9/11 is NOT a Conspiracy!

Vegita · June 10, 2009, 2:13pm

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Vegita wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Vegita wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
If you believe that 9/11 was a government cover-up, let me ask you a question: What sort of evidence would make you change your mind, convince you that it really was “just” a terrorist attack?

If you have trouble answering that, maybe you’re not as open-minded as you think you are.

I have already answered that question. If they could show me that the islamic terrorists infiltrated the elevator company that did repairs to all the collapsed buildings 6 months prior to the collapse. And they had access to Thermite, which you can’t just go out and buy at a store. If they could just prove even a decent link there, I would be way more compelled to believe thier story. But see the problem now is that they have already been caught lying about some stuff, so it will be even harder for me to believe them. If you watched the videos I posted you have one of the smartes physicists and most credentialed in his field, MAKING STUFF UP, in front of his peers. You can see he is uncomfortable, you can see he knows what he is saying is bullshit. I mean to anyone who looks at the videos, you telling me these men are confident that they are correct, this isn’t rocket science, this is like a problem they would give thier undergrad students. And they are tripping up all over it? The building was never in freefall? It took 5.4 seconds to collapse? Blatent outright lies. Why would they lie? They are not stupid men and it’s apparent they know they are lying and most likley they were promised something very sweet if they didn’t follow orders and lie.

V

I can make thermite at home. It’s not very hard. I can buy thermite at gun shows. It’s not a restricted item.
When something like this collapses, it will not collapse slowly.

Do you understand what freefall is? I don’t think you understand it or what it implies. It means the building came down and there was no energy lost to resistance. Resistance of the “weakened” steel support. Nothing they didn’t exist. You are free to stick your head in the sand, however, I compel you again, watch the 2 videos I posted a page or two ago. It will take 10 minutes out of your life, and you can then come back here and tell me that people who do science for a living are wrong. If you reply again, you better start off by saying. OK I watched the videos, otherwise you are not worth talking to about this. what good is it to bring up points if someone won’t even hear them.

V

Do you know the weight of a jet air liner? Of 50,000 gallons of fuel. Once metal weakens and it can’t carry the load, things are going down and fast. this will not take 2 minutes to come down, once the load snaps, there will be almost no resistance due to the structures. Metal is not goign to stretch, once it can’t hold the load, it’s going and it’s going quick.

I watched the videos, they’re edited. I don’t trust edited videos. Hell, I trust very little video now a days. It’s very easy to alter images and sound on video or audio now.[/quote]

Why did the NIST change thier findings? or do you think that was part of the editing? I can go get the reports and link them for you. You can read it with your own eyes that building 7 was in freefall. Why would thier first position be that it was slower than freefall, and then they revised it after getting pounded in a press conferance to that it was in freefall. Did they make a mistake or were the covering thier asses?

V

tom63 · June 10, 2009, 2:13pm

[quote]Vegita wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Jeffe wrote:
nik133 wrote:
God bless these men, courageous souls and my respects goes out to them! Here is the proof of explosions at the twin towers. Look without explosives, if your theory holds true that it was just jet fuel how do you explain the following: the twin towers fell so fast (almost exact free fall speed), now would you agree with me that when an object collides with another object that they do not speed up, but in fact slow down.

Well the towers did the exact opposite when they fell, they fell at such a speed where no slowing down occurred, how can this be possible with fuel not even capable of reaching the melting point of the steel trusses that the towers were made out of?

Live news reports of secondary explosions

I’ve heard this stupid melting point thing a million times now. Let’s say for arguments sake that one of the primary steel supports can hold 10,000 tons at 70*, the melting point is, I don’t know, say 4,000 degrees.

Considering that all metals lose strength as they are heating, couldn’t it be completely reasonable to say that despite not reaching that critical LIQUID point (that’s what melting means) the steel was simply heated to a point where it could no longer support that weight of the building, thereby collapsing?

