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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

The woman’s 100m sprint record is beaten by high school boys ever year.
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Not that I think you are a liar, but is this true or hyperbole?[/quote]

I don’t know about anywhere else but I know in MHSAA class 4a state track 100m final this year the top 3 boys would have beat the second fastest woman ever. I am sure if that small of a sampling can do it there are plenty of young men around the country beating the top mark.

http://www.misshsaa.com/Sports/TrackField/Class4ABoysTrackResults2012.aspx

Edit: This was not last year or the year before, but it was the most current results posted to the website. I actually was looking this up before you asked CB because I was wondering the same thing.
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10.49 is the women’s record?

The vast majority of high school boys in the country are not touching that even state champions on a year to year basis. It would not be unheard of though.

This really is not that surprising nor would the best high school basketball boys basketball teams in the nation beating a women’s WNBA team being that surprising. Some of the nation’s best high school prep programs may have 2-3 future NBA players on them, and an insanely talented 18 year old male basketball player is going to be better than most WNBA talents on average.

This is not a knock on women at all, this is just reality. Andrew Wiggins who was in high school last year would have flat dominated in the WNBA.

Purely on athleticism. Most women at higher levels can shoot the ball just as well as any average male basketball player even college ones.

The issue is in the athleticism. The speed, power, explosion of the top high school athletes for men would make them studs in the women’s game.

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Off topic, but we were watching the Olympic Slopestyle competitors. The event that looks like skateboarding but with snowboards.

The men are just spectacular. And then the women are so much well, less spectacular. I was surprised to see such a huge difference in an event like that.

Do you think it’s mostly a weight thing? The men are so much faster, and can get so much higher on their jumps, more rotations…

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It is a combination of weight and center of gravity, coated in patriarchy.[/quote]

fixed. :wink:

About athleticism, isn’t it fascinating to see the specialization and unique musculature in the different sports? The quads on those speed skaters.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

The woman’s 100m sprint record is beaten by high school boys ever year.
[/quote]

Not that I think you are a liar, but is this true or hyperbole?[/quote]

I don’t know about anywhere else but I know in MHSAA class 4a state track 100m final this year the top 3 boys would have beat the second fastest woman ever. I am sure if that small of a sampling can do it there are plenty of young men around the country beating the top mark.

http://www.misshsaa.com/Sports/TrackField/Class4ABoysTrackResults2012.aspx

Edit: This was not last year or the year before, but it was the most current results posted to the website. I actually was looking this up before you asked CB because I was wondering the same thing.
[/quote]

10.49 is the women’s record?

The vast majority of high school boys in the country are not touching that even state champions on a year to year basis. It would not be unheard of though.

This really is not that surprising nor would the best high school basketball boys basketball teams in the nation beating a women’s WNBA team being that surprising. Some of the nation’s best high school prep programs may have 2-3 future NBA players on them, and an insanely talented 18 year old male basketball player is going to be better than most WNBA talents on average.

This is not a knock on women at all, this is just reality. Andrew Wiggins who was in high school last year would have flat dominated in the WNBA.

Purely on athleticism. Most women at higher levels can shoot the ball just as well as any average male basketball player even college ones.

The issue is in the athleticism. The speed, power, explosion of the top high school athletes for men would make them studs in the women’s game. [/quote]

I wasn’t really thinking that most or even a large percentage were beating it up I figure that there are a solid handful every year that will top it. Also, why is it that the womens record has stood for so long while the mens falls left and right?

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

The woman’s 100m sprint record is beaten by high school boys ever year.
[/quote]

Not that I think you are a liar, but is this true or hyperbole?[/quote]

I don’t know about anywhere else but I know in MHSAA class 4a state track 100m final this year the top 3 boys would have beat the second fastest woman ever. I am sure if that small of a sampling can do it there are plenty of young men around the country beating the top mark.

http://www.misshsaa.com/Sports/TrackField/Class4ABoysTrackResults2012.aspx

Edit: This was not last year or the year before, but it was the most current results posted to the website. I actually was looking this up before you asked CB because I was wondering the same thing.
[/quote]

10.49 is the women’s record?

The vast majority of high school boys in the country are not touching that even state champions on a year to year basis. It would not be unheard of though.

