Hey Bill, whatever happened with the actual Testosterone and Nandrolone product that had an ester attached?
Obviously I wouldn’t expect them to be legal any more… just curious what became of them and how you made them.
They were the 17-cyclopent-1’-enyl ethers of testosterone and nandrolone.
An ether differs from an ester is that in a steroid ester, the oxygen of the steroid is bonded to a carbonyl carbon of a fatty acid, while in an ether, the oxygen is bonded to an alkyl carbon of an alkyl or cycloalkyl group. In this case, cycloalkenyl.
The Italian medicinal chemist Ercoli either invented this type of ether, or was the first to use it in a pharmaceutical. Specifically, quinbolone uses this promoiety. As for making an initial sample, I used Ercoli’s method. By now I don’t recall what it was. Really, while using such an ether was new to the supplement industry, it had really very little originality in general.
The manufacturer that we intended to buy production quantities from tried various methods of synthesis, but – as is typical – considered them proprietary so while I knew of some changes as they tried to keep me informed of what was going on, and sometimes asked for suggestions on very specific points, I never did know just what they were doing. (Manufacturers like it that way: if they informed the customer, the customer could take that knowledge to another manufacturer and be up and running almost immediately rather than requiring, again, months of research.)
The problem was – and this may be related to the bb’ing.com bust mentioned in another thread, or if not to that, to other troubles some other companies have had – that the manufacturer was never able to get the quantity of unether-ified (not sure if that is a word) testosterone or nandrolone down to being actually undetectable, which we insisted on. They continued for quite some time to believe they could do it, but ultimately they decided not.
The reason it may be related is that I expect that some busts lately probably have been due to only trace quantities of banned substances. With those companies not being careful enough to have levels of unreacted product or side-reaction products truly below detection.