Will you please go watch the video I posted. Even if they did fail, the would not fail uniformly and at the same time. The buildings would have one side fail before the other and it would come down outside of the buildings footprint. Also it would never achieve freefall, which at the very least building 7 did and that building you can’t even claim damage to trusses because of aircraft impact. Building 7 was supposedly ALL fire damage. Seriously, the videos are only a few minutes long and it is just pure simple science. If part of the story doesn’t add up, why should I believe the rest of the story.

V

These are edited videos to prove a certain viewpoint. You’re going to get more info from looking at all the info. Which is a lot of info.

What are calling 680 + architects and engineers from around the country, you telling me that they are photoshopping videos and providing bunk science? Well then WHY IN THE HELL DID NIST CHANGE THIER FINDINGS?

Firkin Jeez!

V[/quote]
There are a lot more than 600 architects and engineers in the country. I was roomates with an engineer. He had to be trained on how to work the air condiitoner.

As far as I know, there were no temperature readings done in the building, this was not a controlled experiment in a lab. This was a disaster.

You want to believe it’s a big plot, go ahead. They did it, now what are you going to do? How are you going to change anything? Let’s say it was all Islamic terrorists and they planted thermite which they made at home with controlled detonators.

How does that help the country to say we fucked up? We really screwed the pooch. The loss of public confidence in keeping up safe would be disastrous. Is that fair to the dead? No. But it might be better for the country if something valuable was learned.

Let’s say it the New World order crowd. Well, we’re going down the road to socialism and many people are to damn lazy to care. They didn’t need to do this.

Maybe Alex Jones did it to sell dvds?

The result is the same. How will the truth change anything? This was 8 years ago, the average person doesn’t care. They don’t care about a week ago.

And it might be that planes flew into buildings. As far as I know, there has been no testing on what happens to structures like this when a big jet hits them. Live testing. There’s a reason why we do it with drugs, guns, cars, and other equipment and such.

Vegita · June 10, 2009, 2:14pm

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Vegita wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Vegita wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
If you believe that 9/11 was a government cover-up, let me ask you a question: What sort of evidence would make you change your mind, convince you that it really was “just” a terrorist attack?

If you have trouble answering that, maybe you’re not as open-minded as you think you are.

I have already answered that question. If they could show me that the islamic terrorists infiltrated the elevator company that did repairs to all the collapsed buildings 6 months prior to the collapse. And they had access to Thermite, which you can’t just go out and buy at a store. If they could just prove even a decent link there, I would be way more compelled to believe thier story. But see the problem now is that they have already been caught lying about some stuff, so it will be even harder for me to believe them. If you watched the videos I posted you have one of the smartes physicists and most credentialed in his field, MAKING STUFF UP, in front of his peers. You can see he is uncomfortable, you can see he knows what he is saying is bullshit. I mean to anyone who looks at the videos, you telling me these men are confident that they are correct, this isn’t rocket science, this is like a problem they would give thier undergrad students. And they are tripping up all over it? The building was never in freefall? It took 5.4 seconds to collapse? Blatent outright lies. Why would they lie? They are not stupid men and it’s apparent they know they are lying and most likley they were promised something very sweet if they didn’t follow orders and lie.

V

I can make thermite at home. It’s not very hard. I can buy thermite at gun shows. It’s not a restricted item.
When something like this collapses, it will not collapse slowly.

Do you understand what freefall is? I don’t think you understand it or what it implies. It means the building came down and there was no energy lost to resistance. Resistance of the “weakened” steel support. Nothing they didn’t exist. You are free to stick your head in the sand, however, I compel you again, watch the 2 videos I posted a page or two ago. It will take 10 minutes out of your life, and you can then come back here and tell me that people who do science for a living are wrong. If you reply again, you better start off by saying. OK I watched the videos, otherwise you are not worth talking to about this. what good is it to bring up points if someone won’t even hear them.

V

Do you know the weight of a jet air liner? Of 50,000 gallons of fuel. Once metal weakens and it can’t carry the load, things are going down and fast. this will not take 2 minutes to come down, once the load snaps, there will be almost no resistance due to the structures. Metal is not goign to stretch, once it can’t hold the load, it’s going and it’s going quick.

