AAS and dogs

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I’ll clarify my original post…I think a pet should be put down if it is no longer able to enjoy life. From the OP’s original post, it sounded like this may have been the case, but I see now that it’s not.

Anyway, I’d recommend a conservative stack of IGF-1, 7 different testosterone esters, parabolan 76mg/ml, DNP (to burn off its unsightly flab) and lots and lots of Anadrol-50. Make sure to buy him some Oakley razorblades and some zubaz pants. He’ll be jacked and will bang every bitch he can find! (literally)

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]i work out wrote:

He’s 93-95 lbs.

Ok, I am researching doses.

I wouldn’t say he is a ‘diamond’ about injects. Where are you doing them? At the vet I always see in the neck fat area.

Also, I know this isn’t the place but I have to actually find a good source. I don’t want to open that can of worms in this thread, but I’d have to figure that out.

I was suprised at the # of positive responses… thanks guys.[/quote]

I would use 50mg/wk (in divided doses) of testosterone cypionate. I would backfill an insulin monoject so that the injections are painless for the dog. I have injected my SBT using this technique, into the muscle mass of the rear leg (lateral) on many occasions.

You can’t PM me for a source since my PMs don’t work. Perhaps I will get another respected member here to PM you my email address and I can point you towards an internet source where you can buy a 10ml vial of test cyp for $90 or so. Since you only need 50mg per week and the vial should have 2500mg, your dog will cost only about $90 per year in gear and a few dollars more for needles etc.

BBB[/quote]

Great information BBB, exactly what I was looking for.

~$100 a year is more than reasonable, I was expecting to pay much much more.

If you could get someone to PM me your email address I would greatly appreciate it.

I’d like to get him going ASAP.

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My dog was neutered when he was a pup. He’s certainly not depressed or inactive or anything but he’s also not the most active dog on the block. At the end of the day we had to neuter him because it was part of the deal when we bought him from the breeder. The breeder’s position is definitely understandable, you don’t want the dog mixing and mangling with other breeds and ultimately producing a contaminated offspring.

I can’t say that I wouldn’t eventually encourage the family to get the dog neutered. In my opinion not enough dogs are neutered, which is why there’s a huge number of strays roaming around and overpopulated shelters in various locations around the world. There was a article I briefly skimmed through but did have the heart to fully read about the dog situation in Afghanistan where they are resorting to just capping stray dogs because there’s so many of them. It’s sad, especially to someone that has a self admitted soft spot for mans best friend. Don’t tell anyone though.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]eic wrote:
^^^^ That dog is fucking adorable. You can tell he’s a good friend. Put me solidly in the “give him TRT” camp. Let him have the benefit of some T coursing through those doggie veins in the last part of his life. [/quote]

Because the dog is “suffering”?

He’s been neutered. Many people do this on purpose.

I don’t even have anything ethical against it, I just find it funny so many in this thread think the dog is the one who wants it.[/quote]

Well you’re right the dog isn’t the one who wants it, but the master wants it for the dog. It’s too easy and cheap to find stuff than to try and go through the vet… anyone with the kind of knowledge to make a judgment call on this guy would have to know at least that.

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[quote] i work out wrote:
he feels like mush now when he used to be hard as a rock.
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Hehe…

And seriously, HRT for a dog? There are tons of dogs that have are neutered and are just fine. In fact, I wish more people would neuter their dogs. There are too many strays in shelters.

People need to listen to Bob Hope.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
My dog was neutered when he was a pup. He’s certainly not depressed or inactive or anything but he’s also not the most active dog on the block. At the end of the day we had to neuter him because it was part of the deal when we bought him from the breeder. The breeder’s position is definitely understandable, you don’t want the dog mixing and mangling with other breeds and ultimately producing a contaminated offspring.

I can’t say that I wouldn’t eventually encourage the family to get the dog neutered. In my opinion not enough dogs are neutered, which is why there’s a huge number of strays roaming around and overpopulated shelters in various locations around the world. There was a article I briefly skimmed through but did have the heart to fully read about the dog situation in Afghanistan where they are resorting to just capping stray dogs because there’s so many of them. It’s sad, especially to someone that has a self admitted soft spot for mans best friend. Don’t tell anyone though.[/quote]

I agree that most people should get their pet neutered.

I don’t let my dog roam around and hump everything. But he would certainly try to hump all the neighbor dogs, even though they have been fixed.

And yes, they are killing strays in Afghanistan because a lot of them have rabies and other nasty diseases. It is very sad.

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[quote]TheBigV wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]eic wrote:
^^^^ That dog is fucking adorable. You can tell he’s a good friend. Put me solidly in the “give him TRT” camp. Let him have the benefit of some T coursing through those doggie veins in the last part of his life. [/quote]

Because the dog is “suffering”?

