600k Ecstasy Pills Seized

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[quote]Defekt wrote:
Yea because MDMA hasn’t been clearly linked with brain damage or anything. [/quote]

Way to be stuck on studies from 1990, you sarcastic shit. Not only was a lot of the information from the studies on the drug at that time false, but studies on potentially dangerous drugs were, until very recently, funded by government organizations that had something to gain from certain substances being outlawed. The media saying things like “teens die in ecstasy overdose” (this is an extremely rare occurrence, and most deaths related to ecstasy aren’t because of an overdose of the drug) doesn’t help at all either. They don’t say “the teens were drinking heavily and had taken ecstasy, and/or didn’t drink any water in the process,” which is what causes most deaths related to the substance.

Alcohol is far worse for your brain than X. Read RECENT research please. A good study to read about is a study that was done in England in 2007. I forgot the name of the study but you’ll find it all over the place is you Google search the words “Britain drug study ecstasy” or “Britain drug study is alcohol worse than ecstasy.” It details the top 20 worst drugs in Britain using a health, crime, and societal harm standpoint. They didn’t do what previous studies had done and study the drug on rats and then call it a day, sometimes not even releasing the details of the study to the public, simply so the “results” could be used as propaganda.

This is coming from someone who doesn’t even do drugs (I’m going into the military very soon, anyways), but does drink. I just hate people acting like sheep and absorbing inaccurate information just because it’s there, especially when it causes widespread belief of lies and false reports.

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I said alchohol is a safe drug and a few improperly conducted studies cause every study showing links to brain damage invalid

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8100 studies on Google scholar with most indicating brain damage some saying inconclusive and others “potentially reversible” sounds pretty safe to me champ. How dare they arrest these men with millions of dollars of what was surely a pure unadulterated form of a completely harmless drug

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Drugs are bad mmk?

^^Also, knowing nothing about dancing, but knowing many stereotypes, I’m going to assume that it makes you dance poorly as well.

Flawed logic ftw!

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MDMA in second place for harmlessness behind cannabis.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
MDMA in second place for harmlessness behind cannabis. [/quote]

Exactly. Who fights while on MDMA? When im on MDMA im getting head massages by half naked women while getting my face melted by a mind blowing light show.

Lets get a head count to who went to EDC 2010!!!

ME!!!

Maybe theyre some fellow ravers in this community :slight_smile:

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^^^ thats a good documentary

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[quote]Defekt wrote:
I said alchohol is a safe drug and a few improperly conducted studies cause every study showing links to brain damage invalid [/quote]

What?? This sentence didn’t make sense, but I did my best to plug in the correct words in certain places and this is what I got from it- Alcohol is a safe drug. A few studies that were conducted (improperly?) showed that alcohol does not cause brain damage.

First of all, why the hell would we care about improper studies?! Second, alcohol is NOT a safe drug. It is one of the most dangerous drugs that people have access to. Where in the world did you read that drinking (and I’m not talking about the healthy person who drinks a glass or red wine every day, I’m talking about people who drinking in the REAL WORLD, drinking to get drunk) is safe and doesn’t cause damage to your brain?

Not to mention the damage to your liver, the extremely common occurrences of alcohol poisoning which can lead to death, the fatal car wrecks that alcohol causes because when people drink they’re confident that they’re “not too fucked up to drive.”

But it’s a safe drug still, right?

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[quote]Defekt wrote:
I knew that was coming. The severity and swiftness in which the brain damage sets in is not even comparable. You can drink alcohol more than 20 times at the common recreational doses without noticing long lasting impairment. MDMA… not so much. Comparing the two is like comparing the damage done by getting hit by a BMX bike to that of a Volkswagen. [/quote]

Wrong. If you drink 20 times the common dose of alcohol you’re fucking dead. Are you being serious here? If you take “too much” ecstasy, as long as you stay cool, stay hydrated, force yourself to pee regularly, and keep calories and sodium going into your body, then you will be just fine. You will have absolutely wrecked the balance of serotonin and dopamine in your brain for a little while (up to a couple of weeks), but you will live, and after a few days be back to normal.