I watched the videos, they’re edited. I don’t trust edited videos. Hell, I trust very little video now a days. It’s very easy to alter images and sound on video or audio now.[/quote]

Also forgot, no jetliner hit Building 7, you know we are discussing building 7 right? thats what the videos were about, you did watch them right? I’m just suprised you would bring up the jetliners and thier fuel when clearly I never said anything about the twin towers.

V

Vegita · June 10, 2009, 2:20pm

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Vegita wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Jeffe wrote:
nik133 wrote:
God bless these men, courageous souls and my respects goes out to them! Here is the proof of explosions at the twin towers. Look without explosives, if your theory holds true that it was just jet fuel how do you explain the following: the twin towers fell so fast (almost exact free fall speed), now would you agree with me that when an object collides with another object that they do not speed up, but in fact slow down.

Well the towers did the exact opposite when they fell, they fell at such a speed where no slowing down occurred, how can this be possible with fuel not even capable of reaching the melting point of the steel trusses that the towers were made out of?

Live news reports of secondary explosions

I’ve heard this stupid melting point thing a million times now. Let’s say for arguments sake that one of the primary steel supports can hold 10,000 tons at 70*, the melting point is, I don’t know, say 4,000 degrees.

Considering that all metals lose strength as they are heating, couldn’t it be completely reasonable to say that despite not reaching that critical LIQUID point (that’s what melting means) the steel was simply heated to a point where it could no longer support that weight of the building, thereby collapsing?

Will you please go watch the video I posted. Even if they did fail, the would not fail uniformly and at the same time. The buildings would have one side fail before the other and it would come down outside of the buildings footprint. Also it would never achieve freefall, which at the very least building 7 did and that building you can’t even claim damage to trusses because of aircraft impact. Building 7 was supposedly ALL fire damage. Seriously, the videos are only a few minutes long and it is just pure simple science. If part of the story doesn’t add up, why should I believe the rest of the story.

V

These are edited videos to prove a certain viewpoint. You’re going to get more info from looking at all the info. Which is a lot of info.

What are calling 680 + architects and engineers from around the country, you telling me that they are photoshopping videos and providing bunk science? Well then WHY IN THE HELL DID NIST CHANGE THIER FINDINGS?

Firkin Jeez!

V
There are a lot more than 600 architects and engineers in the country. I was roomates with an engineer. He had to be trained on how to work the air condiitoner.

As far as I know, there were no temperature readings done in the building, this was not a controlled experiment in a lab. This was a disaster.

You want to believe it’s a big plot, go ahead. They did it, now what are you going to do? How are you going to change anything? Let’s say it was all Islamic terrorists and they planted thermite which they made at home with controlled detonators.

How does that help the country to say we fucked up? We really screwed the pooch. The loss of public confidence in keeping up safe would be disastrous. Is that fair to the dead? No. But it might be better for the country if something valuable was learned.

Let’s say it the New World order crowd. Well, we’re going down the road to socialism and many people are to damn lazy to care. They didn’t need to do this.

Maybe Alex Jones did it to sell dvds?

The result is the same. How will the truth change anything? This was 8 years ago, the average person doesn’t care. They don’t care about a week ago.

And it might be that planes flew into buildings. As far as I know, there has been no testing on what happens to structures like this when a big jet hits them. Live testing. There’s a reason why we do it with drugs, guns, cars, and other equipment and such.[/quote]

I don’t need average people to do anything. Average people are just that, average. But I do need the extraodinary people to step up and bring our government back under control. We should be in control of it, not it in control of us. So thats what will happen and actually already is happening. I’m just continuing to recruit, so you know what, even if you don’t believe any of my side of the story, i’ll still fight alongside you when we need to, And i’ll have enough prepared so that if you are a little underprepared, I can help you out some. This is what all of us are doing, or at least a very lot of us are. So for now we will just continue to try and push the truth, get people on board with us and eventually, we will have enough support to put people in power who aren’t facist, or socialist pigs. We can finally get some real selfless americans to run the government the way it is supposed to be run.

V

dean12345 · June 10, 2009, 2:21pm

I really don’t have anything to add as far as an opinion or theories.

