7 Foods Experts Won't Eat

Nutrition
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[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Yes, things you can’t see cannot be harmful.

And there are no regards in which any diseases are markedly more prevalent in our current society than has been true in the past, beyond what might be accounted for by increased sugar intake anyway. Therefore, there are no causes to explain such increases, as the increases don’t exist.

You’re right. Can’t see it, it can’t hurt.[/quote]

Not what I said. Not what anyone said. I dont deny fact, but sometimes I think “Shit, am I gonna enjoy any part of my life if I keep worrying shit all the time”

To some people this aint a big deal. Everyone buys canned food. Not everyone is a health wreck. I wont spend half my free time throwing away tomatoes I dont use, going to buy some more etc etc.

Ironic that todays article is also about stressing out less… then I see a thread about canned food over jarred/fresh food where people are arguing. [/quote]

Amen Brotha. Seriously, what have we become?

Its one thing to have general guidlines on whats good to eat (and what to avoid) but this is seriously majoring in the minors.

Mom: Hmmmm let’s see…KIDS! What do you want for dinner tonight?

Kids: Meat, fruits and veggies mama!

Mom: Ahhh kids, I don’t feel like making that. Its too much work. Mommy’s tired.

Kids: What about canned tuna and veggies? We WOV canned tuna and veggies!

Mom: FUCK that, we’re going to McDonald’s!

Btw, I realize the unlikely nature of children wanting lean meat, fruits and veggies, but it serves the purpose of illustrating a point.

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What I’m wondering is why they started lining cans with plastic in the first place?

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[quote]nikinine wrote:
What I’m wondering is why they started lining cans with plastic in the first place?[/quote]

Probably to protect the food from metals, as well as metal oxides/hydroxides and salts, aluminium is very reactive, and very vulnerable to acids, as well as being a neurotoxin, which makes it easy to understand why they’d want to cover it with plastic.

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Thx for this The Vinci

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I have no idea why any would make this a “stress” issue as a means of dismissing whether people should consider it, or for any other reason raising that as a point, as I can’t imagine why stress would be involved.

However I guess some people stress over things that others can just think about and, if desired, alter their decisions on without feeling stress.

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[quote]Schmazz wrote:
From the article:

“When the government approved rBGH, it was thought that IGF-1 from milk would be broken down in the human digestive tract,” says North. As it turns out, the casein in milk protects most of it, according to several independent studies."

Hell yeah. Gonna get my IGF-1 on and slam a gallon of pus-filled milk.[/quote]

I know. I can’t believe everyone missed that part of the article and are freaking out over the BPA in in canned tomatoes. IGF-1 FTW in my chocolate milk!

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I have no idea why any would make this a “stress” issue as a means of dismissing whether people should consider it, or for any other reason raising that as a point, as I can’t imagine why stress would be involved.

However I guess some people stress over things that others can just think about and, if desired, alter their decisions on without feeling stress.[/quote]

I feel like people have been born and bred to “deal with it” even though they are dealing with it while big business is feeding their cows chicken shit and making a ton of money off of feeding us SHIT.

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[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
Whats wrong with just eating some canned stuff?

Jesus, if you’re gonna die you’re gonna die. You could get hit by a bus, stabbed, shot, randomly drop down with a stroke or heart attack. Do you worry about all this in day to day life? Cause if you dont, and you’re worrying about a can of chopped tomato leaking crap you cant see into your food based on its PH level, you’re definately “majoring in the minor”.

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yeah worrying about overconsumption of oestrogen is definately majoring in the minor…

…E Nation, anyone? sister-site? … :smiley:

I dunno what the score is for the states, but in britainland they tell us every 1 in 3 peoples are going to get cancer, and you’re telling me estrogens increase the risk of breasts and prostate cancer. Unless you’re too fuckin’ stupid to be able to worry about more than 1 thing at a time i’d say the food industries bastardisation of my over-worked testes is definately a priority :stuck_out_tongue:

Dont let em get away with it!