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[quote]Defekt wrote:
8100 studies on Google scholar with most indicating brain damage some saying inconclusive and others “potentially reversible” sounds pretty safe to me champ. How dare they arrest these men with millions of dollars of what was surely a pure unadulterated form of a completely harmless drug[/quote]

Did you read what I said? Avoid reading any studies done in America, because our government is being pretty stubborn about testing illegal substances on humans. Other countries (Britain and Canada are good examples), however, have actually been doing controlled studies for a few years now. The problem is that a lot of that is considered unethical in America, so good luck finding a good American study about illegal substances using humans.

Second of all, of those 8100 studies on Google scholar that you just read throughly enough to know that most indicate brain damage, did you bother to look at the year it was published? Did you bother to look at what the test subjects were? If it wasn’t in the last 3-5 years, and it wasn’t using humans, then you can discard them. Thanks for reading all of that for absolutely no reason, though.

Your ONLY valid point here was the sarcastic “pure unadulterated” comment. That’s true, because these things are illegal, there is no way to be sure that you’re getting the real thing from some jackass on the street or in a club/bar. That’s too bad that the law forces a situation where criminals have control of these substances, and not the government. If that were to ever change then SOME (note: not all. This is just so no one can twist my words around) drugs would instantly become worlds safer.

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[quote]Mettahl wrote:

[quote]Defekt wrote:
I knew that was coming. The severity and swiftness in which the brain damage sets in is not even comparable. You can drink alcohol more than 20 times at the common recreational doses without noticing long lasting impairment. MDMA… not so much. Comparing the two is like comparing the damage done by getting hit by a BMX bike to that of a Volkswagen. [/quote]

Wrong. If you drink 20 times the common dose of alcohol you’re fucking dead. Are you being serious here? If you take “too much” ecstasy, as long as you stay cool, stay hydrated, force yourself to pee regularly, and keep calories and sodium going into your body, then you will be just fine. You will have absolutely wrecked the balance of serotonin and dopamine in your brain for a little while (up to a couple of weeks), but you will live, and after a few days be back to normal.[/quote]

if you drink 20 times AT the common recreational dose… go to school

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[quote]Mettahl wrote:

[quote]Defekt wrote:
I said alchohol is a safe drug and a few improperly conducted studies cause every study showing links to brain damage invalid [/quote]

What?? This sentence didn’t make sense, but I did my best to plug in the correct words in certain places and this is what I got from it- Alcohol is a safe drug. A few studies that were conducted (improperly?) showed that alcohol does not cause brain damage.

First of all, why the hell would we care about improper studies?! Second, alcohol is NOT a safe drug. It is one of the most dangerous drugs that people have access to. Where in the world did you read that drinking (and I’m not talking about the healthy person who drinks a glass or red wine every day, I’m talking about people who drinking in the REAL WORLD, drinking to get drunk) is safe and doesn’t cause damage to your brain?

Not to mention the damage to your liver, the extremely common occurrences of alcohol poisoning which can lead to death, the fatal car wrecks that alcohol causes because when people drink they’re confident that they’re “not too fucked up to drive.”

But it’s a safe drug still, right?[/quote]

sarcasm

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[quote]Mettahl wrote:

[quote]Defekt wrote:
8100 studies on Google scholar with most indicating brain damage some saying inconclusive and others “potentially reversible” sounds pretty safe to me champ. How dare they arrest these men with millions of dollars of what was surely a pure unadulterated form of a completely harmless drug[/quote]

Did you read what I said? Avoid reading any studies done in America, because our government is being pretty stubborn about testing illegal substances on humans. Other countries (Britain and Canada are good examples), however, have actually been doing controlled studies for a few years now. The problem is that a lot of that is considered unethical in America, so good luck finding a good American study about illegal substances using humans.

Second of all, of those 8100 studies on Google scholar that you just read throughly enough to know that most indicate brain damage, did you bother to look at the year it was published? Did you bother to look at what the test subjects were? If it wasn’t in the last 3-5 years, and it wasn’t using humans, then you can discard them. Thanks for reading all of that for absolutely no reason, though.

