So you are willing to admit that the government has been involved with perpetrating criminal acts upon their own people, but not this right? You know what the government does do it straight up to your face and that is why Alex Jones predicted 9/11 and why “the Lone Gunmen” show ran an episode about crashing planes into the twin towers half a year before it even happened.
More proof of explosions: Lowry Bridge Demolition - YouTube
Did you want a whistle blower as well? 9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public, by Gaia Edwards
I was thinking a peer reviewed journal dismissing the government’s theory might help:
http://www.911oz.com/weblog.phtml?weblogid=118
The attack on the trade center towers was a crime. No one has been charged or convicted of that crime. Any time you have a crime where no one has been charged or convicted, every idea on who committed the crime and what actually happened is considered a “theory.” This includes the government’s “theory.”
The basic definition of theory is: " a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact."
I have to pause to ask why conspiracy is thrown in front of one “theory” on the crime, but not in front of the Government’s “theory” on the crime.
Once we have scientific evidence, a theory becomes a probability.
Example: I have a theory that if I buy a lottery ticket, I will win the lottery. When I buy a lottery ticket, my theory becomes a probability, or more popularly known as “odds in winning.”
There is and has been scientific evidence that the the buildings fell from demolition. So we have now moved from a “conspiracy” theory to a probability. The Government’s “theory” has no scientific backing, and is therefore conjectural, leaving it a “theory.”
The fact is, there is a probability the Government’s story is not what actually happened. Yet, people are demonized, made fun of, and called names when they even begin to question the Government’s “theory” of what took place on 9/11. Why? What is wrong with questioning a steel building collapsing from fire?
There are many “theories” on why people in general are afraid to question the Government’s 9/11 story. While I think each person has their beliefs on why they buy the Government’s story 100%, I think the most prevailing reason is one of “Groupthink.”
Groupthink is a type of thought exhibited by group members who try to minimize conflict and reach consensus without critically testing, analyzing, and evaluating ideas. If you would like an example of Group Think you can review the case of the space shuttle challenger:
Or you can simply review the way the people in this thread that have chosen to question the Government’s official story have been slandered and ridiculed.
There is nothing wrong with questioning. Dissent is patriotic.
9/11 was considered the second day of infamy in the United States. The original day of infamy, Pearl Harbor has conspiracy theories as well. Just about any major event there is going to be a conspiracy theory. People that go blabbing on about 9/11 being a conspiracy should just keep quiet, its still fresh in people’s minds. 100 years from now when everyone who was affected by 9/11 has deceased then people can talk about conspiracies.
[quote]ironmaniac508 wrote:
9/11 was considered the second day of infamy in the United States. The original day of infamy, Pearl Harbor has conspiracy theories as well. Just about any major event there is going to be a conspiracy theory. People that go blabbing on about 9/11 being a conspiracy should just keep quiet, its still fresh in people’s minds. 100 years from now when everyone who was affected by 9/11 has deceased then people can talk about conspiracies.[/quote]
Yes every major event will bring on conspiracy theory talk, however the amount of anomalies which took place that day is crazy. There was secondary explosions at the Towers and with the amount of evidence that is out there it is easily provable, 2/3 of new yorkers don’t believe the official story why do you? What you are saying about it being fresh in people’s minds is exactly why we ant answers, the government has done events like this before and it is your responsibility to try and find the truth, don’t think that the 9/11 truth movement is run by these “conspiracy theorists”, there are A LOT of family members who support what we are trying to do. Be the voice for those that can no longer be heard. When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. -Thomas Jefferson
I don’t understand. Why do we need to question the official story? Why should we care?
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
I don’t understand. Why do we need to question the official story? Why should we care? [/quote]
That picture is a pure WIN! Thanks for posting it. I really can’t wait for this bullshit to be over, you know the stuff where people hate you if you question the government. They have certainly done some good work creating a population who is extremely loyal and won’t ask them any tough questions.
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Wow I can’t believe there is a thread about this on a weight lifting site. And while I try my hardest to stay away from stuff like this it really comes hard when people start to site this study and that study. I have a question for everyone and it will include the so called experts that are sited within this post.
WHO HAS BEEN IN A REAL FIRE AND HAS SEEN WHAT IT CAN DO TO THE SO CALLED FIRE PROOF COATINGS? AND IF YOU HAVE BEEN IN A FIRE HAVE YOU EVER DEALT WITH JET FUEL AND KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH IT? WHAT TEMPETURES IT BURNS AT?
I don’t feel need to question what ever happend that day the only thing I do feel to do is thank god that none of my friends were lost in that building.
[quote]Slayers wrote:
Wow I can’t believe there is a thread about this on a weight lifting site. And while I try my hardest to stay away from stuff like this it really comes hard when people start to site this study and that study. I have a question for everyone and it will include the so called experts that are sited within this post.
