Define full blood panel, are you going to a vet that specializes in TRT?? Is the vet actually the one that will be perscribing the drugs? Are you going to get his blood panel checked regularly. What tests will this blood panel include??
It’s a good thing that the testes produce absolutely exact amounts of testosterone, as a slightly wrong amount is just disastrous.
Myself, I always make sure to advise the testes of my latest blood results so they can adjust their production accordingly.
The left nut doesn’t seem to pay good attention when I explain the labs though: it may need Adderall.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
It’s a good thing that the testes produce absolutely exact amounts of testosterone, as a slightly wrong amount is just disastrous.
Myself, I always make sure to advise the testes of my latest blood test results so they can adjust their production accordingly.[/quote]
LOL I hear that
For fuck’s sake, some of you people have no business owning pets. I hate to sound like a douche, but really, OP, let your dog live out his life as a dog. Quit worrying about stupid shit like pumping him full of chemicals. Don’t take him to the vet for full blood work. You are worried about his behavior so you want to take him to the vet to be poked and prodded and then possibly injected with chemicals? What sense does that make?
Listen to BodyGuard’s advice and leave your dog alone.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
You clearly have a lot to learn about the medical profession and its general lack of understanding of TRT.
For example many Drs won’t even acknowledge the role of estrogen in the male body. I consult with one poor fellow whose TRT has been all over the shop, simply because his fucking ‘expert’ (as you seem to think) believes that estrogen management is a waste of time.[/quote]
I may have a lot to learn, but maybe not as much as you think. I acknowledged MOST doctors lack of understanding of TRT when I said that MOST doctors wont even perscribe compounded perscriptions. The reason most wont is because they don’t truly understand TRT and how much it can improve a persons life.
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Literally eveyone on this site who has ther vaguest inkling of how a successful TRT protocol should be run, knows it must be inclusive of an AI.
So from that one example, can you not see that people who read and study something may well be more informed than the ‘experts’ (as accepted by the sheeple) and that your default setting of ‘doctor supervision’ may do more harm than good.
BBB[/quote]
You seem to be building a straw man arguement here. I never said he should go to a doctor, once again I mentioned that MOST doctors don’t know anything about TRT. Thats where an endocronologist comes in, even then you have to be picky about which endo you go to since not all endo’s are created equal. My arguement was that he should not Guesstimate dosages and try to perscribe meds he knows nothing about to a dog who’s hormonal levels he knows nothing about. You should know that not only are not all doctors created equal, but not all blood panels are created equal. He can’t simply go to a vet and say hey I want a blood panel done, or even tell the vet he wants his hormone levels checked, because most vets are going to order the most basic tests they can. He needs to be specific and ask for the exact tests he wants, and from those results, compare them to what his levels should be, then IF he finds any discrepencies he needs to perscribe him the PROPER medication for whatever problem he may have, and he needs to get the dosage right and get him checked periodically to see how his body reacts.
But your right, who needs a vet for all that.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
For fuck’s sake, some of you people have no business owning pets. I hate to sound like a douche, but really, OP, let your dog live out his life as a dog. Quit worrying about stupid shit like pumping him full of chemicals. Don’t take him to the vet for full blood work. You are worried about his behavior so you want to take him to the vet to be poked and prodded and then possibly injected with chemicals? What sense does that make?
Listen to BodyGuard’s advice and leave your dog alone.
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There are valid points on both sides of this argument.
This is how I see it, feel free to disagree.
1.) Moderate to high levels of testosterone have been shown in humans to improve mood, vigor and overall well-being. Go on pubmed, page after page of articles on this.
2.) Conversely, low levels of testosterone have been shown to do just the opposite in humans…weakness, lethargy, and lack of motivation.
3.) Dogs and humans have undeniable similarities in their endocrine systems. The dog used to be vital and full of energy, and has become weak, lethargic and demotivated due to having his little doggie balls removed. It seems reasonable that lack of testosterone may be the primary factor in this.
Ideally, a trained vet could determine this and treat it. Unfortunately, TRT is relatively new even in humans, and as BBB correctly pointed out, even medical “experts” can be painfully clueless about it. There is no way a vet is going to give your dog testosterone, and I assure you the blood panel he is having done wont even measure his T levels.
Best case scenario in giving your dog a reasonable dose of testosterone: he becomes active, happy and is able to enjoy his remaining years instead of slowly withering away in a dark corner.