That being said, I have insomnia, came across this thread and have been up all night reading it. Now, well now i’m just depressed, because i have to go to work in an hour for my employer (the government) and train for my deployment to said harboring country of terrorists to fight the enemy. I can look at it two ways:

1.) My government killed it’s own citizens to pull me into a war with this country unjustly. How do I stay motivated to train now.
2.) 9/11 went down just the way it was portrayed by our government but my own citizens would rather believe in conspiracy theories than the validity of said war.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm… Now I am having a deep introspective moment because of this thread.

So… FUCK YOU GUYS.

I feel better now.

tom63 · June 10, 2009, 2:22pm

[quote]Vegita wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Vegita wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Vegita wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
If you believe that 9/11 was a government cover-up, let me ask you a question: What sort of evidence would make you change your mind, convince you that it really was “just” a terrorist attack?

If you have trouble answering that, maybe you’re not as open-minded as you think you are.

I have already answered that question. If they could show me that the islamic terrorists infiltrated the elevator company that did repairs to all the collapsed buildings 6 months prior to the collapse. And they had access to Thermite, which you can’t just go out and buy at a store. If they could just prove even a decent link there, I would be way more compelled to believe thier story. But see the problem now is that they have already been caught lying about some stuff, so it will be even harder for me to believe them. If you watched the videos I posted you have one of the smartes physicists and most credentialed in his field, MAKING STUFF UP, in front of his peers. You can see he is uncomfortable, you can see he knows what he is saying is bullshit. I mean to anyone who looks at the videos, you telling me these men are confident that they are correct, this isn’t rocket science, this is like a problem they would give thier undergrad students. And they are tripping up all over it? The building was never in freefall? It took 5.4 seconds to collapse? Blatent outright lies. Why would they lie? They are not stupid men and it’s apparent they know they are lying and most likley they were promised something very sweet if they didn’t follow orders and lie.

V

I can make thermite at home. It’s not very hard. I can buy thermite at gun shows. It’s not a restricted item.
When something like this collapses, it will not collapse slowly.

Do you understand what freefall is? I don’t think you understand it or what it implies. It means the building came down and there was no energy lost to resistance. Resistance of the “weakened” steel support. Nothing they didn’t exist. You are free to stick your head in the sand, however, I compel you again, watch the 2 videos I posted a page or two ago. It will take 10 minutes out of your life, and you can then come back here and tell me that people who do science for a living are wrong. If you reply again, you better start off by saying. OK I watched the videos, otherwise you are not worth talking to about this. what good is it to bring up points if someone won’t even hear them.

V

Do you know the weight of a jet air liner? Of 50,000 gallons of fuel. Once metal weakens and it can’t carry the load, things are going down and fast. this will not take 2 minutes to come down, once the load snaps, there will be almost no resistance due to the structures. Metal is not goign to stretch, once it can’t hold the load, it’s going and it’s going quick.

I watched the videos, they’re edited. I don’t trust edited videos. Hell, I trust very little video now a days. It’s very easy to alter images and sound on video or audio now.

Why did the NIST change thier findings? or do you think that was part of the editing? I can go get the reports and link them for you. You can read it with your own eyes that building 7 was in freefall. Why would thier first position be that it was slower than freefall, and then they revised it after getting pounded in a press conferance to that it was in freefall. Did they make a mistake or were the covering thier asses?

V[/quote]

Not to be mean, but how old are you? I’m 45 and have been in shit a few times, incident wise. a lot of stuff gets said that is wrong. News reports are wrong.

For example, in the book Kill Bin Laden, the Delta guy commented on the first news reports of 911. there were mixed reports on how many planes etc.

You’re right in the middle of a shit storm. The public needs and demands info now. you might not have the info yet and make a best guess. Remember how chaotic things were.

Years later it’s easy to pick apart words and statements. this is like a shooting for a cop. A month later people dissect everything said and done in a 10 second altercation where he had to decide now.

