9/11 is NOT a Conspiracy!

[nik133]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
False flag ops are SOP all around the world.

"Why did so many survivors of the Tube bombings say that the explosions came upwards through the floor of the trains, not down, as would be the case if a backpack blew up inside?

And why do no passengers on the London-bound Luton train clearly remember the four bombers with their huge rucksacks on that fateful morning?

There was a mock terrorist exercise going on in London that day.

Former Scotland Yard officer Peter Power said on BBC radio: ‘At half-past nine this morning we were running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up.’

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2009/07/daily-mail-rumours-swell-that.html

9/11 was a false flag op and so was the London tube bombings. Denying these obvious facts means that one is simply…in denial.
[/quote]

To add to that, it seems that these attacks always happen on a day where a “disaster drill” is being held. During the Oklahoma City Bombings the ATF was staging an anti terror drill with their bomb squad on April 19 at the same time that the real event took place. On the morning of September 11 the Pentagon was running 5 drills, 2 of the drills targetting the exact same target at the exact same time, which caused NORAD to stand down believing it was just a drill. During the 7/7 bombings in London their was a simultaneous exercise targeting the exact same trains, the exact same bus, at the exact same locations, at the very same time. So lets calculate the odds of a drill being held during a terror attack three times by using an Actuarial table (the same ones insurance companies use) to calculate the odds of drills like the ones that took place happening for every single day of these attacks the odds are 1 in 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (41 zeros), to put that in perspect that is more then trillions and trillions and trillions times all the grains of sand in the world. Again we can argue whether or not any of these were false flags, but you cannot deny that there are an incredible amount of coincidences surrounding all these events.

[Headhunter]

[quote]nik133 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
False flag ops are SOP all around the world.

"Why did so many survivors of the Tube bombings say that the explosions came upwards through the floor of the trains, not down, as would be the case if a backpack blew up inside?

And why do no passengers on the London-bound Luton train clearly remember the four bombers with their huge rucksacks on that fateful morning?

There was a mock terrorist exercise going on in London that day.

Former Scotland Yard officer Peter Power said on BBC radio: ‘At half-past nine this morning we were running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up.’

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2009/07/daily-mail-rumours-swell-that.html

9/11 was a false flag op and so was the London tube bombings. Denying these obvious facts means that one is simply…in denial.

To add to that, it seems that these attacks always happen on a day where a “disaster drill” is being held. During the Oklahoma City Bombings the ATF was staging an anti terror drill with their bomb squad on April 19 at the same time that the real event took place. On the morning of September 11 the Pentagon was running 5 drills, 2 of the drills targetting the exact same target at the exact same time, which caused NORAD to stand down believing it was just a drill. During the 7/7 bombings in London their was a simultaneous exercise targeting the exact same trains, the exact same bus, at the exact same locations, at the very same time. So lets calculate the odds of a drill being held during a terror attack three times by using an Actuarial table (the same ones insurance companies use) to calculate the odds of drills like the ones that took place happening for every single day of these attacks the odds are 1 in 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (41 zeros), to put that in perspect that is more then trillions and trillions and trillions times all the grains of sand in the world. Again we can argue whether or not any of these were false flags, but you cannot deny that there are an incredible amount of coincidences surrounding all these events.[/quote]

Agreed. When a ‘coincidence’ happens more than once or even a few times, there’s something more there.

[tom63]

[quote]conorh wrote:
Vegita wrote:
tom63 wrote:
nik133 wrote:
Another problem with this so called pancake theory is this: What happened to the 47 massive steel columns that made up the core of the twin towers, they were the weight bearing structures in the towers. If the pancake theory were true, then these structures should’ve been sticking up several hundred feet in the air. What did the 9/11 commision say about this though?

They actually attempted to say that these columns did not exist, eventhough the columns were the unique feature about the twin towers. They then proceeded to say incorrectly that most of the weight of the towers were held in the columns exterior walls, why all these lies. Why did the 9/11 report not even mention the collapse of building 7 within the report, I guess a 47 story building collapsing at freefall speed from fires on 2 of its floors isn’t worthy of even a footnote.

Wrong, are you now an engineer who has studied buildings that have collapsed. Again, the super hot burning jet fuel will weaken the metal, the the weight will cause stuff to collapse. Weak steel cannot hold the load, so it will bend or deform. This then starts a cascade.

