Abortion - No Matter What

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:
Here is a question for the anti-abortion crowd that they never seem to have an answer for. Who are going to take all these kids if abortion is done away with??[/quote]

Here’s a crazy thought, how about the people that create those kids.

and you’ll say, “Well a lot of them are poor and can’t afford them.”

and I’ll say, “Then garnish their wages for the next 18 years to pay for the kid(s).”

and you’ll say, “What if they don’t have a job/are on food stamps?”

and I’ll say, “Then throw them in a work camp or sterilize them.”

and you’ll say, “That’s barbaric, we can’t take their freedom away like that.”

and I’ll say, “We are taking a defenseless childs LIFE away not to mention their freedom so…”

and then insults will fly back and forth, if they haven’t already.

Man I just saved us like 45 minutes.
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Not my quote cunt.[/quote]

Well I got the insults part right anyway…

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[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Here is a question for the anti-abortion crowd that they never seem to have an answer for. Who are going to take all these kids if abortion is done away with??[/quote]
Blame this guy for the stupidity, it wasn’t me that said that rubbish.

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[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Here is a question for the anti-abortion crowd that they never seem to have an answer for. Who are going to take all these kids if abortion is done away with??[/quote]
Blame this guy for the stupidity, it wasn’t me that said that rubbish.[/quote]

I fixed it, it was a mistake.

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Here’s yet another issue that the anti-abortionists never seem to take into account.

From a purely ethical, moral and Christian point of view, abortions must remain available. (WTF?)

You see, in order to be saved and go to heaven, a person must choose to make the right decisions in life. Your salvation depends on your choices. If you choose poorly, you suffer in hell. Choose well, you gain salvation.

But what if you can’t choose anything? Then you cannot be saved and suffer in hell. Remember, the Christian view is that there’s no in between; its either salvation or damnation (Oh, and you have to choose Jesus too. I almost forgot that!) So what about the girl who gets pregnant and gives birth because she is not allowed to have an abortion? She gets absolutely NO CREDIT on her soul for that because there was no decision to make. No credit whatsoever.

If a person’s life is restricted to the point that she can ONLY do what Jesus demands, that person suffers eternal damnation because that person never made a choice for salvation. No credit points on her soul at all = damnation.

Now there’s a corollary to this to. If you enslave someone, obviously you suffer damnation also. After all, how can a slave owner who views people as property ever go to heaven? A slave owner restricts the ability of the slave so that the slave only can do certain things. That should be pretty obvious, right?

So it also applies to antiabortionists, like tedro and others, who want to enslave women, but just a little bit of enslavement. By preventing women from MAKING CHOICES, that is, only doing the activities the antiabortionists approve of, they are PREVENTING WOMEN FROM CHOOSING SALVATION.

What could possibly be a worse crime than preventing someone from being saved? Even murder pales to that. At least a murder victim moves on to judgement at the Pearly Gates. But preventing a person from choosing to be saved is absolutely horrific. The people who prevent choices are the ones who will, without a doubt, suffer eternal damnation.

Well, this was fun…

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Well this is a productive thread (seriously). So far 2 viable solutions have been offered which is progress in these types of debates.

  1. Execute prisoners to free up funds to take care of these unwanted children, since lack of money is the ONLY reason people get abortions.

  2. Force their parents in labor camps to “earn money” to pay for their children that someone else still needs to take care of. I guess the children can just go live in the camps too so they can be with their parents which is best for them.

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[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Here is a question for the anti-abortion crowd that they never seem to have an answer for. Who are going to take all these kids if abortion is done away with??[/quote]

Have you ever noticed that you never see anti-abortionists outside a clinic offering to support the mothers during pregnancy and then adopt the babies afterwards?

Protest, carry signs, sure. Raise the babies? Never!

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[quote]yorik wrote:
Here’s yet another issue that the anti-abortionists never seem to take into account.

From a purely ethical, moral and Christian point of view, abortions must remain available. (WTF?)

You see, in order to be saved and go to heaven, a person must choose to make the right decisions in life. Your salvation depends on your choices. If you choose poorly, you suffer in hell. Choose well, you gain salvation.

But what if you can’t choose anything? Then you cannot be saved and suffer in hell. Remember, the Christian view is that there’s no in between; its either salvation or damnation (Oh, and you have to choose Jesus too. I almost forgot that!) So what about the girl who gets pregnant and gives birth because she is not allowed to have an abortion? She gets absolutely NO CREDIT on her soul for that because there was no decision to make. No credit whatsoever.