He’s been neutered. Many people do this on purpose.

I don’t even have anything ethical against it, I just find it funny so many in this thread think the dog is the one who wants it.[/quote]

Well you’re right the dog isn’t the one who wants it, but the master wants it for the dog. It’s too easy and cheap to find stuff than to try and go through the vet… anyone with the kind of knowledge to make a judgment call on this guy would have to know at least that.[/quote]

Yep basically.

I believe the T will vastly improve his quality of life. Thats why I want to do it.

If he doesn’t do better on T or it negatively impacts him then I will discontinue. It certainly seems worth a shot.

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He’s 13. Leave him the hell alone. Control is diet for the weight gain. Let him live his remaining years in peace. Yes, you can give AAS to a dog. Would it have the effect you want? Probably not. Your dog is old. Just love him and he’ll be fine.

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13 is pretty old for a dog. I hope when I’m 60 my family doesn’t try to put me down or pump me full of AAS just because I’m not as active as I used to be lol. Your dog is old, he’s going to get older. Weight gain is normal for a dog that is neutered, thats one of the downsides. But don’t just haphazardly buy steroids and guesstimate how much you should be giving your dog based on how much humans take. Their metabolism and hormonal levels aren’t the same as a human, so comparing a 200lb man to a 100lb dog and just cutting the dosage in half isn’t a very exact science.

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It’s not just because he’s an old dog. Before the surgery he was still going for long walks, chasing deer, following me everywhere in the house. At 12.5 years old.

The surgery DRAMATICALLY CHANGED the dogs behavior.

He doesn’t hardly bark, growl, defend his territory, etc.

He’s not the ALPHA DOG he was not long ago.

You say let him live his remaining years in peace but hes not really at peace… he’s not happy.

I appreciate everyones viewpoint and opinion but you haven’t been with the dog 13 years.

It would be different if this was a slow decline, but its like someone flipped a switch.

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[quote]i work out wrote:
He doesn’t hardly bark, growl, defend his territory, etc.

He’s not the ALPHA DOG he was not long ago.

You say let him live his remaining years in peace but hes not really at peace… he’s not happy.[/quote]

None of these things equate with “happiness”, in fact he may even be happier, or at least more relaxed (which is what he should be at his age). Ageing in dogs is not often a slow decline. It often happens very quickly, even if they are entire.

Extrapolation of dosage from humans to dogs is fraught with complication, especially when you are comparing entire humans with neutered dogs, and young humans to aged dogs at that. I’m not entirely certain what the implications are if you get it wrong but it doesn’t seem worth playing with to me. If it were me I would just be enjoying his old age, old dogs are sweet and don’t get into any trouble.

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[quote]i work out wrote:
It’s not just because he’s an old dog. Before the surgery he was still going for long walks, chasing deer, following me everywhere in the house. At 12.5 years old.

The surgery DRAMATICALLY CHANGED the dogs behavior.

He doesn’t hardly bark, growl, defend his territory, etc.

He’s not the ALPHA DOG he was not long ago.

You say let him live his remaining years in peace but hes not really at peace… he’s not happy.

I appreciate everyones viewpoint and opinion but you haven’t been with the dog 13 years.

It would be different if this was a slow decline, but its like someone flipped a switch.[/quote]

Please stop with the anthropomorphical references. He’s an older dog now and he’s recovering from an illness and a procedure. He’s far closer to the end than he is to the beginning. Love him and leave him be with the AAS nonsense. He’s not a 40 year old man that lost his mojo. He’s a 70 year old man that is retired and should stay retired. Seriously, I know dogs and I’m telling you in earnest; let this idea die. Love him as you always have, let him set his own pace, maybe tweak his diet to control the weight gain and get the AAS idea out of your head.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Well on the one hand, since hormones effectively dominate and set our mood and entire outlook on life, he probably doesn’t miss ‘the old days’. I mean it’s not like he has the cognitive power to rationalize his decline (“I’m sure I used to be more active and horny. Damn I miss that”).

On the other, hand, just as it does in humans, TRT will maintain functionality and health. Who knows, your mutt may last another 5 years if his TRT is carefully controlled.

It’s almost certain that he won’t last his natural span with low test/androgens.

And for the ignorant folks who equate TRT with ‘pumping him full of steroids’, get a f**king clue.

BBB[/quote]

This dog IS near the end of his natural life span. He doesn’t have 5 more years if he was in PERFECT health. Please provide one reference that TRT will extend this dog’s life in any significant way. Please provide one reference that neutering a dog shortens his life span significantly. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

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Good looking dog. Things will work out for him.