This really is not that surprising nor would the best high school basketball boys basketball teams in the nation beating a women’s WNBA team being that surprising. Some of the nation’s best high school prep programs may have 2-3 future NBA players on them, and an insanely talented 18 year old male basketball player is going to be better than most WNBA talents on average.

This is not a knock on women at all, this is just reality. Andrew Wiggins who was in high school last year would have flat dominated in the WNBA.

Purely on athleticism. Most women at higher levels can shoot the ball just as well as any average male basketball player even college ones.

The issue is in the athleticism. The speed, power, explosion of the top high school athletes for men would make them studs in the women’s game. [/quote]

I wasn’t really thinking that most or even a large percentage were beating it up I figure that there are a solid handful every year that will top it. Also, why is it that the womens record has stood for so long while the mens falls left and right? [/quote]

HArder for women to get away with PED use?

Not trying to be a dick, but when a man uses it seems to me that it is easier for him to “hide” than if a woman does. (I could be very, very wrong here, I’m speculating.)

I feel like one little slip up and a women “has gone too far” very quickly, while a man a more leeway in that area.

But I’m basically talking out my ass here.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

I wasn’t really thinking that most or even a large percentage were beating it up I figure that there are a solid handful every year that will top it. Also, why is it that the womens record has stood for so long while the mens falls left and right? [/quote]

Flo Jo was a freak for one. Absolutely insane athlete. I did not know this, but apparently some potential controversy about the level of wind during that run as well. PED use is something that has been suggested with her as well, though obviously never proven. Johnson’s record would have stood a LONG time if he had not been caught. In fact when did we break 9.79 anyways? Hasn’t been that long. Not saying Flo Jo used, but if she did and got away with it that may answer your question as to why the women’s has stood, but the men’s falls left and right. The “bar” hasn’t been as high in men’s compared to other times. The women’s has.

I don’t think anyone is touching Bolt’s records anytime soon though. Men’s bodies aren’t doing anything to prepare for child birth. My dad used to coach girl’s track and it was not uncommon for him to have girls who were faster freshman/sophomore year than when they were seniors in the sprints. Not because they had slacked off, but because they had developed into women.

Men’s puberty helps them BECOME better athletes. That isn’t necessarily the case with some of the changes some women go through.

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[quote]H factor wrote:
Men’s bodies aren’t doing anything to prepare for child birth. My dad used to coach girl’s track and it was not uncommon for him to have girls who were faster freshman/sophomore year than when they were seniors in the sprints. Not because they had slacked off, but because they had developed into women.

Men’s puberty helps them BECOME better athletes. That isn’t necessarily the case with some of the changes some women go through. [/quote]

Interesting. Never even thought of that before.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

HArder for women to get away with PED use?

Not trying to be a dick, but when a man uses it seems to me that it is easier for him to “hide” than if a woman does. (I could be very, very wrong here, I’m speculating.)

I feel like one little slip up and a women “has gone too far” very quickly, while a man a more leeway in that area.

But I’m basically talking out my ass here. [/quote]

Yeah, PED use was my best guess. Natural levels of test make it much easier for men to get away at least with nominal levels while women do not have that same build in smoke screen. She was obviously a freak athlete, but so are the modern Jamaican and American women and they haven’t even come close. Not to mention, Marion Jones was juiced up and the best she had was 10.65 which was good for third all time behind Carmalita Jeter’s 10.64

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Men’s bodies aren’t doing anything to prepare for child birth. My dad used to coach girl’s track and it was not uncommon for him to have girls who were faster freshman/sophomore year than when they were seniors in the sprints. Not because they had slacked off, but because they had developed into women.

Men’s puberty helps them BECOME better athletes. That isn’t necessarily the case with some of the changes some women go through. [/quote]

Interesting. Never even thought of that before. [/quote]

That is an interesting point, H Factor.

Along that vein, I’ve seen young elementary and junior high girls who can do lots of pullups, before they mature. The added weight most of us carry in the hip and thighs, together with comparatively far less upper body strength make pullups really challenging for most women.