WHO HAS BEEN IN A REAL FIRE AND HAS SEEN WHAT IT CAN DO TO THE SO CALLED FIRE PROOF COATINGS? AND IF YOU HAVE BEEN IN A FIRE HAVE YOU EVER DEALT WITH JET FUEL AND KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH IT? WHAT TEMPETURES IT BURNS AT?
I don’t feel need to question what ever happend that day the only thing I do feel to do is thank god that none of my friends were lost in that building.[/quote]
WOW why is nobody reading this, Building 7 did not get hit by a plane, there was no jet fuel in it. It is the first steel building in the history of the world to collapse due to “normal” fire. Also it collapsed at least for a period of the collapse, at freefall, which means there was no building structure to take any energy of the fall. Even if steel is softened and fails, it is not going to disintigrate, it will provide resistance throughout the collapse. It also collapses completely in it’s own footprint, which means all the supporting steel failed at the same time, if one failed before the other, the building would have come down at an angle, not straight down. Building 7 is the big key, if it was demolished, we can then question the towers. Lets answer only building 7 using your logic and we can talk about the towers after.
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[quote]Slayers wrote:
Wow I can’t believe there is a thread about this on a weight lifting site. And while I try my hardest to stay away from stuff like this it really comes hard when people start to site this study and that study. I have a question for everyone and it will include the so called experts that are sited within this post.
WHO HAS BEEN IN A REAL FIRE AND HAS SEEN WHAT IT CAN DO TO THE SO CALLED FIRE PROOF COATINGS? AND IF YOU HAVE BEEN IN A FIRE HAVE YOU EVER DEALT WITH JET FUEL AND KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH IT? WHAT TEMPETURES IT BURNS AT?
I don’t feel need to question what ever happend that day the only thing I do feel to do is thank god that none of my friends were lost in that building.[/quote]
Oh Yea, here are some people who have been in a real fire. Not only that, some of them were in THE fires in question, I’d take thier word over yours.
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[quote]Vegita wrote:
Slayers wrote:
Wow I can’t believe there is a thread about this on a weight lifting site. And while I try my hardest to stay away from stuff like this it really comes hard when people start to site this study and that study. I have a question for everyone and it will include the so called experts that are sited within this post.
WHO HAS BEEN IN A REAL FIRE AND HAS SEEN WHAT IT CAN DO TO THE SO CALLED FIRE PROOF COATINGS? AND IF YOU HAVE BEEN IN A FIRE HAVE YOU EVER DEALT WITH JET FUEL AND KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH IT? WHAT TEMPETURES IT BURNS AT?
I don’t feel need to question what ever happend that day the only thing I do feel to do is thank god that none of my friends were lost in that building.
Oh Yea, here are some people who have been in a real fire. Not only that, some of them were in THE fires in question, I’d take thier word over yours.
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LMFAO I love how they found the bandanas, passports and all the other papers, yet the black boxes were destroyed. Well that adds up, paper vs a black box made of three layers. A harded steel or titanium covering, with insulation underneath to protect against high impact crashes. Underneath that is fireproofing, a special material that allows the box to withstand hours at high temperatures. If you buy that then “Wow.”
[quote]nik133 wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Slayers wrote:
Wow I can’t believe there is a thread about this on a weight lifting site. And while I try my hardest to stay away from stuff like this it really comes hard when people start to site this study and that study. I have a question for everyone and it will include the so called experts that are sited within this post.
WHO HAS BEEN IN A REAL FIRE AND HAS SEEN WHAT IT CAN DO TO THE SO CALLED FIRE PROOF COATINGS? AND IF YOU HAVE BEEN IN A FIRE HAVE YOU EVER DEALT WITH JET FUEL AND KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH IT? WHAT TEMPETURES IT BURNS AT?
I don’t feel need to question what ever happend that day the only thing I do feel to do is thank god that none of my friends were lost in that building.
Oh Yea, here are some people who have been in a real fire. Not only that, some of them were in THE fires in question, I’d take thier word over yours.
V
LMFAO I love how they found the bandanas, passports and all the other papers, yet the black boxes were destroyed. Well that adds up, paper vs a black box made of three layers. A harded steel or titanium covering, with insulation underneath to protect against high impact crashes. Underneath that is fireproofing, a special material that allows the box to withstand hours at high temperatures. If you buy that then “Wow.”[/quote]
It’s only a matter of time before someone else comes in here all pissed off and says. “OMFG Guys, you fukin idiots, planes and jet fuel, planes and jet fuel, planes and jet fuel, ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGG!” I don’t know what it is but government brainwashing is starting to sound more believable every time someone posts this mindless drivel. It’s like they don’t even have a fucking mind that is able to think.
