Point taken.
Now are you done turning my thread into the X show?
Don’t worry man he’s just lightin the fire under your ass
let that shit burn
[quote]nanobyte wrote:
Point taken.
Now are you done turning my thread into the X show?[/quote]
Are you done procrastinating?
Workout looks ok. Better than I might have expected. I agree that the Warrior diet is not the way to go. I think the T-Dawg diet might be appropriate, but I really think Berardi’s Don’t Diet might be a better approach. You have a bunch of fat to lose, but you don’t have much muscle. And you are essentially untrained still. With Berardi’s principles in the form of a comprehensive, well-planned eating program paired with intense lifitng, I think you could expect to add muscle while still dropping fat at this point.
Just go out and lift. Seriously. You’ve done nothing and anything at this point, done with normal, not Abercrombie, intensity will accentuate newbie gains.
Concentrate on big lifts until you have a good base of muscle.
Me thinks this is another post then MIA thread. We’ll find out in a month.
[quote]nanobyte wrote:
I trained for about 6 weeks in the beginning of last summer while I shared a flat with a friend of mine who’s into weight lifting. Any gains I had back then quickly went away once I stopped lifting.
Then in that time since then I’ve worked 2 jobs on 2 continents, so now is just really the best moment I’ve found to get serious about lifting.
I’m quite the boolean guy. I either go for something full speed or I don’t do shit.
But hey, better late than never, right?
Anyway, I never claimed to have trained for a year. Were that the case I wouldn’t have posted those pics. It’s just for me to track my progress. And get some motivation knowing my fat ass is out there for the world to see.
And it hardly phases me that some dudes out there that either don’t remember beginning or didn’t start while having a busy career think I’m fat and weakly looking.
Or that they’re so defensive that right off the bat they think I’m making shit up.
I think I have a decent natural strength level, and I’m more determined than most people.
Thx for the comments.[/quote]
If you are more determined than normal people you wouldnt be making excuses as to why you didnt lift. So what you’ve worked two jobs on different continents. I work a full-time job and go to school part-time and I still find time to lift, save 3 summer months of sporatic working out. THATS having more determination than the average joe. Reading a site does not constitute being determined actually getting your ass in the gym and doing something does!
If you’re truey determined, post pics again in 3 months and we’ll see how determined you really are. I doubt we’ll ever see you again after this, at least not posting pics but I hope you prove me wrong!
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
I really think Berardi’s Don’t Diet might be a better approach. You have a bunch of fat to lose, but you don’t have much muscle. And you are essentially untrained still. With Berardi’s principles in the form of a comprehensive, well-planned eating program paired with intense lifitng, I think you could expect to add muscle while still dropping fat at this point.[/quote]
You mean this one from Berardi?
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460718
Call me arcane, but I somehow feel wary about increasing my calorie intake to accelerate fat loss.
Not that I think my body is some linear adipose factory. But perhaps because I spent some time interval-eating till my appetite went down (that is, my stomach tract actually feels smaller, takes less to be full).
But clearly whatever approach I’m taking isn’t necessarily a good one. However I think with some better lighting my pics could have turned out better.
Today for instance my shoulders and triceps feel quite stiff.
I think I should have flexed hehe 
My forearms are losing fat, my calves are almost fat free, quads are losing. And my face has actually lost some. I just have a real problem with that equator.
Another problem that might be causing my poor results is that I sometimes have insomnia after intense workout. Like I feel so amped I don’t realize I’m still awake till I look at the clock and it’s 6AM.
Right now it’s 11:45 AM. I’ve had a triple whey shake (360kcal, 9g carb, 66g protein) with a tbsp of ground flax seeds, a half a cup of oatmeal, and 750ml of orange juice (352kcal, 86g carb, , 3g protein) mainly cause sometimes vit-C helps with my muscle soreness. Not today though.
It’s interesting to see how readily people want to tear down a newcomer?
Posting pics, information on lifting routines, and diet after 4 weeks of hitting the gym is gutsy in my opinion.
I work out with nanobyte, and we go 4-5 times per week, and I can tell you there isn’t a dry thread left on him after his routine, he’s not one of those guys (like me sometimes) who wanders around the gym wondering what to do, plays around with a couple of weights, and then goes to the sauna to finally sweat a bit.
I’m glad he took those pics, so in 3 months he can take another set and we can see the difference.
It seems that mentioning that you’ve read the site for quite some time thinking about how to best achieve your goals, before dragging your ass off and starting, quite literally pisses some people off around here.
Personally I skip posting on forums where I’m not at least trying to be constructive – I don’t see the point – hopefully the negative criticism here will prove to strengthen his (and others’) resolve to do better.
Anyway, nano is sure capable of answering for himself, but I just thought some of the assumptions being made here were a bit unfair, as I personally admire his spirit when we’re at the gym.
[quote]steinnes wrote:
Posting pics, information on lifting routines, and diet after 4 weeks of hitting the gym is gutsy in my opinion.
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No its not gutsy. It happens every week here.
[quote]steinnes wrote:
Anyway, nano is sure capable of answering for himself, but I just thought some of the assumptions being made here were a bit unfair, as I personally admire his spirit when we’re at the gym.[/quote]
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And I’m weary when a friend comes in to defend his friend on an internet forum about how hard his friend and him workout.