I distrust the government, but I’m not buying this one. I think they screwed up OKC. I think they should have been indicted on Waco, multiple people. The sniper in the Weaver case should be on death row. But I don’t buy a conspiracy here.

tom63 · June 10, 2009, 2:25pm

[quote]dean12345 wrote:
I really don’t have anything to add as far as an opinion or theories.

That being said, I have insomnia, came across this thread and have been up all night reading it. Now, well now i’m just depressed, because i have to go to work in an hour for my employer (the government) and train for my deployment to said harboring country of terrorists to fight the enemy. I can look at it two ways:

1.) My government killed it’s own citizens to pull me into a war with this country unjustly. How do I stay motivated to train now.
2.) 9/11 went down just the way it was portrayed by our government but my own citizens would rather believe in conspiracy theories than the validity of said war.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm… Now I am having a deep introspective moment because of this thread.

So… FUCK YOU GUYS.

I feel better now.[/quote]

Well said, I personally think some ragheads hijacked a plane, we were lazy and got caught with our pants down.

nik133 · June 10, 2009, 2:31pm

[quote]tom63 wrote:

There are a lot more than 600 architects and engineers in the country. I was roomates with an engineer. He had to be trained on how to work the air condiitoner.

As far as I know, there were no temperature readings done in the building, this was not a controlled experiment in a lab. This was a disaster.

You want to believe it’s a big plot, go ahead. They did it, now what are you going to do? How are you going to change anything? Let’s say it was all Islamic terrorists and they planted thermite which they made at home with controlled detonators.

How does that help the country to say we fucked up? We really screwed the pooch. The loss of public confidence in keeping up safe would be disastrous. Is that fair to the dead? No. But it might be better for the country if something valuable was learned.

Let’s say it the New World order crowd. Well, we’re going down the road to socialism and many people are to damn lazy to care. They didn’t need to do this.

Maybe Alex Jones did it to sell dvds?

The result is the same. How will the truth change anything? This was 8 years ago, the average person doesn’t care. They don’t care about a week ago.

And it might be that planes flew into buildings. As far as I know, there has been no testing on what happens to structures like this when a big jet hits them. Live testing. There’s a reason why we do it with drugs, guns, cars, and other equipment and such.[/quote]

So by your attitude, if some crime was committed 8 years ago and the average person doesn’t care, it shouldn’t matter? Honestly if that is the argument that it’s going to come down to, I beg to differ, the average person does care, maybe not as much as some other people, but they do care. We owe it to the people and their families who were affected that day to do our best to uncover the truth. If you don’t want to know what really happened in 9/11 then stop posting in this thread and stop reading this. I find it hilarious that this thread is just what I said it was, people that believe in a 9/11 conspiracy posting info and people that don’t coming in and not looking at the info and then proceeding to tell me how crazy I am.

Vegita · June 10, 2009, 2:56pm

[quote]dean12345 wrote:
I really don’t have anything to add as far as an opinion or theories.

That being said, I have insomnia, came across this thread and have been up all night reading it. Now, well now i’m just depressed, because i have to go to work in an hour for my employer (the government) and train for my deployment to said harboring country of terrorists to fight the enemy. I can look at it two ways:

1.) My government killed it’s own citizens to pull me into a war with this country unjustly. How do I stay motivated to train now.
2.) 9/11 went down just the way it was portrayed by our government but my own citizens would rather believe in conspiracy theories than the validity of said war.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm… Now I am having a deep introspective moment because of this thread.

So… FUCK YOU GUYS.

I feel better now.[/quote]

I want to get to the bottom of this beacuse of said wars. If they are invalid, I do not want any more of my countrymen getting killed in battle because of an unjust cause. For the record, I have family in the military, my uncle was in Iraq. Please don’t take my skepticism over the official story to mean that I ever want any harm to come to the men and women of our military, In fact, I want the opposite. I want you to come home to your family. I still can’t help but think that some people high up in our very own government have had a hand in all of this, and if it is ever found to be true, they should swing from the roof of capital hill for it.

V

tom63 · June 10, 2009, 3:26pm

[quote]nik133 wrote:
tom63 wrote:

There are a lot more than 600 architects and engineers in the country. I was roomates with an engineer. He had to be trained on how to work the air condiitoner.