If a person’s life is restricted to the point that she can ONLY do what Jesus demands, that person suffers eternal damnation because that person never made a choice for salvation. No credit points on her soul at all = damnation.

Now there’s a corollary to this to. If you enslave someone, obviously you suffer damnation also. After all, how can a slave owner who views people as property ever go to heaven? A slave owner restricts the ability of the slave so that the slave only can do certain things. That should be pretty obvious, right?

So it also applies to antiabortionists, like tedro and others, who want to enslave women, but just a little bit of enslavement. By preventing women from MAKING CHOICES, that is, only doing the activities the antiabortionists approve of, they are PREVENTING WOMEN FROM CHOOSING SALVATION.

What could possibly be a worse crime than preventing someone from being saved? Even murder pales to that. At least a murder victim moves on to judgement at the Pearly Gates. But preventing a person from choosing to be saved is absolutely horrific. The people who prevent choices are the ones who will, without a doubt, suffer eternal damnation.

Well, this was fun…[/quote]

This is not accurate at all. Credit on her soul, what are you talking about?

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[quote]yorik wrote:

[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Here is a question for the anti-abortion crowd that they never seem to have an answer for. Who are going to take all these kids if abortion is done away with??[/quote]

Have you ever noticed that you never see anti-abortionists outside a clinic offering to support the mothers during pregnancy and then adopt the babies afterwards?

Protest, carry signs, sure. Raise the babies? Never![/quote]

People that are against abortion never adopt, really?

Serious question here, why should I support someone I don’t know because they chose to get pregnant?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]yorik wrote:

[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Here is a question for the anti-abortion crowd that they never seem to have an answer for. Who are going to take all these kids if abortion is done away with??[/quote]

Have you ever noticed that you never see anti-abortionists outside a clinic offering to support the mothers during pregnancy and then adopt the babies afterwards?

Protest, carry signs, sure. Raise the babies? Never![/quote]

People that are against abortion never adopt, really?

Serious question here, why should I support someone I don’t know because they chose to get pregnant?
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Are you willing to support their children with your tax dollars? Whether they chose to get pregnant or it was an accident is irrelevant. A baby was born. How much money/time/resources are YOU willing to spend to make sure these innocent children have access to health care, education, love, etc.? Or are these kids just deserving of being born, not having a life worth living and the protection that SOMEONE must provide for them.

After all they are unwanted.

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How many of you who are anti-abortion would keep the child if you were pregnant?

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]yorik wrote:

[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Here is a question for the anti-abortion crowd that they never seem to have an answer for. Who are going to take all these kids if abortion is done away with??[/quote]

Have you ever noticed that you never see anti-abortionists outside a clinic offering to support the mothers during pregnancy and then adopt the babies afterwards?

Protest, carry signs, sure. Raise the babies? Never![/quote]

People that are against abortion never adopt, really?

Serious question here, why should I support someone I don’t know because they chose to get pregnant?
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Are you willing to support their children with your tax dollars? Whether they chose to get pregnant or it was an accident is irrelevant. A baby was born. How much money/time/resources are YOU willing to spend to make sure these innocent children have access to health care, education, love, etc.? Or are these kids just deserving of being born, not having a life worth living and the protection that SOMEONE must provide for them.

After all they are unwanted.
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I already support many of these children with my tax dollars. I would prefer not to. I would prefer people take responsibility for their actions. Something that will never happen, I know.

To answer your question more succinctly. Yes I am willing to subsidize a childâ??s existence if it mean they aren’t executed because they’re an ut oh. I sure as shit don’t want to, but it’s better than murder imo.

Here is the disconnect, any life is better than no life in my opinion. Take T-Nation poster AngryChicken for example (I’m using him because his story has come out before and has been talked about in recent days here). He had a pretty rough childhood, made some mistakes, and paid for them. Now he’s a successful member of society and by all accounts happy. Do you think he would of preferred to be aborted because his childhood wasn’t a good one? I seriously doubt it.

It’s also irrelevant if they are unwanted. Rapist’s are unwanted and we don’t kill them.