Worst case scenario: Nothing happens. Testosterone isn’t going to make his paws fall off. (this is presupposing you know how to use sterile injection technique)
You aren’t “pumping him full of chemicals”. It’s not like you’re mainlining methamphetamine in the old guy…you’re not even making him superphysiological…you’re RESTORING his BASELINE testosterone levels…you know, the ones he had before his nuts were unceremoniously lopped off. This “chemical” is one that his balls would be pumping out every minute, if they were still attached to his body. If your dog had diabetes, would anyone have any qualms about pumping him full of a little hormone called insulin? (Yes, I realize low-T isn’t going to kill him, just trying to illustrate a point).
From my viewpoint, if I had the ability to improve my pet’s quality of life, using a hormone that they should be producing anyway, I’d do it in a heartbeat.
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
For fuck’s sake, some of you people have no business owning pets. I hate to sound like a douche, but really, OP, let your dog live out his life as a dog. Quit worrying about stupid shit like pumping him full of chemicals. Don’t take him to the vet for full blood work. You are worried about his behavior so you want to take him to the vet to be poked and prodded and then possibly injected with chemicals? What sense does that make?
Listen to BodyGuard’s advice and leave your dog alone.
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There are valid points on both sides of this argument.
This is how I see it, feel free to disagree.
1.) Moderate to high levels of testosterone have been shown in humans to improve mood, vigor and overall well-being. Go on pubmed, page after page of articles on this.
2.) Conversely, low levels of testosterone have been shown to do just the opposite in humans…weakness, lethargy, and lack of motivation.
3.) Dogs and humans have undeniable similarities in their endocrine systems. The dog used to be vital and full of energy, and has become weak, lethargic and demotivated due to having his little doggie balls removed. It seems reasonable that lack of testosterone may be the primary factor in this.
Ideally, a trained vet could determine this and treat it. Unfortunately, TRT is relatively new even in humans, and as BBB correctly pointed out, even medical “experts” can be painfully clueless about it. There is no way a vet is going to give your dog testosterone, and I assure you the blood panel he is having done wont even measure his T levels.
Best case scenario in giving your dog a reasonable dose of testosterone: he becomes active, happy and is able to enjoy his remaining years instead of slowly withering away in a dark corner.
Worst case scenario: Nothing happens. Testosterone isn’t going to make his paws fall off. (this is presupposing you know how to use sterile injection technique)
You aren’t “pumping him full of chemicals”. It’s not like you’re mainlining methamphetamine in the old guy…you’re not even making him superphysiological…you’re RESTORING his BASELINE testosterone levels…you know, the ones he had before his nuts were unceremoniously lopped off. This “chemical” is one that his balls would be pumping out every minute, if they were still attached to his body. If your dog had diabetes, would anyone have any qualms about pumping him full of a little hormone called insulin? (Yes, I realize low-T isn’t going to kill him, just trying to illustrate a point).
From my viewpoint, if I had the ability to improve my pet’s quality of life, using a hormone that they should be producing anyway, I’d do it in a heartbeat.
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The “beetus” is one thing, especially if it can lead to the death of the pet if not addressed. But to use TRT on a pet because he appears to be unhappy (even though the OP probably can’t substantiate that) seems unfair to the pet. Isn’t the dog around the age of 13?
I have two old dogs (one female, one male) that are about the same age as the OP’s dog. All they pretty much do is eat, sleep, and shit. 13 in dog years is pretty fucking old. When I’m old as dirt, that will probably be all I do too.
I think that if the pet had been neutered at a relatively young age and was behaving like this then TRT would make more sense, but not for a dog in the last years of his life.
This thread, combined with the other on overcoming mediocrity, has inspired me.
My young kitten lives a trivial life, completely devoid of meaning. He squanders his days playing with yarn, napping and eating the food I give him. He SHOULD be working on his MBA, reading the likes of Faulkner and Dostoevsky, and packing on heaping slabs of lean muscle mass.
As such, I’ve decided to put “Mr. Mittens” on a conservative starting dose of 1000mg of Sustanon per week. I gave him 250mg per limb this morning. He verbally objected to the delt injections. “Meow!”, he was heard to remark, while taking a vicious swipe at me with his paw. I reminded him that pain is merely weakness leaving the body, and that if he were ever to aspire past a life of “being average” he’d have to endure some hardships. He understood. “Meow”, he said.
As I write this, I’m welding together a weighted sled that he will drag around for his waking hours. His burden will prove to be his salvation. I’m going to start with a 45 pound plate on the back of it, working my way up in 10 lb increments as his quads start to develop.
I’m also knitting him a weighted vest, so he can do Tabatas and other energy-system work. He’ll be huge, ripped, and functional. Interwoven into his vest are pockets that can be stuffed with lead weights and rolls of coins…whatever will do the job.