G

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[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:
“Best thing you can do is take some basic measures (like not microwaving in plastic containers, not putting plastic bottles in dishwashers) and go from there based on how much effort you want to put into avoiding it.”

How else can you wash those damn Nalgenes – you certainly can’t stick your hand in there with a sponge.[/quote]

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[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:
“Best thing you can do is take some basic measures (like not microwaving in plastic containers, not putting plastic bottles in dishwashers) and go from there based on how much effort you want to put into avoiding it.”

How else can you wash those damn Nalgenes – you certainly can’t stick your hand in there with a sponge.[/quote]

I think some of the nalgenes are BPA free…
Could someone verify?
http://www.nalgene-outdoor.com/technical/bpaInfo.html

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I think many people here are missing the take away from this.

#1. I don’t give a shit about a Mom deciding what to feed her children. I didn’t post this for the average person and I dont give a shit about the average person. I posted this for people who are more deliberate with what they put into their body’s and are trying to maximize performance and appearance.

#2. Stressing out over it? I don’t think anyone here is going to lose sleep making some mindless modifications to their shopping. When gaining any piece of knowledge, any rational person can simply make a few intelligent decisions and avoid the foods listed above.

Thanks for your input Bill, I appreciate your thoughts.

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Also, everyone can now stop quoting the last couple articles about “majoring in the minor” and “stressing out”. Details and information like this when true are important and helpful. Don’t be meatheads.

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[quote]TheGeeMan wrote:

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
Whats wrong with just eating some canned stuff?

Jesus, if you’re gonna die you’re gonna die. You could get hit by a bus, stabbed, shot, randomly drop down with a stroke or heart attack. Do you worry about all this in day to day life? Cause if you dont, and you’re worrying about a can of chopped tomato leaking crap you cant see into your food based on its PH level, you’re definately “majoring in the minor”.

[/quote]

yeah worrying about overconsumption of oestrogen is definately majoring in the minor…

…E Nation, anyone? sister-site? … :smiley:

I dunno what the score is for the states, but in britainland they tell us every 1 in 3 peoples are going to get cancer, and you’re telling me estrogens increase the risk of breasts and prostate cancer. Unless you’re too fuckin’ stupid to be able to worry about more than 1 thing at a time i’d say the food industries bastardisation of my over-worked testes is definately a priority :stuck_out_tongue:

Dont let em get away with it!

G[/quote]

Cool. I’m not worried. Most people if they live old enough die of cancer anyway. It’s a natural process.

Do you go ape when someone is smoking near you? Do you drink alcohol, especially any cider ever? Do you use air freshners, or go to peoples places where they use those kind of things? Do you use anti-perspirant? Have you ever had your T levels tested?

The day I eat something and think “shit did I just raise my E levels by eating that hotdog” is possibly the day I stop breathing, cause breathing is enough to cause cancer I’ve read somewhere.

I hope your starting a petition to get this changed - I’m also in Britain. I’d sign it if you made it - a real one in writing not an online one. I hope it goes well.

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Do you eat plain rolled oats instead of the instant stuff that comes in a packet?

Do you have skinless chicken breasts more often than you have skin-on chicken drumsticks?

Do you cook at home more often than you pull into a drive-through?

These are all conscious decisions you’re making that some people would consider “overthinking this whole working out thing,” but you prefer to reap the benefits of the time and effort invested.

The situation with BPA is very comparable. The biggest difference is that the examples above affect your physique while BPA affects your health which is, arguably, more important but generally receives less attention because that kind of thing is just for old people and vegan hippies to worry about, not young bucks like us who deadlift and power clean. Right???

As I said earlier, it’s pretty easy to get carried away when trying to avoid BPA products. Taking the bare minimum steps to avoid BPA is an investment in your health which, believe it or not, is kinda more important than your powerlifting total, your bodyfat percentage, or your upper arm circumference.

But you know what? Dudes who think it’s a waste of time, carry on. If anything, it’s just a waste of an argument, like many, many other training and nutrition topics.