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What amazes me (actually it doesn’t) is how there are posters who talk about the sanctity of life in regard to a fetus who then talk about shooting illegals as they cross the border. Some of them are not only women and kids but also pregnant women. These same posters are against welfare but want a poor, uneducated teen to keep a baby that can only survive via welfare.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
What amazes me (actually it doesn’t) is how there are posters who talk about the sanctity of life in regard to a fetus who then talk about shooting illegals as they cross the border. Some of them are not only women and kids but also pregnant women. These same posters are against welfare but want a poor, uneducated teen to keep a baby that can only survive via welfare. [/quote]

Well, not just that…in other threads they are ok with the loss of life that would happen if insurance and Welfare was done away with completely and you had to rely on “charities” for health care if you couldn’t afford it.

At all times, there are those who seem to yell about the sanctity of life when the truth is, they are just fine with people not being here anymore…They just don’t want to be the one pulling the trigger.

All of those extra kids will be on welfare also.

Don’t defend their life…and then leave them to die once they get here.

Be real and consistent.

Someone who was truly against all abortion wouldn’t be ok with doing away with the welfare that would take care of them once they get here.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]yorik wrote:

[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Here is a question for the anti-abortion crowd that they never seem to have an answer for. Who are going to take all these kids if abortion is done away with??[/quote]

Have you ever noticed that you never see anti-abortionists outside a clinic offering to support the mothers during pregnancy and then adopt the babies afterwards?

Protest, carry signs, sure. Raise the babies? Never![/quote]

People that are against abortion never adopt, really?

Serious question here, why should I support someone I don’t know because they chose to get pregnant?
[/quote]

Are you willing to support their children with your tax dollars? Whether they chose to get pregnant or it was an accident is irrelevant. A baby was born. How much money/time/resources are YOU willing to spend to make sure these innocent children have access to health care, education, love, etc.? Or are these kids just deserving of being born, not having a life worth living and the protection that SOMEONE must provide for them.

After all they are unwanted.
[/quote]

I already support many of these children with my tax dollars. I would prefer not to. I would prefer people take responsibility for their actions. Something that will never happen, I know.

To answer your question more succinctly. Yes I am willing to subsidize a childâ??s existence if it mean they aren’t executed because they’re an ut oh. I sure as shit don’t want to, but it’s better than murder imo.

Here is the disconnect, any life is better than no life in my opinion. Take T-Nation poster AngryChicken for example (I’m using him because his story has come out before and has been talked about in recent days here). He had a pretty rough childhood, made some mistakes, and paid for them. Now he’s a successful member of society and by all accounts happy. Do you think he would of preferred to be aborted because his childhood wasn’t a good one? I seriously doubt it.

It’s also irrelevant if they are unwanted. Rapist’s are unwanted and we don’t kill them.

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So you’re a big supporter publicly of programs like Head Start, free and reduced lunches, the public school system, and increasing children’s access to healthcare via government programs? How about SNAP? You don’t want children to go hungry do you? I’m sure you’ve been in a lot of threads talking about how we don’t want to reduce food stamps because it may affect impoverished kids right?

I can only assume that since you want unwanted children to have access to all these things you’ve been backing up programs like these all over PWI and talking about how the government should be making sure we have enough money to fund programs like these?

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
What amazes me (actually it doesn’t) is how there are posters who talk about the sanctity of life in regard to a fetus who then talk about shooting illegals as they cross the border. Some of them are not only women and kids but also pregnant women. These same posters are against welfare but want a poor, uneducated teen to keep a baby that can only survive via welfare. [/quote]

I hope that’s not direct at me. I gave Ryu shit for his “shoot illegals as they cross” comment.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]yorik wrote:

[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Here is a question for the anti-abortion crowd that they never seem to have an answer for. Who are going to take all these kids if abortion is done away with??[/quote]

Have you ever noticed that you never see anti-abortionists outside a clinic offering to support the mothers during pregnancy and then adopt the babies afterwards?

Protest, carry signs, sure. Raise the babies? Never![/quote]

People that are against abortion never adopt, really?

Serious question here, why should I support someone I don’t know because they chose to get pregnant?
[/quote]

Are you willing to support their children with your tax dollars? Whether they chose to get pregnant or it was an accident is irrelevant. A baby was born. How much money/time/resources are YOU willing to spend to make sure these innocent children have access to health care, education, love, etc.? Or are these kids just deserving of being born, not having a life worth living and the protection that SOMEONE must provide for them.