V
There have been other threads on here of the same subject. The same thing always happens. Usually some smart ass says there are no peer reviewed journals supporting demolition, so it is impossible there was any demolition. NO scientist is stupid enough to write in a journal opposing the government’s story. I have since found many peer reviewed articles from other nations.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
There have been other threads on here of the same subject. The same thing always happens. Usually some smart ass says there are no peer reviewed journals supporting demolition, so it is impossible there was any demolition. NO scientist is stupid enough to write in a journal opposing the government’s story. I have since found many peer reviewed articles from other nations. [/quote]
It’s funny how no matter how much info you present to people, they just refuse to listen.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-02/09/content_10790640.htm
Here is a building that burned for over 4 hours and did not collapse, yet we are suppose to believe that 3 buildings collapsed due to fire on the same day. Compare that damage (The Beijing building fire) to the fire that brought down WTC 7.
WTC 7 collapsed from the fire in my post above this one, yet this building did not.
9/11 Conspiracy Theory Debunking | World Trade Center Myths Here’s some of the these guys are crazy and why side.
Tom it is very easy to find stuff to support your side as it is more widely accepted by the mainstream media, but I guess the biggest evidence that I think I have brought forward so far is on the page before this. Here it is again:
Explain this video: More proof of explosions: http://www.youtube.com/...re=channel_page
Clearly there is no way that the sound could be duplicated without explosives being planted at the twin towers. Just tell me your theory on that. How is it possible that the black boxes weren’t recovered and they recovered their bandanas and passports which are merely pieces of paper and string, yet the strongest pieces of metal are lost?
I respect your argument, and you have no reason to believe me as I am a nobody just posting on a board, but here is an AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE GENERAL SAYING 9/11 WAS A FRAUD - YouTube
I urge anybody that doesn’t believe 9/11 was an inside job to do research as those that do are becoming a majority and WE WILL GET THE TRUTH OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY, whether you wish to know it or not!
Nik you seem like a smart kid but how could you believe what is posted on you tube as a true video?
I asked the question about fire because I was looking to see if anyone in here really understood what it can do to buildings. That website seems good but I did not see one thing posted by a memeber FDNY.
I have spoke to a number of friends I have on the job at that day and all of them have said there was nothing that sounded like explosions. There were loud booms but nothing like explosions. Plus if there were any explosions in there someone would have found traces of what ever was used.
The blowing out of windows that is seen on videos would have been created from the floors crashing down ontop of each other and pushing out air of the windows.
And something that is never really talked about is how many floors were on fire after the crashes. The fires were down as low as ground level with major fires starting on the 50th.
Gas fires are not fought with just stright water which is the only thing that would have come out of the standpipes on each floor. To bring down a gas fire you need to use foam and smother the fire witht he foam killing off the oxygen that it needs to burn. Water would just push it around and make everything worse plus add extra weight on beams and pillars getting weak from the heat.
[quote]Slayers wrote:
Nik you seem like a smart kid but how could you believe what is posted on you tube as a true video?
I asked the question about fire because I was looking to see if anyone in here really understood what it can do to buildings. That website seems good but I did not see one thing posted by a memeber FDNY.
I have spoke to a number of friends I have on the job at that day and all of them have said there was nothing that sounded like explosions. There were loud booms but nothing like explosions. Plus if there were any explosions in there someone would have found traces of what ever was used.
The blowing out of windows that is seen on videos would have been created from the floors crashing down ontop of each other and pushing out air of the windows.
And something that is never really talked about is how many floors were on fire after the crashes. The fires were down as low as ground level with major fires starting on the 50th.
Gas fires are not fought with just stright water which is the only thing that would have come out of the standpipes on each floor. To bring down a gas fire you need to use foam and smother the fire witht he foam killing off the oxygen that it needs to burn. Water would just push it around and make everything worse plus add extra weight on beams and pillars getting weak from the heat.[/quote]
Thanks for the response, I am glad someone can have a civil discussion about this. As for the youtube videos, there isn’t much to them: a top Intelligence General saying he doesn’t believe the official 9/11 story and sound by sound comparisons of explosions heard, one from a planned demolition and one from 9/11, I don’t see where those facts can be disputed. There are scientist that have gone on record saying the only way the buildings could’ve fallen down is if there was explosives, there is a report saying that Thermitic material was found in the rubble of the towers ( http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM ). Again all I want is answers, I hope that we can agree that there was never a fair investigation into what really happened and if 70% of family member’s questions were not answered at the hearing, there needs to be another one. I believe it is around 80% of NYers that don’t believe the official story and we owe it to them and the people lost that day to find out what really happened. I hope that one day we can get some real answers as to what really went on that day.