No wonder you people are considered loons. You argue the exception, or what you think is the exception , not the rule.

Again, my buddy the rocket scientist said what happened is what he would expect to happen in that situation.

Sorry dude, But AE911truth has real scientists, architects and engineers who don’t believe it would happen that way. Over 600 of them. You “buddy” may or may not even exist and if he does exist, hasn’t put in the time researching all the specifics of the case.

Just because your real or made up buddy says he didn’t have a problem with the story, doesn’t discount the 600+ scientist, architects and engineers who DO have a problem with it.

So again, you can call us loons, but go call the AE911truth people loons. They will bury you or me or anyone with thier experience in exactly these areas. The government has a “few” architects and engineers who did the work for them and came up with the story. From what I know, there isn’t any of them who have done the math and ran the figures who believe the official story.

Again it all comes down to building 7. Let me put up a picture for you to have a look at, and then consider that Building 5 and 6 were basically engulfed in flames, and took a way haevier hit with the debris field and both still stood at the end of the day.

Again, my premise, if building 7 collapsed, it had to be taken down. If they had explosives planted in building 7 then someone knew something.

V

The whole “There are X number of experts who support X” argument doesn’t really help your cause. You can find 600 lunatics to support anything; it’s a big world.

Plus, it’s duplicitous because it ignores the fact that there are many more experts than that who support the official explanation.
[/quote]

I have another friend who works with steel, putting up buildings. I asked him about this also. This guy is in his sixties and has done this work his entire life.

And yes,he also thinks that when a big ole jet airliner crashes into a building with all of that jet fuel that things can and will happen like we saw. As he said, every support structure in such a building depends on the other supports. you destroy some as happened and the building will collapse.

Now here is an expert who actually puts up buildings and has done it for 40 some years. He’s not some weirdo thinking the government is trying to kill him because he exposed them with some dvds.

[tom63]

[quote]nik133 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
False flag ops are SOP all around the world.

"Why did so many survivors of the Tube bombings say that the explosions came upwards through the floor of the trains, not down, as would be the case if a backpack blew up inside?

And why do no passengers on the London-bound Luton train clearly remember the four bombers with their huge rucksacks on that fateful morning?

There was a mock terrorist exercise going on in London that day.

Former Scotland Yard officer Peter Power said on BBC radio: ‘At half-past nine this morning we were running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up.’

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2009/07/daily-mail-rumours-swell-that.html

9/11 was a false flag op and so was the London tube bombings. Denying these obvious facts means that one is simply…in denial.

To add to that, it seems that these attacks always happen on a day where a “disaster drill” is being held. During the Oklahoma City Bombings the ATF was staging an anti terror drill with their bomb squad on April 19 at the same time that the real event took place. On the morning of September 11 the Pentagon was running 5 drills, 2 of the drills targetting the exact same target at the exact same time, which caused NORAD to stand down believing it was just a drill.

During the 7/7 bombings in London their was a simultaneous exercise targeting the exact same trains, the exact same bus, at the exact same locations, at the very same time. So lets calculate the odds of a drill being held during a terror attack three times by using an Actuarial table (the same ones insurance companies use) to calculate the odds of drills like the ones that took place happening for every single day of these attacks the odds are 1 in 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (41 zeros), to put that in perspect that is more then trillions and trillions and trillions times all the grains of sand in the world.

Again we can argue whether or not any of these were false flags, but you cannot deny that there are an incredible amount of coincidences surrounding all these events.[/quote]

And every time I got my ass wasted drunk it happened to be the weekend! My God! It was like 5 times in the past five years! And every day involved a PSU football game on TV! And every time they won! The odds are like five thousand bazillion jillion to one.

The events listed aren’t linked, so these stats aren’t even stats. It is possible that the people who did the bad things might have had some intelligence that told them these drills were occurring. It is common knowledge that biker gangs have friends and associates who work in various government positions.

I find it highly probable that well financed terror groups might have some way of finding out something as simple as a drill. Hacking a website, paid informant, sympathizer etc. is more likely than the evil gubbinment did it.

[nik133]

[quote]tom63 wrote:
nik133 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
False flag ops are SOP all around the world.

"Why did so many survivors of the Tube bombings say that the explosions came upwards through the floor of the trains, not down, as would be the case if a backpack blew up inside?