After all they are unwanted.
[/quote]

I already support many of these children with my tax dollars. I would prefer not to. I would prefer people take responsibility for their actions. Something that will never happen, I know.

To answer your question more succinctly. Yes I am willing to subsidize a childÃ?¢??s existence if it mean they aren’t executed because they’re an ut oh. I sure as shit don’t want to, but it’s better than murder imo.

Here is the disconnect, any life is better than no life in my opinion. Take T-Nation poster AngryChicken for example (I’m using him because his story has come out before and has been talked about in recent days here). He had a pretty rough childhood, made some mistakes, and paid for them. Now he’s a successful member of society and by all accounts happy. Do you think he would of preferred to be aborted because his childhood wasn’t a good one? I seriously doubt it.

It’s also irrelevant if they are unwanted. Rapist’s are unwanted and we don’t kill them.

[/quote]

So you’re a big supporter publicly of programs like Head Start, free and reduced lunches, the public school system, and increasing children’s access to healthcare via government programs? How about SNAP? You don’t want children to go hungry do you? I’m sure you’ve been in a lot of threads talking about how we don’t want to reduce food stamps because it may affect impoverished kids right?

I can only assume that since you want unwanted children to have access to all these things you’ve been backing up programs like these all over PWI and talking about how the government should be making sure we have enough money to fund programs like these? [/quote]

See this is why I normally just ignore you. You always, and I mean always, have to strech everything written as far as you possibly can. The bottom line is, if my choice is to pay for a life or take a life, in this context, I would chose to pay for life. There are a thousand other things I’d rather my tax dollars go toward, but I’d also like the people that created that life to take responsibility for it. A pipe dream I know.

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Wouldn’t we all? You don’t live in some type of utopian society though. Many parents can’t or won’t take care of their kids. Certainly many women who are going to get abortions can’t or won’t. An aborted baby is an unwanted baby plain and simple.

I don’t think it’s stretching at all. In fact I think it’s quite hypocritical of others.

I’m pro-choice but one of the most hypocritical things is for far righties to complain about supporting children that are here that need it. I don’t see how someone can be pro-life AND small society when it comes to helping children with basic needs like education, health care, love, etc. Churches will step in (no they won’t enough). We have charities for that (not enough).

So kudos for being one of the few righties who is consistent on this issue.

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Why is USMC being questioned about whether or not he is willing to pay for “unwanted” children as if his money currently only goes toward those who choose to birth the children they conceive? He already pays for abortions. If he has to pay one way or the other, he might as well get to choose which.

One can certainly support small government and oppose legalized abortion. If government has a purpose, then certainly it is protecting the rights of its citizens. If one believes an unborn child is an unborn child, then one can be consistent while believing that child’s life should be legally protected.

If the child is born and the child and mother are hungry, someone will likely feed them. If not, one or both may die-they will not be murdered.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:
Why is USMC being questioned about whether or not he is willing to pay for “unwanted” children as if his money currently only goes toward those who choose to birth the children they conceive? He already pays for abortions. If he has to pay one way or the other, he might as well get to choose which.[/quote]

You’re right. His tax dollars should go up as if we get rid of abortions it will take a lot more money and resources to support the unwanted children than he is currently paying to perform abortions.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

Wouldn’t we all? You don’t live in some type of utopian society though. Many parents can’t or won’t take care of their kids. Certainly many women who are going to get abortions can’t or won’t. An aborted baby is an unwanted baby plain and simple. It’s a shame more people won’t use contraceptives, but God and Jesus and laziness and all that.

I don’t think it’s stretching at all. In fact I think it’s quite hypocritical of others.

I’m pro-choice but one of the most hypocritical things is for far righties to complain about supporting children that are here that need it. I don’t see how someone can be pro-life AND small society when it comes to helping children with basic needs like education, health care, love, etc. Churches will step in (no they won’t enough). We have charities for that (not enough).

So kudos for being one of the few righties who is consistent on this issue. [/quote]

I have to agree here.

Screaming for guns for all and shooting foreigners who come into the country…and screaming about how you hate people bumming off of welfare…and how you hate to pay for people who don’t work…is about as hypocritical as you can get if you turn around and scream, “abortion is murder and no one should do it”.

You only get act like that if you plan to take care of all of these kids.