7 Yr Old Girl Killed in Police Raid

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[quote]mapwhap wrote:

As for those of you claiming mistakes should never be made in a tactical environment…you are fools. Ask anyone on here who has ever been in a tactical or combat scenario…mistakes always get made. Something ALWAYS goes wrong. It may be small, or it may be huge, but there is no such thing as a perfect op when things go live. There are Special Operations guys on here, straight leg Infantry guys, etc, etc…they all will agree…something ALWAYS goes wrong in the real world.
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Absolutely correct.

I have seen so much ignorance about the reality of these situations. I have seen major newspaper editors question why the police couldn’t have “disabled” a suspect with a shot instead of killing them. Insanity. In the courtroom, this type of break with reality is called the “CSI” effect. Jurors are being filled up with nonsense information from Hollywood and basing their decisions on that. I think the same thing does happen in the tactical environment. Perceptions of reality have been created by Hollywood, the video game industry etc. and they are influencing people’s thinking, at least in a subtle, subconscious sense. Without realizing it, the public begins to expect superhuman performance at all times.

It doesn’t matter who you are, the caveman brain starts to take over when you are facing down the threat of someone putting lead or steel into your body. Training and selection can mitigate this up to a point, but only up to a point and particularly in police work, training and selection is not intense enough to begin with.

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[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Oh…I see…it’s okay for Professor X and WWEAttitude to scream racism, cos it’s okay to assume all cops are white, and they all hate black people. Because in their experience, that’s what they have seen.

So, therefore, it’s okay for me to assume that all bkack people are thugs and criminals, who do nothing but destroy everything they touch and act like a bunch of crabs in a bucket, because that’s what I’ve seen, right?

Yet somehow, I bet they’ll say it’s not okay for me to say that, and start screaming racism. I don’t personally know either of you guys, but I’ve read a lot of X’s posts. I think you are an EXTREMELY intelligent guy, so I was surprised you said what you did above. I’m not going to apologize for whatever experience you may have had with other cops…I only know how I treat people. [/quote]

You’ve been around long enough to know, at times, Prof X posts such silliness strictly to get a reaction. You fell for it.

[quote]Moving on, I thought JD430 had some very good points, and I agree that the forced entry option was not a wise choice of tactics in this case. I don’t think we would have done it that way where I am, either.

As for those of you claiming mistakes should never be made in a tactical environment…you are fools. Ask anyone on here who has ever been in a tactical or combat scenario…mistakes always get made. Something ALWAYS goes wrong. It may be small, or it may be huge, but there is no such thing as a perfect op when things go live. There are Special Operations guys on here, straight leg Infantry guys, etc, etc…they all will agree…something ALWAYS goes wrong in the real world.

Those of you who think it always goes perfectly have never gotten off the couch and done it, so it’s easy to criticize. I got news for you…being good at Call of Duty or Rainbow Six makes you nothing more than an armchair commando. If you really thought you could do things better than the people who do it in real life, then you would. The fact that you haven’t proves that you are incapable of it. [/quote]

I’ve never been in that type of environment but I’d imagine you’re correct.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Oh…I see…it’s okay for Professor X and WWEAttitude to scream racism, cos it’s okay to assume all cops are white, and they all hate black people. Because in their experience, that’s what they have seen.

So, therefore, it’s okay for me to assume that all bkack people are thugs and criminals, who do nothing but destroy everything they touch and act like a bunch of crabs in a bucket, because that’s what I’ve seen, right?

Yet somehow, I bet they’ll say it’s not okay for me to say that, and start screaming racism. I don’t personally know either of you guys, but I’ve read a lot of X’s posts. I think you are an EXTREMELY intelligent guy, so I was surprised you said what you did above. I’m not going to apologize for whatever experience you may have had with other cops…I only know how I treat people. [/quote]

You’ve been around long enough to know, at times, Prof X posts such silliness strictly to get a reaction. You fell for it.

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Gasp How dare you!

You know as well as I that if this girl were white and blond, let alone white, blond AND cute, that there would be a national holiday in her name given by the end of the month and the police department would already be giving pr about how they changed their practices to pay more attention to whether minors are on the scene before-hand.

