I have read some on a thread of nootropics here, and have been reading on all the newbie AAS stickys trying to learn as much as I can, thinking of taking the plunge and doing my first cycle this summer but not until I know more.
But to the point, I am currently prescribed and take Adderall 20 mg XR and am very curious what combining steroids and something like adderall will do to my HTPA systems, if anything? Not sure if this is even a smart question, but curious all the same, if there’s anyone that knows…thanks in advance.
I’ll have to see what he says, but I’ll give it a try.
Thank you for the advice. Had no idea that adderall was taking me backwards in the gym…i guess. Sure did wonders for my grades though.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Adderall is not IMO a true nootropic. In fact it is an anti-nootropic because it elevates cortisol and cortisol atrophies the hippocampus.
Cortisol also impairs the acute function of hippocampal neurons, reducing the ability to retain detailed meories and information.
All it does is motivate you to study/focus for a short time.
Since testosterone is antagonistic to cortisol, the use of test may offer some degree of protection against the deleterous effects of chronic cortisol/adderall exposure, but probably won’t do much for the acute memory issues.
Ditch the adderall and switch to provigil/modafinil. If you can get a script for adderall, you should be able to convince the doc to 'scribe moda.
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Long Term Effects or even Short Term? Do we see problems with use say once a week, once a month? Very interesting subject.
Thank you Bushido, I’m looking into provigil and modafinil before I go to my dr. to see if he will switch me to one of those.
edit: sorry, they are the same thing. Shoulda looked that up before I typed that.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I think it depends largely on the individual physiology (enzyme profile) of the individual. Their methylation abilities and glutathione levels as well as individual tolerance to oxidative stress. Hippocampal size and synaptic density will also play a significant part in resistance to catecholamine-induce degredation.
All in my opinion of course 
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Thanks BBB, another knowledge bomb from one of the best.
Heres my question now. What effects do you think all of the stress in general from hitting the books all day and prepping for tests has on the hippocampus. Being in the medical field yourself, you know what it takes to be successful in your studies. Most students, myself included need very very high scores on tests to get into med school or grad school. The long hours of studying and freaking out about every little thing cannot possibly have any positive benefits either. I swear my cortisol must be spiked daily. Either from test anxiety, or some other school related bullshit. I wonder if sometimes the stress from school could have even more negative effects than simply taking the aderall to help you prepare and study.
Not choosing sides either way here, and i by no means disagree with what your saying. Just a couple of thoughts i figured i would add in.
Thanks Bushy. I have been doing my research
Questions : Is Moda available without a script? From the way its described in the above thread i understand that it does not have any effect on Ep and Nor Ep so it doesn’t mess with your heart rate.
See my major problem right now is that the second caffeine touches my body my heart goes nuts.I used to have a crazy tolerance but i guess all the stress just got to me. Throw any form of amphetamine in that mix and its a recipe for a heart attack. My heart certainly doesnt feel 21.
I would like to try that Moda with finals approaching, from what i’ve heard it may be just what i need. How about the Bacopa? Does it effect heart rate ? how does it compare to the Moda? Which nootropics dont effect heart rate?
Sorry if thats too many questions.
If you take a higher dose of Adrafinil can you achieve the same effects as with Moda? Im sure moda can still be obtained despite the restriction?