As far as I know, there were no temperature readings done in the building, this was not a controlled experiment in a lab. This was a disaster.

You want to believe it’s a big plot, go ahead. They did it, now what are you going to do? How are you going to change anything? Let’s say it was all Islamic terrorists and they planted thermite which they made at home with controlled detonators.

How does that help the country to say we fucked up? We really screwed the pooch. The loss of public confidence in keeping up safe would be disastrous. Is that fair to the dead? No. But it might be better for the country if something valuable was learned.

Let’s say it the New World order crowd. Well, we’re going down the road to socialism and many people are to damn lazy to care. They didn’t need to do this.

Maybe Alex Jones did it to sell dvds?

The result is the same. How will the truth change anything? This was 8 years ago, the average person doesn’t care. They don’t care about a week ago.

And it might be that planes flew into buildings. As far as I know, there has been no testing on what happens to structures like this when a big jet hits them. Live testing. There’s a reason why we do it with drugs, guns, cars, and other equipment and such.

So by your attitude, if some crime was committed 8 years ago and the average person doesn’t care, it shouldn’t matter? Honestly if that is the argument that it’s going to come down to, I beg to differ, the average person does care, maybe not as much as some other people, but they do care. We owe it to the people and their families who were affected that day to do our best to uncover the truth. If you don’t want to know what really happened in 9/11 then stop posting in this thread and stop reading this. I find it hilarious that this thread is just what I said it was, people that believe in a 9/11 conspiracy posting info and people that don’t coming in and not looking at the info and then proceeding to tell me how crazy I am.[/quote]

It’s not my attitude, but you won’t get the truth about a crime 8 years ago. you need public pressure and serious evidence.

Years ago I read a book about Baltimore Police homicide detectives. They were thrilled if they cleared 70% of murders. That leaves 30% not solved. It is what it is.

You’re not going to solve much 8 years later. Evidence if there was a cover up is gone. the crime scene is changed and so on. Especially in something this huge.

Do you think the families of those 30% don’t care? Of curse they do. But this is a dead end. And the Alex Jonesites just look silly and crazy.

Vegita · June 10, 2009, 3:48pm

[quote]tom63 wrote:
nik133 wrote:
tom63 wrote:

There are a lot more than 600 architects and engineers in the country. I was roomates with an engineer. He had to be trained on how to work the air condiitoner.

As far as I know, there were no temperature readings done in the building, this was not a controlled experiment in a lab. This was a disaster.

You want to believe it’s a big plot, go ahead. They did it, now what are you going to do? How are you going to change anything? Let’s say it was all Islamic terrorists and they planted thermite which they made at home with controlled detonators.

How does that help the country to say we fucked up? We really screwed the pooch. The loss of public confidence in keeping up safe would be disastrous. Is that fair to the dead? No. But it might be better for the country if something valuable was learned.

Let’s say it the New World order crowd. Well, we’re going down the road to socialism and many people are to damn lazy to care. They didn’t need to do this.

Maybe Alex Jones did it to sell dvds?

The result is the same. How will the truth change anything? This was 8 years ago, the average person doesn’t care. They don’t care about a week ago.

And it might be that planes flew into buildings. As far as I know, there has been no testing on what happens to structures like this when a big jet hits them. Live testing. There’s a reason why we do it with drugs, guns, cars, and other equipment and such.

So by your attitude, if some crime was committed 8 years ago and the average person doesn’t care, it shouldn’t matter? Honestly if that is the argument that it’s going to come down to, I beg to differ, the average person does care, maybe not as much as some other people, but they do care. We owe it to the people and their families who were affected that day to do our best to uncover the truth. If you don’t want to know what really happened in 9/11 then stop posting in this thread and stop reading this. I find it hilarious that this thread is just what I said it was, people that believe in a 9/11 conspiracy posting info and people that don’t coming in and not looking at the info and then proceeding to tell me how crazy I am.

It’s not my attitude, but you won’t get the truth about a crime 8 years ago. you need public pressure and serious evidence.

