government program, but we sure as hell don’t see many conservatives here against abortion discussing the need for much of any government assistance.[/quote]
Like I said that’s what H Factor has done in the past and just did.
To me life > $ in this context. If we reprioritze what we spend tax revenue on, this wouldn’t be an issue. We all know; however, that abortion is not all aboout $'s. [/quote]
Well of course you’re for them or for reshaping them to some extent. That wasn’t a stretch or out of bounds or anything. You’re for feeding, educating, taking care of health issues for unwanted children so you’re FOR government assistance in those areas. Maybe you’d change some of them but you’re for the spirit of them.
The strech was where I had to be in support of every single government program (geared towards kids) because of my position. Some I support other I do not.
I think pro-life and small society is 100% do-able provide we reprioritize what we spend money on. “Life” is right there in the consitution. Obama’s phones, for example, not so much. [/quote]
Of course you don’t have to be for every government program, but we sure as hell don’t see many conservatives here against abortion discussing the need for much of any government assistance.[/quote]
Like I said that’s what H Factor has done in the past and just did.
To me life > $ in this context. If we reprioritze what we spend tax revenue on, this wouldn’t be an issue. We all know; however, that abortion is not all aboout $'s. [/quote]
None of this is black and white…but politics sure as hell does seem to treat these topics like they are.
People are AGAINST all abortions. That doesn’t even make any logical sense. Unless these same people are living their lives in an effort to save all of these children once they get here, what is right is allowing a human being to decide what to do with their own body.
I can’t get pregnant…but I know I sure wouldn’t want to be forced to carry a new life I didn’t want and wasn’t able to take care of…all because politics demanded it…and those same people won’t be there to help feed the kid after day two.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
Why is USMC being questioned about whether or not he is willing to pay for “unwanted” children as if his money currently only goes toward those who choose to birth the children they conceive? He already pays for abortions. If he has to pay one way or the other, he might as well get to choose which.[/quote]
You’re right. His tax dollars should go up as if we get rid of abortions it will take a lot more money and resources to support the unwanted children than he is currently paying to perform abortions. [/quote]
Or, we could not spend money on the NSA reading my e-mails… or about 1,000 other things. [/quote]
Good places to start. I’d start at the F35. Way more expensive than phones.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
What is reality is the guy getting drunk at a club and screwing a stripper who has a kid she decides not to get aborted so she ends up on welfare because daddy sells drugs and has a felony.
Condoms break and people have sex with no deep thought other than taking care of the immediate erection.
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What I don’t understand is why we excuse this type of behavior? Shouldn’t the above people be forced to pay for that child?
Some people are against abortion because it is murder plain and simple. At least in their and my eyes. I’m not as rigid as some, but 99% of the time an abortion is a selfish act.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Paying taxes some of which may one day aid an abortion is the same as taking care of a kid until age 18?
This is a society.
Yes, it is a good question to ask what those against abortion plan to do with all of these kids no one wanted.[/quote]
If I’m robbed, it doesn’t make that big of a difference if the robber takes $20 or $40 from my wallet.[/quote]
But…you weren’t robbed. You paid that to be a part of this society. You can always move to Canada and live in the woods by yourself.
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Also, if a mother can get rid of her unborn child without murdering it, then that’s fine. If she starves herself to the point the child dies, then so be it-I have no problem with that. I believe murder is wrong, not death.[/quote]
This makes no sense whatsoever.
Like I said, many here don’t even care about life…they just want to play semantics.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
Why is USMC being questioned about whether or not he is willing to pay for “unwanted” children as if his money currently only goes toward those who choose to birth the children they conceive? He already pays for abortions. If he has to pay one way or the other, he might as well get to choose which.[/quote]
You’re right. His tax dollars should go up as if we get rid of abortions it will take a lot more money and resources to support the unwanted children than he is currently paying to perform abortions. [/quote]
Or, we could not spend money on the NSA reading my e-mails… or about 1,000 other things. [/quote]
Good places to start. I’d start at the F35. Way more expensive than phones. [/quote]
Well you better figure out something else then because the F/A 18 is on it’s last leg. At least unlike phones, defense spending is in the constitution.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
What I don’t understand is why we excuse this type of behavior? Shouldn’t the above people be forced to pay for that child? [/quote]
The father has a felony record and can’t get a job to support the other 4 kids he has. The mother was a stripper who quit working when she got pregnant.
This is real life.
Real life is way more complicated than “let’s just let them take care of it”.
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Some people are against abortion because it is murder plain and simple. At least in their and my eyes. I’m not as rigid as some, but 99% of the time an abortion is a selfish act.[/quote]
To be against that “murder” but ok with ignoring the hardships of that kid’s LIFE once he gets here makes no sense and is long term damaging to society.