Hell, remember Natalee Holloway missing in Aruba? Remember ALL of the press for weeks and months?

Ever heard of Matrice Richardson?

No?

Really?

I mean…REALLY?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Oh…I see…it’s okay for Professor X and WWEAttitude to scream racism, cos it’s okay to assume all cops are white, and they all hate black people. Because in their experience, that’s what they have seen.

So, therefore, it’s okay for me to assume that all bkack people are thugs and criminals, who do nothing but destroy everything they touch and act like a bunch of crabs in a bucket, because that’s what I’ve seen, right?

Yet somehow, I bet they’ll say it’s not okay for me to say that, and start screaming racism. I don’t personally know either of you guys, but I’ve read a lot of X’s posts. I think you are an EXTREMELY intelligent guy, so I was surprised you said what you did above. I’m not going to apologize for whatever experience you may have had with other cops…I only know how I treat people. [/quote]

You’ve been around long enough to know, at times, Prof X posts such silliness strictly to get a reaction. You fell for it.

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Gasp How dare you!

You know as well as I that if this girl were white and blond, let alone white, blond AND cute, that there would be a national holiday in her name given by the end of the month and the police department would already be giving pr about how they changed their practices to pay more attention to whether minors are on the scene before-hand.

Hell, remember Natalee Holloway missing in Aruba? Remember ALL of the press for weeks and months?

Ever heard of Matrice Richardson?

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/18/lawmaker-asks-for-federal-probe-into-missing-woman/

No?

Really?

I mean…REALLY?[/quote]
I agree with this. Missing white girls and women are considered the priority. Then again, it’s a white country built by whites, originally meant for whites by the founders. The flipside is that white on black crime is overreported although blacks ‘lynch’ whites every day in America, South Africa or where ever these races have to cohabit.

If blacks assumed their ancestral homeland, then of course this biased reporting would not be a problem. Except there might be no reporting at all which american and other blacks secretly know and choose to live with whites. In other words, blacks expect much more from whites than they expect from their kin. I guess it’s the whites that are the stupid ones for living up.

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Ah…see…now we’re getting to some good debate. No, X, I honestly cannot say that I had heard of Miss Richardson’s case, which really does surprise me a great deal, as I would think it WOULD be more high profile, based on where she disappeared from.

As for Natalee Holloway…you left out the most important factor besides white, blonde and cute…I believe her family is pretty wealthy, and I think that played into how much coverage that case got. I see the difference in coverage as more of a class issue than a race issue, but I see where you are coming from.

Cos believe me…I don’t think anyone in my family would get as much attention as she got if one of them disappeared. My family doesn’t have the money to keep the story on CNN that long.

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[quote]JD430 wrote:

-With the above stated, I can’t really figure why the SWAT team did not do a little more recon on the house and the occupants. Without giving away “trade secrets”, there is a philosophical movement in the tactical community that puts priority on “surround and call out”. That means the SWAT team would set up a perimeter around the home that nobody would be able to penetrate and then start negotiating with whoever is inside to arrange a surrender. That does a number of things. Hopefully, that would have allowed them to discover that there was a 7 year old inside and arrangements could have been made to get her out ASAP. Like I said, I am not going to discuss those procedures in depth but there are times when a dynamic hit on the residence would be called for, even in the eyes of the most conservative team. Without knowing all of the circumstances on the ground at this incident, I can’t say for sure. There are also different SOP’s and training methods to deal with. Detroit might be one of those teams that is taught to always “go,go,go” and if so, that mindset will need to be examined. Personally, I think surround and call-out is very viable and the safest way to get innocent people out of harm’s way. Bad things happen when heavily armed guys rush a house, jacked up on adrenaline because they are looking for a suspected murderer. Pushing hard like that should generally be a last resort or saved for very extreme, specific incidents when time is of the essence or people will die for sure.

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This, my god this. This is where I see racism, or perhaps more simply abuse of power that falls disproportionately on the lower class. They are acting recklessly and negligently.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Alffi wrote:
Why do we care about grown up black males killing each other? They’re doing what comes naturally to them and there is little that can be done to prevent what is genetic. Let nature run its course.