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pick up a fork and eat honestly STFU

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[quote]Brotha123 wrote:
pick up a fork and eat honestly STFU[/quote]

You’re a moron. This isn’t a topic on how to get bigger or pack on mass. You fit into #1 on my list and I know you don’t have control over what your Mom decides to cook for you at the ripe young age of 17, but maybe that link will help persuade her.

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[quote]Null wrote:

[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:
“Best thing you can do is take some basic measures (like not microwaving in plastic containers, not putting plastic bottles in dishwashers) and go from there based on how much effort you want to put into avoiding it.”

How else can you wash those damn Nalgenes – you certainly can’t stick your hand in there with a sponge.[/quote]

I think some of the nalgenes are BPA free…
Could someone verify?
http://www.nalgene-outdoor.com/technical/bpaInfo.html
[/quote]

The ANACONDA bottle is PETE (#1) and PETE does not contain BPA, although I’m not so sure about what the lid is made out of. I wouldn’t wash either in the dishwasher, especially not the lid. Get a bottle brush whose head is the right size to fit in the mouth of the bottle but still have room enough to move around inside the bottle. You want good contact with the inside walls of the bottle with the head of your brushing tool.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I have no idea why any would make this a “stress” issue as a means of dismissing whether people should consider it, or for any other reason raising that as a point, as I can’t imagine why stress would be involved.

However I guess some people stress over things that others can just think about and, if desired, alter their decisions on without feeling stress.[/quote]

I have a feeling that it comes from a lot of OCD-types who literally obsess over the details of their diets, so they’d rather not know about something like this since it actually does cause them a lot of stress.

I’m with you though, and would rather have the information to make informed choices. That’s not to say that I’ll never have acidic food from a can for example, but now I can make my purchases accordingly.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
As what may be clarification for some:

I can see where a person would think, “Well, we have estrogen in the body normally, even men do. Getting a small amount of added estrogenic compounds from food or drink could, what, maybe move someone up from being mid-normal in estrogen level to mid-high-normal if even that? But the mid-high-normal people aren’t exactly dropping dead.”

It isn’t that simple.

Estrogenic compounds do not always exert their effects only by the estrogen receptor.

Bisphenol-A actually does nothing at the estrogen receptor, but is extremely potent at estrogen-related-receptor gamma.

It is entirely possible for a quite minute dose to give a large increase in activity at that receptor, and so the situation is not equivalent to, for example, merely moving up from mid-normal to mid-high-normal natural estrogen levels.

Of course, many will not accept this.

There must, however, be causes for things such as the marked decline in male fertility that has occurred, as well as increases in various disease states. Macronutrient intake cannot be the sole explanation, and neither is air pollution.[/quote]

good post!

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One thing about this article bothers me

The part about Growth Hormone

"6. Milk Produced with Artificial Hormones

The expert: Rick North, project director of the Campaign for Safe Food at the Oregon Physicians for Social Responsibility and former CEO of the Oregon division of the American Cancer Society

The problem: Milk producers treat their dairy cattle with recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH or rBST, as it is also known) to boost milk production. But rBGH also increases udder infections and even pus in the milk. It also leads to higher levels of a hormone called insulin-like growth factor in milk. In people, high levels of IGF-1 may contribute to breast, prostate, and colon cancers. “When the government approved rBGH, it was thought that IGF-1 from milk would be broken down in the human digestive tract,” says North. As it turns out, the casein in milk protects most of it, according to several independent studies. “There’s not 100% proof that this is increasing cancer in humans,” admits North. “However, it’s banned in most industrialized countries.”

The solution: Check labels for rBGH-free, rBST-free, produced without artificial hormones, or organic milk. These phrases indicate rBGH-free products."

Well here is the thing.

The above is well, practically not really true. In fact, its mostly bogus reporting done by someone who isn’t that well versed in the workings of Growth Hormone.

Their statement “It also leads to higher levels of a hormone called insulin-like growth factor in milk.”

I would love to see how much milk someone would have to drink in order to get a systematic increase in say, 150ng of IGF-1.

LOL, at best drinking that might lead to some minute increase, which would match the same increase you get from running down the street.