And why do no passengers on the London-bound Luton train clearly remember the four bombers with their huge rucksacks on that fateful morning?

There was a mock terrorist exercise going on in London that day.

Former Scotland Yard officer Peter Power said on BBC radio: ‘At half-past nine this morning we were running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up.’

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2009/07/daily-mail-rumours-swell-that.html

9/11 was a false flag op and so was the London tube bombings. Denying these obvious facts means that one is simply…in denial.

To add to that, it seems that these attacks always happen on a day where a “disaster drill” is being held. During the Oklahoma City Bombings the ATF was staging an anti terror drill with their bomb squad on April 19 at the same time that the real event took place.

On the morning of September 11 the Pentagon was running 5 drills, 2 of the drills targetting the exact same target at the exact same time, which caused NORAD to stand down believing it was just a drill.

During the 7/7 bombings in London their was a simultaneous exercise targeting the exact same trains, the exact same bus, at the exact same locations, at the very same time. So lets calculate the odds of a drill being held during a terror attack three times by using an Actuarial table (the same ones insurance companies use) to calculate the odds of drills like the ones that took place happening for every single day of these attacks the odds are 1 in 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (41 zeros), to put that in perspect that is more then trillions and trillions and trillions times all the grains of sand in the world.

Again we can argue whether or not any of these were false flags, but you cannot deny that there are an incredible amount of coincidences surrounding all these events.

And every time I got my ass wasted drunk it happened to be the weekend! My God! It was like 5 times in the past five years! And every day involved a PSU football game on TV! And every time they won! The odds are like five thousand bazillion jillion to one.

The events listed aren’t linked, so these stats aren’t even stats. It is possible that the people who did the bad things might have had some intelligence that told them these drills were occurring. It is common knowledge that biker gangs have friends and associates who work in various government positions.

I find it highly probable that well financed terror groups might have some way of finding out something as simple as a drill. Hacking a website, paid informant, sympathizer etc. is more likely than the evil gubbinment did it.[/quote]

Its not hard to deny and ignore facts and I applaud you in your ability because I thought if I continued to throw out FACTS vs your random babble about absolutely nothing citing some random friend, meanwhile we show you 700 architects and engineers who agree with us and then you people say that you can find 700 lunatics to say anything, well likewise you can find a friend to agree with anything.

Again great job ignoring everything everyone has said, why even post if you are so oblivious to everything but your own points?

[parsley]

I dont know if it has been posted yet but this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3719259008768610598

Is enough for me to believe it was a conspiracy. Great facts and research with scientific proof. Dont be so close minded everyone

[nik133]

[quote]parsley wrote:
I dont know if it has been posted yet but this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3719259008768610598

Is enough for me to believe it was a conspiracy. Great facts and research with scientific proof. Dont be so close minded everyone[/quote]

I find that more and more of us youth ( I think I read you are around 14? and I 17) are starting to see the world for what it is and hopefully this generation can actually change something, although I also notice that there is a buttload of complete friggin idiots in our generation too, I guess time will tell. Glad you are so informed at such a young age!

[parsley]

[quote]nik133 wrote:
parsley wrote:
I dont know if it has been posted yet but this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3719259008768610598

Is enough for me to believe it was a conspiracy. Great facts and research with scientific proof. Dont be so close minded everyone

I find that more and more of us youth ( I think I read you are around 14? and I 17) are starting to see the world for what it is and hopefully this generation can actually change something, although I also notice that there is a buttload of complete friggin idiots in our generation too, I guess time will tell. Glad you are so informed at such a young age![/quote]

Im a bright kid but im not a genius but i think maybe because i am young that a video with hard evidence going AGAINST the government can get me to believe that it is correct. What i am trying to say here is that Americans don’t believe 9/11 was a conspiracy because they are too closed minded and ignorant. They want to believe their government isnt corrupt, greedy and filled with a bunch of dicks who couldn’t give a shit about anything except profit. Why do those who haven’t even looked at evidence, to support either side, immediately say, “9/11 a conspiracy? Thats bullshit and ridiculous”

Just watch the video and get your head out of your ass people!

[Vegita]

[quote]tom63 wrote:
conorh wrote:
Vegita wrote:
tom63 wrote:
nik133 wrote:
Another problem with this so called pancake theory is this: What happened to the 47 massive steel columns that made up the core of the twin towers, they were the weight bearing structures in the towers. If the pancake theory were true, then these structures should’ve been sticking up several hundred feet in the air. What did the 9/11 commision say about this though?