Perhaps the state should somehow try to forcibly adopt the seven year olds like australians were going to do with the aboriginals many moons ago.[/quote]

Are you really this stupid or just a troll?[/quote]

Strangely both…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Oh…I see…it’s okay for Professor X and WWEAttitude to scream racism, cos it’s okay to assume all cops are white, and they all hate black people. Because in their experience, that’s what they have seen.

So, therefore, it’s okay for me to assume that all bkack people are thugs and criminals, who do nothing but destroy everything they touch and act like a bunch of crabs in a bucket, because that’s what I’ve seen, right?

Yet somehow, I bet they’ll say it’s not okay for me to say that, and start screaming racism. I don’t personally know either of you guys, but I’ve read a lot of X’s posts. I think you are an EXTREMELY intelligent guy, so I was surprised you said what you did above. I’m not going to apologize for whatever experience you may have had with other cops…I only know how I treat people. [/quote]

You’ve been around long enough to know, at times, Prof X posts such silliness strictly to get a reaction. You fell for it.

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Gasp How dare you![/quote]

As long as you know I’m on to your shenanigans.

Possibly.

[quote]Hell, remember Natalee Holloway missing in Aruba? Remember ALL of the press for weeks and months?

Ever heard of Matrice Richardson?

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/18/lawmaker-asks-for-federal-probe-into-missing-woman/

No?

Really?

I mean…REALLY?[/quote]

The only thing those 2 cases have in common is that a young girl was missing. Let’s not jump to any more conclusions, just like you don’t like it when people jump to the conclusion that you’re on steroids.

Shit, I’m falling for it.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Oh…I see…it’s okay for Professor X and WWEAttitude to scream racism, cos it’s okay to assume all cops are white, and they all hate black people. Because in their experience, that’s what they have seen.

So, therefore, it’s okay for me to assume that all bkack people are thugs and criminals, who do nothing but destroy everything they touch and act like a bunch of crabs in a bucket, because that’s what I’ve seen, right?

Yet somehow, I bet they’ll say it’s not okay for me to say that, and start screaming racism. I don’t personally know either of you guys, but I’ve read a lot of X’s posts. I think you are an EXTREMELY intelligent guy, so I was surprised you said what you did above. I’m not going to apologize for whatever experience you may have had with other cops…I only know how I treat people. [/quote]

You’ve been around long enough to know, at times, Prof X posts such silliness strictly to get a reaction. You fell for it.

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Gasp How dare you![/quote]

As long as you know I’m on to your shenanigans.

Possibly.

[quote]Hell, remember Natalee Holloway missing in Aruba? Remember ALL of the press for weeks and months?

Ever heard of Matrice Richardson?

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/18/lawmaker-asks-for-federal-probe-into-missing-woman/

No?

Really?

I mean…REALLY?[/quote]

The only thing those 2 cases have in common is that a young girl was missing. Let’s not jump to any more conclusions, just like you don’t like it when people jump to the conclusion that you’re on steroids.

Shit, I’m falling for it.
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I’ve figured it out. Matrice Richardson and X are the same person. She just got on the roidz.

It’s true. I’ll bet no one here has ever seen them in the same room at the same time.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Oh…I see…it’s okay for Professor X and WWEAttitude to scream racism, cos it’s okay to assume all cops are white, and they all hate black people. Because in their experience, that’s what they have seen.

So, therefore, it’s okay for me to assume that all bkack people are thugs and criminals, who do nothing but destroy everything they touch and act like a bunch of crabs in a bucket, because that’s what I’ve seen, right?

Yet somehow, I bet they’ll say it’s not okay for me to say that, and start screaming racism. I don’t personally know either of you guys, but I’ve read a lot of X’s posts. I think you are an EXTREMELY intelligent guy, so I was surprised you said what you did above. I’m not going to apologize for whatever experience you may have had with other cops…I only know how I treat people. [/quote]

You’ve been around long enough to know, at times, Prof X posts such silliness strictly to get a reaction. You fell for it.