BTW, I was really proud of my BW pullups. Then I just read that Olympic hopeful Kikkan Randall (US women’s cross country, 5’5" and 135 lbs) does weighted ones with a 60 lb plate. I can’t even imagine.

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Back to Gender Roles and Equality.

This is a fascinating article from the New York Times. It’s very long, but worth the 20 minutes. So many things to think about. It was the topic of conversation with The Mister over lunch yesterday, and we were still talking about it this morning. I won’t have much time to discuss it with you all, but I hope you find it interesting.

Does a More Equal Marriage Mean Less Sex?

Touches on egalitarian or “peer” marriages and passion.

Some stats on marital happiness when the wife earns more.

Also, some research about cheating that surprised me. “…study conducted that asked participants who had had affairs why they did so. Fifty-six percent of her male subjects and 34 percent of her female subjects said they were “happy” or “very happy” in their partnerships but cheated anyway.” - Moral of the story, be very careful not to give yourself the opportunity.

The very end of the article - last 6 paragraphs - cites the sweaty t-shirt study about women being more attracted to the scent of some men with genes that differed from their own in a certain part of the immune system, and how that was blunted by the pill. This was the one I was trying to remember for csulli a couple of weeks ago when he was asking about “What is women and smell?” in Em’s thread.

AND

Here’s a quote from the article some of you might relate to. So TN!

The man was talking to his wife about why they don’t have sex more often to a therapist.

“I’m very attracted to you, she said earnestly. You know when I really crave you? It’s when you?re just back from the gym and you?re all sweaty and you take off your clothes to get in the shower and I see your muscles.”

Her husband countered by saying that this very situation had occurred that morning but that his wife became irritated when he tossed his clothes on the floor, which led to a conversation about his not vacuuming the day before, when she worked late. He had worked late, too, which accounted for the lack of vacuuming, but still she hated waking up to a messy room, and it was his turn to vacuum.

“Right,” she agreed. “I wasn’t focused on sex, because I wanted you to get out the vacuum.”

“So if I got out the vacuum, then you’d be turned on?”

His wife thought about it for a minute. “Actually, probably not,” she said slowly, as if hearing the contradiction even as she was speaking it. “The vacuuming would have killed the weight-lifting vibe.”

This has been a fun thread. Thanks everyone!

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Men’s bodies aren’t doing anything to prepare for child birth. My dad used to coach girl’s track and it was not uncommon for him to have girls who were faster freshman/sophomore year than when they were seniors in the sprints. Not because they had slacked off, but because they had developed into women.

Men’s puberty helps them BECOME better athletes. That isn’t necessarily the case with some of the changes some women go through. [/quote]

Interesting. Never even thought of that before. [/quote]

That is an interesting point, H Factor.

Along that vein, I’ve seen young elementary and junior high girls who can do lots of pullups, before they mature. The added weight most of us carry in the hip and thighs, together with comparatively far less upper body strength make pullups really challenging for most women.

BTW, I was really proud of my BW pullups. Then I just read that Olympic hopeful Kikkan Randall (US women’s cross country, 5’5" and 135 lbs) does weighted ones with a 60 lb plate. I can’t even imagine.

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It’s definitely something people don’t think about much, but certainly exists. I’ve been around high school age athletics my whole life being a coach’s son (Dad coached football, basketball, girls track for forever).

Using myself as an example I was skinny and tiny as shit my freshman year (honestly maybe 100 pounds). I was 170 and shredded as a senior. Certainly I worked my ass off in the weight room for four years and I got taller. My body though (as male bodies do) was going to be bigger, stronger, faster even if I barely lifted.

Male puberty is creating strength even if you barely do anything. Female puberty is not necessarily the case for that. Great point about the pullups as well. A lot of women will gain mass in the lower body throughout puberty and it’s not uncommon at all to see those girls who can pound out tons of pullups in middle school struggle in high school even if they weight train.

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FloJo’s records were set prior to stricter testing protocols for women. Is it coincidence that she retired from the sport before they were about to begin stricter testing? No woman has been able to approach her times, even those who we know are/were using. They just can’t use as freely as she did. It’s why her records should be thrown out or given some asterisk so a new woman can actually set a new record (and get some money).

A lot of women’s records were set in the 80’s. The 400m record is probably the most remarkable.