They actually attempted to say that these columns did not exist, eventhough the columns were the unique feature about the twin towers. They then proceeded to say incorrectly that most of the weight of the towers were held in the columns exterior walls, why all these lies. Why did the 9/11 report not even mention the collapse of building 7 within the report, I guess a 47 story building collapsing at freefall speed from fires on 2 of its floors isn’t worthy of even a footnote.

Wrong, are you now an engineer who has studied buildings that have collapsed. Again, the super hot burning jet fuel will weaken the metal, the the weight will cause stuff to collapse. Weak steel cannot hold the load, so it will bend or deform. This then starts a cascade.

No wonder you people are considered loons. You argue the exception, or what you think is the exception , not the rule.

Again, my buddy the rocket scientist said what happened is what he would expect to happen in that situation.

Sorry dude, But AE911truth has real scientists, architects and engineers who don’t believe it would happen that way. Over 600 of them. You “buddy” may or may not even exist and if he does exist, hasn’t put in the time researching all the specifics of the case.

Just because your real or made up buddy says he didn’t have a problem with the story, doesn’t discount the 600+ scientist, architects and engineers who DO have a problem with it.

So again, you can call us loons, but go call the AE911truth people loons. They will bury you or me or anyone with thier experience in exactly these areas. The government has a “few” architects and engineers who did the work for them and came up with the story. From what I know, there isn’t any of them who have done the math and ran the figures who believe the official story.

Again it all comes down to building 7. Let me put up a picture for you to have a look at, and then consider that Building 5 and 6 were basically engulfed in flames, and took a way haevier hit with the debris field and both still stood at the end of the day.

Again, my premise, if building 7 collapsed, it had to be taken down. If they had explosives planted in building 7 then someone knew something.

V

The whole “There are X number of experts who support X” argument doesn’t really help your cause. You can find 600 lunatics to support anything; it’s a big world.

Plus, it’s duplicitous because it ignores the fact that there are many more experts than that who support the official explanation.

I have another friend who works with steel, putting up buildings. I asked him about this also. This guy is in his sixties and has done this work his entire life.

And yes,he also thinks that when a big ole jet airliner crashes into a building with all of that jet fuel that things can and will happen like we saw. As he said, every support structure in such a building depends on the other supports. you destroy some as happened and the building will collapse.

Now here is an expert who actually puts up buildings and has done it for 40 some years. He’s not some weirdo thinking the government is trying to kill him because he exposed them with some dvds.[/quote]

Wow, just WOW! Again, we have another fucking genious who is going to explain to me how building 7 collapsed. Guess what he is saying everyone, you guessed it, he knows someone who said if planes fly into buildings then they will collpase. Wow, great job, now maybe you can get your head out of your ass and go read what I said, no plane hit building 7 and the debris field of the collapsing towers was mostly blocked by buildings 5 and 6, which subsequently, didn’t collapse. But building 7, home to CIA, FBI, ATF and many more governmental top secret agencies, happens to collapse due to “normal office fires”. Some of you can’t even hold a singular simple concept in your head, I can’t believe some of you even made it out of high school.

V

[John_S1]

Really? People still think this is a conspiracy?

[nik133]

Survivor of WTC7 talking about explosions going off during the attacks on the twin towers:

World Exclusive: WTC7 Survivor Barry Jennings Account

[nik133]

Geez I wonder how those bombs got in the towers?

Federal Eye - GAO: Major Security Flaws at Federal Buildings

Newsday | Long Island's & NYC's News Source

So Bush’s brother was involved with the security of the towers??? Hmmm

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

[Slayers]

[quote]nik133 wrote:

On the morning of September 11 the Pentagon was running 5 drills, 2 of the drills targetting the exact same target at the exact same time, which caused NORAD to stand down believing it was just a drill. [/quote]

Nik that is just plan dumb to think about something like that. Do you realize that the military has drills just about every week? If you are referring to Northern Vigilance going on that morning you need to know it started on sept. 9th and it is something that had been done every year to watch the Russians military. And wait for it. On sept. 10th NEADS made plans for operation Vigilant Guardian which will put American and Canadian jets on war games in the North East. The Alert fighters which were at 2 bases Otis and Langley are instructed to have bigger load outs for the 10th-13th and extra fuel to intercept Russian fighters that will be flying at the same time. Now heres your conspiracy parts. Langley has 3 fighter squadrons 1 is over in saudi for southern watch and will be there for 90 days. Another had just came back from its tour in saudi on the 9th. And the last is in Nevada for Red flag that is every aug-sept. On alert that day is f-16s from North Dakota.