[/quote]

Gasp How dare you!

You know as well as I that if this girl were white and blond, let alone white, blond AND cute, that there would be a national holiday in her name given by the end of the month and the police department would already be giving pr about how they changed their practices to pay more attention to whether minors are on the scene before-hand.

Hell, remember Natalee Holloway missing in Aruba? Remember ALL of the press for weeks and months?

Ever heard of Matrice Richardson?

No?

Really?

I mean…REALLY?[/quote]
The sheriff sold her on the black market.

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Yesterday, I went to the funeral home to view the remains of the little girl who had been killed by police. Im sure everyone can agree that she was just an innocent bystander. But heres where it gets real interesting:

Last Friday, I was sitting at a friends house and we had the tv on. A breaking news story comes through. A 17 year old is shot to death in front of a liquor store. Apparently, he got into an argument with a 34 y/o man that was on a moped. Police say it started because of a dirty look which escalated into words being exchanged. The man told the teen that he’d better not be there when he came back.

So the man came back in an SUV and saw the teen he was arguing with and shot him to death. In broad daylight. On Sunday, Detroit police raided the house that the suspect was staying at. They tossed a flash bang grenade through the window and a shot was fired. Unfortunately, the shot that was fired hit the 7 year old girl and killed her.

The murder suspect was at the house and they arrested him. Upon investigating, the girls 25 year old father was found to have been inside the SUV with the man who shot the teen. In fact, the murder suspect was engaged to be married to the deceased girls aunt.

Heres an interview with the murdered teens mother. She says before the cops raided the home, the little girls family was bragging around the hood about how her son was killed.

http://wchbnewsdetroit.com/...er/#more-406061

http://www.wwj.com/...igation/7076433

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[quote]JD430 wrote:
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This post was shockingly reasonable in it’s interpretation of events yet for me it brings to light a much bigger question. If there was a struggle in the house or even if an officer mistook a target and some form of accident happened then I am hesitant to blame the officer. As much as what happened is horrible there is no way for me to honestly say I could have done any different or that I can expect the officer to do any different. They are human and they make mistakes. The problem I have is with the style of this and many other types of operation. The ‘murderer’ they went searching for is a suspect, not a criminal. It is entirely possible that this is actually a person who has done nothing wrong. Police press charges against thousands of individuals who are not convicted. For the police officers to invade, with grenades and guns, the private property of someone they suspect of wrongdoing is what is questionable here.

[quote]JD430 wrote:
Bad things happen when heavily armed guys rush a house, jacked up on adrenaline because they are looking for a suspected murderer.
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Bad things do happen. That is why they shouldn’t be there. They shouldn’t be running into private homes in this manner. I could not disagree more with the idea that officers should be running in to houses to enact an arrest, especially when the only immediate danger is that caused by the officers themselves. The sanction of these sort of actions of a long period of time erodes the privacy and freedom of citizens.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
Yesterday, I went to the funeral home to view the remains of the little girl who had been killed by police. Im sure everyone can agree that she was just an innocent bystander. But heres where it gets real interesting:

Last Friday, I was sitting at a friends house and we had the tv on. A breaking news story comes through. A 17 year old is shot to death in front of a liquor store. Apparently, he got into an argument with a 34 y/o man that was on a moped. Police say it started because of a dirty look which escalated into words being exchanged. The man told the teen that he’d better not be there when he came back.

So the man came back in an SUV and saw the teen he was arguing with and shot him to death. In broad daylight. On Sunday, Detroit police raided the house that the suspect was staying at. They tossed a flash bang grenade through the window and a shot was fired. Unfortunately, the shot that was fired hit the 7 year old girl and killed her.

The murder suspect was at the house and they arrested him. Upon investigating, the girls 25 year old father was found to have been inside the SUV with the man who shot the teen. In fact, the murder suspect was engaged to be married to the deceased girls aunt.

Heres an interview with the murdered teens mother. She says before the cops raided the home, the little girls family was bragging around the hood about how her son was killed.

http://wchbnewsdetroit.com/...er/#more-406061

http://www.wwj.com/...igation/7076433

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Intriguing…