[quote]steinnes wrote:
It seems that mentioning that you’ve read the site for quite some time thinking about how to best achieve your goals, before dragging your ass off and starting, quite literally pisses some people off around here.
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I am amazed that people exist who think that you make progress in the weight room by waiting until you find the “perfect program” before you ever actually start lifting. Do you think the guy he listed as his goal avoided training until he went to internet school for a year and a half?
This is bodybuilding. People were building phenomenal physiques before there ever even was a unified training strategy. That should tell you something. There is no perfect training program. That means “thinking about how to best achieve your goals, before dragging your ass off and starting” is quite possibly the worst excuse for why you haven’t hit the gym that anyone could think of. To think it took over a year and a half of “thinking” makes it worse.
Also if this:
[quote] he’s not one of those guys (like me sometimes) who wanders around the gym wondering what to do, plays around with a couple of waits, and then goes to the sauna to finally sweat a bit.
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truly describes you, what type of constructive criticism are you giving on this forum and why are you giving it?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
steinnes wrote:
It seems that mentioning that you’ve read the site for quite some time thinking about how to best achieve your goals, before dragging your ass off and starting, quite literally pisses some people off around here.
I am amazed that people exist who think that you make progress in the weight room by waiting until you find the “perfect program” before you ever actually start lifting. Do you think the guy he listed as his goal avoided training until he went to internet school for a year and a half?
This is bodybuilding. People were building phenomenal physiques before there ever even was a unified training strategy. That should tell you something. There is no perfect training program. That means “thinking about how to best achieve your goals, before dragging your ass off and starting” is quite possibly the worst excuse for why you haven’t hit the gym that anyone could think of. To think it took over a year and a half of “thinking” makes it worse.[/quote]
Man, who ever said anything about “the perfect program” – just reading articles (especially on nutrition) and having an interest in something doesn’t mean you’re searching for the holy grail program that will fix you up in a couple of weeks.
I do agree that hanging around on the internet reading is perhaps time better spent in the gym – no doubt about it, but if you work at a computer all day, you end up reading a lot, and I’d think people wouldn’t be offended that someone reads this site out of interest even if that person isn’t working out?
Someone comes on here and asks for comments on his workout routine and diet, and for some reason you see fit to reply only to question his dedication because he mentions in passing he’s been lurking here for a year and a half.
Anyway, I’d think it’s good that experienced lifters such as you have no other comments to make than that he should do more of what he’s doing
I think you should fuel your activity. Give Berardi a shot and see how impacts your body composition. At the least, you’ll be establishing good habits. You can drop calories and/or carbs some if you haven’t lost fat the way you think you should after a few weeks.
Review Berardi’s 7 Habits article as well.
[quote]steinnes wrote:
Anyway, I’d think it’s good that experienced lifters such as you have no other comments to make than that he should do more of what he’s doing [/quote]
And I think it would be good if this forum remained the hardcore site that it advertises itself as and the type of site it has been for years.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also if this […]
truly describes you, what type of constructive criticism are you giving on this forum and why are you giving it?[/quote]
I can’t speak on behalf of the entire forum, but for me steinnes helps me with diet tips and supplementation. While he doesn’t design my diet, he’s the guy I normally ask for info about a given food or supplement. He’s the reason I take omega-3, CLA, and flaxseeds.
Seriously though, Professor X, take your autoerotic diatribe some place else, please.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
And I think it would be good if this forum remained the hardcore site that it advertises itself as and the type of site it has been for years.[/quote]
True. The beginner’s forum sure is going down the drain.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
steinnes wrote:
Anyway, I’d think it’s good that experienced lifters such as you have no other comments to make than that he should do more of what he’s doing
And I think it would be good if this forum remained the hardcore site that it advertises itself as and the type of site it has been for years.[/quote]
Yeah, the owners of the site must send you gift baskets a regular basis for being the vanguard of hardcoreness around here.
Have you tried suggesting they remove the “Beginners” section all together – should keep the non-hardcore metro guys like me out, huh?
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
I think you should fuel your activity. Give Berardi a shot and see how impacts your body composition. At the least, you’ll be establishing good habits. You can drop calories and/or carbs some if you haven’t lost fat the way you think you should after a few weeks.[/quote]
Thanks. I’m open to trying anything Berardi has recommended. After seeing what he did for Dave Tate.
Good to know there a dudes out there with some advice beyond “give it up, you gave it up before-- so you’ll give it up again, so just give it up”.
Street prices of Primobolan must be up. Yeah that must be it.
[quote]nanobyte wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
I think you should fuel your activity. Give Berardi a shot and see how impacts your body composition. At the least, you’ll be establishing good habits. You can drop calories and/or carbs some if you haven’t lost fat the way you think you should after a few weeks.
Thanks. I’m open to trying anything Berardi has recommended. After seeing what he did for Dave Tate.
Good to know there a dudes out there with some advice beyond “give it up, you gave it up before-- so you’ll give it up again, so just give it up”.
Street prices of Primobolan must be up. Yeah that must be it.[/quote]
Who told you to give it up? Were you told to be more consistent? Why lie?