Your stand down order was never given to anyone. At 6:30 that morning Vigilant Guardian started with f-15s from otis taking off and flying over the Atlantic. The FAA and NORD or NEADS has no easy way to communicate if the FAA needs the military they need to contact a military officer on duty at the FAA who needs to contact NORD who then would contact the correct sector where the operations are going on.

When NEADS finally sends out the alert for the attack the alert fighters who has been briefed for weeks about the possibility of Russian jets making it to the us they launch out towards the Ocean. Since no one is clear on where to go when they are told they are miles out to sea and have to come back. They CAN NOT fly supersonic over American land so are unable to fly as fast as they can.

The military operation Amalgam Virgo 02 that people point out saying that they are doing hijacking flights on that morning is untrue that is not scheduled until June 2002.They were on different missions that had NO stand down orders.

You say that 5 operations are running on Sept. 11th can you tell me them?

I listed the 2 that were going on that day. And Red Flag which had ended on the 9th. What are the other 3 going on that day?

[nik133]

[quote]Slayers wrote:
nik133 wrote:

On the morning of September 11 the Pentagon was running 5 drills, 2 of the drills targetting the exact same target at the exact same time, which caused NORAD to stand down believing it was just a drill.

Nik that is just plan dumb to think about something like that. Do you realize that the military has drills just about every week? If you are referring to Northern Vigilance going on that morning you need to know it started on sept. 9th and it is something that had been done every year to watch the Russians military. And wait for it. On sept. 10th NEADS made plans for operation Vigilant Guardian which will put American and Canadian jets on war games in the North East. The Alert fighters which were at 2 bases Otis and Langley are instructed to have bigger load outs for the 10th-13th and extra fuel to intercept Russian fighters that will be flying at the same time. Now heres your conspiracy parts. Langley has 3 fighter squadrons 1 is over in saudi for southern watch and will be there for 90 days. Another had just came back from its tour in saudi on the 9th. And the last is in Nevada for Red flag that is every aug-sept. On alert that day is f-16s from North Dakota.

Your stand down order was never given to anyone. At 6:30 that morning Vigilant Guardian started with f-15s from otis taking off and flying over the Atlantic. The FAA and NORD or NEADS has no easy way to communicate if the FAA needs the military they need to contact a military officer on duty at the FAA who needs to contact NORD who then would contact the correct sector where the operations are going on.

When NEADS finally sends out the alert for the attack the alert fighters who has been briefed for weeks about the possibility of Russian jets making it to the us they launch out towards the Ocean. Since no one is clear on where to go when they are told they are miles out to sea and have to come back. They CAN NOT fly supersonic over American land so are unable to fly as fast as they can.

The military operation Amalgam Virgo 02 that people point out saying that they are doing hijacking flights on that morning is untrue that is not scheduled until June 2002.They were on different missions that had NO stand down orders.

You say that 5 operations are running on Sept. 11th can you tell me them?

I listed the 2 that were going on that day. And Red Flag which had ended on the 9th. What are the other 3 going on that day?
[/quote]

No it is not stupid, if it is explain to me why no planes were scrambled when planes veered off course so badly? As for the operations here you go:

1. OPERATION NORTHERN VIGILANCE: This was planned months in advance of 9/11 and ensured that on the morning of 9/11, jet fighters were removed from patrolling the US east coast and sent to Alaska and Canada, therefore reducing the amount of fighter planes available to protect the east coast.

2. BIOWARFARE EXERCISE TRIPOD II: Alex Jones first reported on this back in May when Rudolph Giuliani let the details of it slip in his testimony to the 9/11 Commission. FEMA arrived in New York on September 10th to set up a command post located at Pier 29 under the auspices of a 'biowarfare exercise scheduled for September 12. This explains why Tom Kenney of FEMA’s National Urban Search and Rescue Team, told Dan Rather of CBS News that FEMA had arrived in New York on the night of September 10th. This was originally dismissed as a slip of the tongue. Giuliani was to use this post as a command post on 9/11 after he evacuated WTC Building 7. As we reported back in January, Giuliani knew when to leave WTC 7 because he got advanced warning that the Trade Towers were about to collapse. “We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse,” Rudolph Giuliani told Peter Jennings of ABC News. How did Giuliani know the towers were about to collapse when no steel building in history had previously collapsed from fire damage?