Here is his starting photo. I’ll post weekly progress updates…
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
This thread, combined with the other on overcoming mediocrity, has inspired me.
My young kitten lives a trivial life, completely devoid of meaning. He squanders his days playing with yarn, napping and eating the food I give him. He SHOULD be working on his MBA, reading the likes of Faulkner and Dostoevsky, and packing on heaping slabs of lean muscle mass.
As such, I’ve decided to put “Mr. Mittens” on a conservative starting dose of 1000mg of Sustanon per week. I gave him 250mg per limb this morning. He verbally objected to the delt injections. “Meow!”, he was heard to remark, while taking a vicious swipe at me with his paw. I reminded him that pain is merely weakness leaving the body, and that if he were ever to aspire past a life of “being average” he’d have to endure some hardships. He understood. “Meow”, he said.
As I write this, I’m welding together a weighted sled that he will drag around for his waking hours. His burden will prove to be his salvation. I’m going to start with a 45 pound plate on the back of it, working my way up in 10 lb increments as his quads start to develop.
I’m also knitting him a weighted vest, so he can do Tabatas and other energy-system work. He’ll be huge, ripped, and functional. Interwoven into his vest are pockets that can be stuffed with lead weights and rolls of coins…whatever will do the job.
Here is his starting photo. I’ll post weekly progress updates…[/quote]
That would be so awesome, yet so wrong.
You should pitch that idea to MTV.
[quote]fraggle wrote:
That would be so awesome, yet so wrong.
You should pitch that idea to MTV.[/quote]
“Kranked Kitty”, LOL
Nah, too high-brow for the target audience of MTV. Even though the little guy is partial to scooping and flinging his feces out of his litter box, he’s still quite a bit brighter than “Ronnie” from Jersey Shore.
So at what age would we not give trt to a human? And we are not talking about someone with low-T we are talking about NO-T, castrated for whatever reason. what if he was 60 ? 70? 80? 90? 100?
if it can improve his quality of life and protect his health why would you not?
the benefits far outweigh any risks IMO
unfair to the dog? if i was a dog i could only hope my owner was so unfair.
[quote]cementhedd wrote:
So at what age would we not give trt to a human? And we are not talking about someone with low-T we are talking about NO-T, castrated for whatever reason. what if he was 60 ? 70? 80? 90? 100?
if it can improve his quality of life and protect his health why would you not?
the benefits far outweigh any risks IMO
unfair to the dog? if i was a dog i could only hope my owner was so unfair.
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ouch
…leaves with tail between legs
[quote]cementhedd wrote:
ouch
…leaves with tail between legs[/quote]
Just breaking balls.
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
This thread, combined with the other on overcoming mediocrity, has inspired me.
My young kitten lives a trivial life, completely devoid of meaning. He squanders his days playing with yarn, napping and eating the food I give him. He SHOULD be working on his MBA, reading the likes of Faulkner and Dostoevsky, and packing on heaping slabs of lean muscle mass.
As such, I’ve decided to put “Mr. Mittens” on a conservative starting dose of 1000mg of Sustanon per week. I gave him 250mg per limb this morning. He verbally objected to the delt injections. “Meow!”, he was heard to remark, while taking a vicious swipe at me with his paw. I reminded him that pain is merely weakness leaving the body, and that if he were ever to aspire past a life of “being average” he’d have to endure some hardships. He understood. “Meow”, he said.
As I write this, I’m welding together a weighted sled that he will drag around for his waking hours. His burden will prove to be his salvation. I’m going to start with a 45 pound plate on the back of it, working my way up in 10 lb increments as his quads start to develop.
I’m also knitting him a weighted vest, so he can do Tabatas and other energy-system work. He’ll be huge, ripped, and functional. Interwoven into his vest are pockets that can be stuffed with lead weights and rolls of coins…whatever will do the job.
Here is his starting photo. I’ll post weekly progress updates…[/quote]
this wins…LOL great stuff
however i DO think a small testosterone dose would make your dog feel much better…its YOUR decision if it matter to you or not. I for one hope to god that my family DOES pump me full of anabolics when i am old and feeble…i think its a great idea actually. While they are at it i hope they add an extra heavy dose of GH.
[quote]morepain wrote:
I for one hope to god that my family DOES pump me full of anabolics when i am old and feeble…i think its a great idea actually. While they are at it i hope they add an extra heavy dose of GH.
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I agree. Many old men are simply too weak to walk confidently. If you fix this one little thing, the effect on their lives will be huge.
Your dog is old and going to die soon. What reason would you have to spend good money on HRT?
Just get a new dog. Sorry if this seems cruel, but why would you do this except for your own selfishness.
BB