[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
Never claimed to…I don’t know the details thats why I like to discuss this stuff. All I know is I’m living what I say. Tried it both ways, eating as little as you can is the way to go for many reasons.
That is, if looking like a bodybuilder is at all a concern…if you are just concerned with scale weight & strength, then this would of course not apply.[/quote]
I agree with this.
To simply consume a ton of calories without determining how many you need to gain weight or just eating so many that you have no choice but to gain weight isn’t IMO a great way for someone that is past the beginner stage.
Find what you need, but I don’t see the practical need to eat more than you need to slowly gain weight if that’s your goal. If your preference is to get heavier, that’s a different issue. [/quote]
I think the point being lost is that there is no way in hell for you to predict even daily “what you need” exactly to only gain muscle mass with no extra body fat. What you can do is estimate based on your rate of weight gain and strength gain. There were many stages where I went through periods of making SURE my body was getting what it NEEDED when it needed it so that there would be no question. That is all bulking up is.
Purposely gaining “slower” instead of gaining at whatever rate allows the most muscle gain can’t logically produce the same amount of muscle mass over the same period of time.
Your gains are what should dictate your approach…just like Frank is apparently eating more than some here think he should yet has gained way more than the “exactly .8lbs of muscle a month” as a result. Doing anything other than feeding the machine as long as most of those gains are muscle mass can do nothing but decrease the rate of progress, not increase it.[/quote]
See, that’s where we just disagree.
For example, take someone that gained 30 lb over a specific time interval because they over-ate vs. someone that progressively ate a little more, just enough to keep adding weight and gained 10-15 lb. Just because you are training hard and adding weight on the scale doesn’t at all mean that that weight is muscle. Obviously you know this, but what I mean to say is that I don’t personally see the point of gaining significantly more fat than necessary vs. gaining slower and gaining primarily muscle mass. I’m also not referring to a ‘95 lb kid that is just starting out.’
You’re right, we don’t truly know at what caloric intake we gain muscle, but we also don’t know how much of that weight gained will be fat vs. muscle. So, when the time comes to finally strip off that excess fat, having less vs. more will put you in a better position.
I really think it comes down to personal preference. If you’d rather be heavier, be heavier. If a bit leaner, be leaner. Either way, I don’t see the rate of muscle growth being much different unless someone’s trying to stay super lean in which case it’s probably hindering muscle growth. [/quote]
If I can gain 50 pounds in a year, and half of it is fat, I still have 25 pounds of muscles.
vs. someone who progresses slowly, with the mentality of 1 pound of muscle a month…and stay leaned through out and added about 15 pounds of muscles, I still have more muslces than he does.
And then you say, now you need to cut 25 pounds of fat, and the other guy can just keep going and by gaining more lean muscle mass without having to cut.
Well, if can lose 25 pounds of fat in the next 5 months, then I would probably still end up with more muscles than the other guy. Plus the fact that after you cut and restrict calories, your body would bounce right up and make the next bulking phase that much easier in the first few months.
Kelly Baggett mentioned a study where a person who just does nothing but sit on his couch and eat still gained muscles underneath the fat.
PLus, it’s more fun doing it this wa
I think I’ll keep doing it this way. It’s more fun too because you get to make more exiting videos this way.