3. OPERATION VIGILANT GUARDIAN: This exercise simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector and started to coincide with 9/11. Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, NORAD unit’s airborne control and warning officer, was overseeing the exercise. At 8:40am she took a call from Boston Center which said it had a hijacked airliner. Her first words, as quoted by Newhouse News Service were, “It must be part of the exercise.” This is another example of how the numerous drills on the morning of 9/11 deliberately distracted NORAD so that the real hijacked planes couldn’t be intercepted in time.

4. OPERATION NORTHERN GUARDIAN: The details of this exercise are still scant but it is considered to be part of Vigilant Guardian, relating to simulating hijacked planes in the north eastern sector.

[nik133]

5. OPERATION VIGILANT WARRIOR: This was referenced in Richard Clarke’s book ‘Against All Enemies’. It is thought to have been the ‘attack’ component of the Vigilant Guardian exercise.

The coverup continues to come out, the US government has had a special task force to distance them from 9/11:

- YouTube

Scientist talking about Nano-Thermite that he found in the rubble:

- YouTube

[Slayers]

[quote]nik133 wrote:
No it is not stupid, if it is explain to me why no planes were scrambled when planes veered off course so badly? As for the operations here you go:

1. OPERATION NORTHERN VIGILANCE: This was planned months in advance of 9/11 and ensured that on the morning of 9/11, jet fighters were removed from patrolling the US east coast and sent to Alaska and Canada, therefore reducing the amount of fighter planes available to protect the east coast.

2. BIOWARFARE EXERCISE TRIPOD II: Alex Jones first reported on this back in May when Rudolph Giuliani let the details of it slip in his testimony to the 9/11 Commission. FEMA arrived in New York on September 10th to set up a command post located at Pier 29 under the auspices of a 'biowarfare exercise scheduled for September 12. This explains why Tom Kenney of FEMA’s National Urban Search and Rescue Team, told Dan Rather of CBS News that FEMA had arrived in New York on the night of September 10th. This was originally dismissed as a slip of the tongue. Giuliani was to use this post as a command post on 9/11 after he evacuated WTC Building 7. As we reported back in January, Giuliani knew when to leave WTC 7 because he got advanced warning that the Trade Towers were about to collapse. “We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse,” Rudolph Giuliani told Peter Jennings of ABC News. How did Giuliani know the towers were about to collapse when no steel building in history had previously collapsed from fire damage?

3. OPERATION VIGILANT GUARDIAN: This exercise simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector and started to coincide with 9/11. Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, NORAD unit’s airborne control and warning officer, was overseeing the exercise. At 8:40am she took a call from Boston Center which said it had a hijacked airliner. Her first words, as quoted by Newhouse News Service were, “It must be part of the exercise.” This is another example of how the numerous drills on the morning of 9/11 deliberately distracted NORAD so that the real hijacked planes couldn’t be intercepted in time.

4. OPERATION NORTHERN GUARDIAN: The details of this exercise are still scant but it is considered to be part of Vigilant Guardian, relating to simulating hijacked planes in the north eastern sector.

5. OPERATION VIGILANT WARRIOR: This was referenced in Richard Clarke’s book ‘Against All Enemies’. It is thought to have been the ‘attack’ component of the Vigilant Guardian exercise.

[/quote]

#1 operation northern vigilance is ran every year. It is a a joint operations between Canada and US to watch the Russian Bombers in the North. Units are slated for this operations months in advance.

#3 & 5 are also ran together with US & other NATO forces simulating russian attacks over greenland and from the West. The Warrior part of the mission is the OPFOR units that are Russian forces and the Guardian Forces intercept at different point using radar and satalites. Once again the forces are slated for this months in advance.

#2 is a FEMA operation not military it is about Bio weapons being used in the subways and other places in NY. Kinda like what has happened in other country’s in Europe. Now if you want to call that a smoking gun where are the Bio weapons used that day? how would you expect a team that is training for bio weapons to be able to do anything that happened that day.