Years ago I read a book about Baltimore Police homicide detectives. They were thrilled if they cleared 70% of murders. That leaves 30% not solved. It is what it is.

You’re not going to solve much 8 years later. Evidence if there was a cover up is gone. the crime scene is changed and so on. Especially in something this huge.

Do you think the families of those 30% don’t care? Of curse they do. But this is a dead end. And the Alex Jonesites just look silly and crazy.[/quote]

Thats your perspective, it’s a personal thing and it doesn’t make you right and us wrong. Not that I’m an alex jonesite. Like I already said, a lot of the stuff he covers is too far fetched for me without any concrete evidence. For me, the freefall collapse of building 7, the first modern steel skyscraper in history to do so because of fire damage, seems like the evidence I am looking for.

V

nik133 · June 10, 2009, 8:17pm

[quote]tom63 wrote:
It’s not my attitude, but you won’t get the truth about a crime 8 years ago. you need public pressure and serious evidence.

Years ago I read a book about Baltimore Police homicide detectives. They were thrilled if they cleared 70% of murders. That leaves 30% not solved. It is what it is.

You’re not going to solve much 8 years later. Evidence if there was a cover up is gone. the crime scene is changed and so on. Especially in something this huge.

Do you think the families of those 30% don’t care? Of curse they do. But this is a dead end. And the Alex Jonesites just look silly and crazy.[/quote]

Thanks for the random fact about Baltimore Police! Here is one for you: Cockroaches can live up to two weeks without a head because their brain is located throughout their body. We have all the evidence necessary to prove that this was a cover up, but it is people that want to ignore it that slow this process down. It’s sad that I have even debated with someone as stubborn as you, if anybody that believes the government story is going to post, just add with the post: don’t bother to respond I am sure of what I say. You never answered, what part of the official story swayed you completely towards believing it?

tom63 · June 11, 2009, 2:20am

[quote]nik133 wrote:
tom63 wrote:
It’s not my attitude, but you won’t get the truth about a crime 8 years ago. you need public pressure and serious evidence.

Years ago I read a book about Baltimore Police homicide detectives. They were thrilled if they cleared 70% of murders. That leaves 30% not solved. It is what it is.

You’re not going to solve much 8 years later. Evidence if there was a cover up is gone. the crime scene is changed and so on. Especially in something this huge.

Do you think the families of those 30% don’t care? Of curse they do. But this is a dead end. And the Alex Jonesites just look silly and crazy.

Thanks for the random fact about Baltimore Police! Here is one for you: Cockroaches can live up to two weeks without a head because their brain is located throughout their body. We have all the evidence necessary to prove that this was a cover up, but it is people that want to ignore it that slow this process down. It’s sad that I have even debated with someone as stubborn as you, if anybody that believes the government story is going to post, just add with the post: don’t bother to respond I am sure of what I say. You never answered, what part of the official story swayed you completely towards believing it?[/quote]

They are not necessarily facts. They are in some cases eyewitness testimony in a heated situation. Eyewitness testimony is often inaccurate and very prone to internal bias. These inaccurate statements aren’t facts, they are your opinion.

This is a lot different that charlie Beckwith telling the ATF to hit the Waco compound at 3 am and they decide to tip off TV stations and do it so they can be on the prime time news. This is way different than an office building blown up with no ATF employees present at about 8am.

This is a whole lot of psuedo science and conspiracy clap trap from a guy who makes a living selling conspiracy clap trap. Again, there has never been a study done on a full size disaster like this…EVER.

Car companies crash test cars. gun companies torture test guns. No one flies airplanes of that size into 100 story skyscrapers and studies the data.

It’s not stubborn. It’s called thinking with an open mind. There is no need for conspiracies. The government is constantly trying to increase it’s power and limit our rights. you don’t need to listen to a shortwave radio with a tinfoil hat on to see that. It’s all out in the open.

Call your congressman and ask to meet with him and show him your evidence and see how far you get. It’s a dead issue that will live on in net land until Alex Jones finds some other boogie man.

tom63 · June 11, 2009, 2:25am

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