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[quote]FIUPanther07 wrote:

[quote] i work out wrote:
he feels like mush now when he used to be hard as a rock.
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Hehe…

And seriously, HRT for a dog? There are tons of dogs that have are neutered and are just fine. In fact, I wish more people would neuter their dogs. There are too many strays in shelters.

People need to listen to Bob Hope.
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“It’s Bob Barker, Bitch!”

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]i work out wrote:
I have a 13 year old weimaraner. Had his nuts his whole life.

About 5 months ago they started swelling, took him in and turns out he had testicular cancer.

Removed testicles, cancer did not spread thankfully (they said it was ‘slow moving’ kind).

Since the surgery, he has not been the same dog.

He has NO DRIVE. He has NO MOTIVATION. He sleeps ALL DAY.

I know he’s old and has some arthritis in his hips but I think the zero testosterone is really hosing him.

Shoulda seen the look on the vet’s face when I asked about hormone replacement therapy.

My dog is depressed. He’s gained ~12 lbs, gone from 80-82 lbs to 93-95 lbs. All fat, he feels like mush now when he used to be hard as a rock.

HRT?? He doesn’t even chase poon anymore or hump anything.[/quote]

I would have put 'em down when I found out he had cancer. I’m sorry a dog without no nuts is worthless, just like a man. So either shot’em up or put him down. Gotta suck to not have any nuts.[/quote]

My dog’s nutless… I dont think I’ll be putting him down anytime soon…
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Too bad for him. I once had a dog that I nurtured, and he came to me the next day and asked me to kill him. So I did. Hoped this helped.[/quote]

You must be a God awful bad pet owner if your dog’s response to you nurturing him is to want to be put down.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Well on the one hand, since hormones effectively dominate and set our mood and entire outlook on life, he probably doesn’t miss ‘the old days’. I mean it’s not like he has the cognitive power to rationalize his decline (“I’m sure I used to be more active and horny. Damn I miss that”).

On the other, hand, just as it does in humans, TRT will maintain functionality and health. Who knows, your mutt may last another 5 years if his TRT is carefully controlled.

It’s almost certain that he won’t last his natural span with low test/androgens.

And for the ignorant folks who equate TRT with ‘pumping him full of steroids’, get a f**king clue.

BBB[/quote]

I don’t think anyone is ignorant here and thinking TRT is the same as pumping him full of steroids, but as an educated group we understand that a HUMAN going thru TRT has his blood drawn and hormone levels checked by a doctor and adjusted accordingly depending on how you react to the meds. There is a TON of information regarding TRT for Humans, yet despite all the available information I would NEVER EVER recommend a human go to some random individual or try to perscribe themselves TRT drugs, even if they do read all the info they can. You need to go to a doctor for that, so that they can monitor your hormone levels and make sure you don’t mess up your patuitary glands or anything else for that matter. Now there is almost NO information regarding TRT for dogs out there and yet you feel confident telling someone who may no nothing about TRT to go ahead and guesstimate an approximate dosage to give to an aging dog? Really? But we’re the ignorant ones.

TRT is not an exact science and is a bit of an art, not many doctors will even perscribe compounded medications, some random dog owner should not attempt to do so for their dog.

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[quote]HispanicSamurai wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Well on the one hand, since hormones effectively dominate and set our mood and entire outlook on life, he probably doesn’t miss ‘the old days’. I mean it’s not like he has the cognitive power to rationalize his decline (“I’m sure I used to be more active and horny. Damn I miss that”).

On the other, hand, just as it does in humans, TRT will maintain functionality and health. Who knows, your mutt may last another 5 years if his TRT is carefully controlled.

It’s almost certain that he won’t last his natural span with low test/androgens.

And for the ignorant folks who equate TRT with ‘pumping him full of steroids’, get a f**king clue.

BBB[/quote]

I don’t think anyone is ignorant here and thinking TRT is the same as pumping him full of steroids, but as an educated group we understand that a HUMAN going thru TRT has his blood drawn and hormone levels checked by a doctor and adjusted accordingly depending on how you react to the meds. There is a TON of information regarding TRT for Humans, yet despite all the available information I would NEVER EVER recommend a human go to some random individual or try to perscribe themselves TRT drugs, even if they do read all the info they can. You need to go to a doctor for that, so that they can monitor your hormone levels and make sure you don’t mess up your patuitary glands or anything else for that matter. Now there is almost NO information regarding TRT for dogs out there and yet you feel confident telling someone who may no nothing about TRT to go ahead and guesstimate an approximate dosage to give to an aging dog? Really? But we’re the ignorant ones.

TRT is not an exact science and is a bit of an art, not many doctors will even perscribe compounded medications, some random dog owner should not attempt to do so for their dog.
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He’s getting a full blood panel done this Thursday.

BBB can you find a way to get me your email address please?