#4 is just about as real is the easter bunny or santa claus. Yes there were plans for a “war Game” using a Hijacked plane but that was not going to be for a hole year.

If you want to question the Jets look at the FAA first. Flight 11 is Hijacked at 8:14 it turns of its Transponder code at 8:21. It is still on radar but no altitude is given anymore and with the thousands of other planes in the sky they have to keep track of it and its heading. At 8:38 the first call is put into NEADS who are running operations at the time. The CO of NEADS need to confirm what is going on and orders Otis fighters to launch at 8:46. They are sent on a path out to the ocean and down the coast into military air space no one really knows where flight 11 is and they military has not been told about flight 175 yet either. Now 8 mins to confirm what is going on and giving the launch is really not that bad when you have to consider what it takes to get the military ball rolling.But why did the FAA what 17 mins to call NEADS.

If you want to try to argue that we did not have enough alert fighters that day guess what it was the same amount of fighters available since the end of the cold war. The Military had 14 alert fights ready 24 hours a day to be able to launch with in 8-12 mins of getting the call to launch.

[nik133]

Ok fine maybe the gap between the two towers getting hit was too close to do anything, even though planes were severely off course. How do they allow the Pentagon to be hit almost an hour after the first plane hit the towers?

After two planes had hit and it is apparent it is an attack, wouldn’t the most important thing be securing every other plane in flight and making sure that all federal buildings that might be targets get evacuated?

The point is, on that day there were countless failures to protect the country and not one person has been held accountable to this day and for 3,000 people to die and not one person be held in any way accountable is very wrong.

[BackInAction]

I can’t believe this thread still exists. You are all assuming the government knows what it’s doing. It’s doesn’t. What did we gain out of all this? Nothing. Our economy is absolute shit now. This entire idea that 9/11 is a conspiracy is ridiculous. Once you get a little older, you’ll see this for what it is… a delusion.

Focus your attention on issues that are real and matter instead of wasting it on this fake conspiracy theory.

[nik133]

[quote]BackInAction wrote:
I can’t believe this thread still exists. You are all assuming the government knows what it’s doing. It’s doesn’t. What did we gain out of all this? Nothing. Our economy is absolute shit now. This entire idea that 9/11 is a conspiracy is ridiculous. Once you get a little older, you’ll see this for what it is… a delusion.

Focus your attention on issues that are real and matter instead of wasting it on this fake conspiracy theory.

[/quote]

What did the government gain out of this? Let’s see:
1.They have this never ending enemy called a terrorist and can justify any war by saying we have to stop them
2.Take away citizen rights such as the 4th amendment by bringing in the Patriot Act
3.They can label any person a terrorist, take them away, torture them until they confess and there is nothing you can do about it
4.Profiting by funding both sides of the fight and never ending war
5.As soon as the attack happened Bush had one of the highest approval ratings ever recorded and this galvanized the people together behind Bush and any policy he wanted to bring in “to protect the people”

I think it is you that needs to do some growing up and look at the facts, instead of ignoring everything and living in your fairy tale world. The truth is that if you didn’t like Bush, you shouldn’t like Obama as he has kept a lot of the people that Bush had in power.

[BackInAction]

[quote]nik133 wrote:
What did the government gain out of this? Let’s see:
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1.They have this never ending enemy called a terrorist and can justify any war by saying we have to stop them

This has always occurred in some way, shape, or form in war. When it was the Communists, we did the same thing. This is irrelevant since it doesn’t prove 9/11 was a conspiracy.

2.Take away citizen rights such as the 4th amendment by bringing in the Patriot Act

You are naive if you believe this wasn’t happening (at least to the some extent) before 9/11. I have a hard time believing the government would kill thoursands of it’s own people to just improve their surveillance capabilities.

3.They can label any person a terrorist, take them away, torture them until they confess and there is nothing you can do about it

See above. We could have done this without killing people. Irrelevant.

4.Profiting by funding both sides of the fight and never ending war

If you haven’t realized already, we are running up a massive deficient (partially because of these wars). All those trillions we’ve profited must be off the books in GW’s pockets. You got me!

5.As soon as the attack happened Bush had one of the highest approval ratings ever recorded and this galvanized the people together behind Bush and any policy he wanted to bring in “to protect the people”

No shit! I never thought people would be scared when their country is attacked and rally behind their president. Who would have thought.