Your ONLY valid point here was the sarcastic “pure unadulterated” comment. That’s true, because these things are illegal, there is no way to be sure that you’re getting the real thing from some jackass on the street or in a club/bar. That’s too bad that the law forces a situation where criminals have control of these substances, and not the government. If that were to ever change then SOME (note: not all. This is just so no one can twist my words around) drugs would instantly become worlds safer.[/quote]

Okay right. So the thousands of studies pointing to brain damage are invalid because they didn’t take place in the last “3-5” years and any science done before then was inherently flawed.

Wishful thinking and willful ignorance.

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This story is pure bullshit.

I did time with a guy who was involved in an 11 million pill conspiracy, I read his indictment personally. 600k is alot, but it’s not “one of the biggest exctasy busts” by any means.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
This story is pure bullshit.

I did time with a guy who was involved in an 11 million pill conspiracy, I read his indictment personally. 600k is alot, but it’s not “one of the biggest exctasy busts” by any means. [/quote]

Yup.

You know what onew pill costs to make?

Under then cents, sold for up to 10$ a piece to the consumer.

The real big fish wipe their asses with the 60000$ they just lost.

It is probably a none issue to them.

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[quote]Defekt wrote:

[quote]Mettahl wrote:

[quote]Defekt wrote:
8100 studies on Google scholar with most indicating brain damage some saying inconclusive and others “potentially reversible” sounds pretty safe to me champ. How dare they arrest these men with millions of dollars of what was surely a pure unadulterated form of a completely harmless drug[/quote]

Did you read what I said? Avoid reading any studies done in America, because our government is being pretty stubborn about testing illegal substances on humans. Other countries (Britain and Canada are good examples), however, have actually been doing controlled studies for a few years now. The problem is that a lot of that is considered unethical in America, so good luck finding a good American study about illegal substances using humans.

Second of all, of those 8100 studies on Google scholar that you just read throughly enough to know that most indicate brain damage, did you bother to look at the year it was published? Did you bother to look at what the test subjects were? If it wasn’t in the last 3-5 years, and it wasn’t using humans, then you can discard them. Thanks for reading all of that for absolutely no reason, though.

Your ONLY valid point here was the sarcastic “pure unadulterated” comment. That’s true, because these things are illegal, there is no way to be sure that you’re getting the real thing from some jackass on the street or in a club/bar. That’s too bad that the law forces a situation where criminals have control of these substances, and not the government. If that were to ever change then SOME (note: not all. This is just so no one can twist my words around) drugs would instantly become worlds safer.[/quote]

Okay right. So the thousands of studies pointing to brain damage are invalid because they didn’t take place in the last “3-5” years and any science done before then was inherently flawed.

Wishful thinking and willful ignorance.[/quote]

There have not been “thousands of studies.” If you Google search a research topic and get a few thousand results, that does not mean that there were a few thousand different studies. That’s not how information flow and the internet works. Hundreds of people can write papers on the same study. So again, are you joking? There have only been a handful of major, in-depth studies regarding most currently classified drugs (until very recently that also included marijuana), not counting the few lone wackjob scientists working illegally in personal labs to find new uses for such substances, or doing the same thing legally in certain other countries.

I don’t even know why I just typed all of that, since that’s not even my main point. That was just to point out that you were pretty much incorrect. What I really wanted to say is YES, on this specific topic, due to the nature of research on certain illegal substances done in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, a lot of the information contained in those studies IS invalid. If you would have read what I said, you would have seen that I specifically mentioned that human test subjects are now being used in some places. Not only this, but the technology used to monitor brain activity and health has only improved over the years. But no, you’re right: studies done in the 80s and 90s using rats are probably going to be more accurate than studies done within the last few years using humans. I’m just being wishful, I suppose.

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[quote]Defekt wrote:

[quote]Mettahl wrote:

[quote]Defekt wrote:
I knew that was coming. The severity and swiftness in which the brain damage sets in is not even comparable. You can drink alcohol more than 20 times at the common recreational doses without noticing long lasting impairment. MDMA… not so much. Comparing the two is like comparing the damage done by getting hit by a BMX bike to that of a Volkswagen. [/quote]

Wrong. If you drink 20 times the common dose of alcohol you’re fucking dead. Are you being serious here? If you take “too much” ecstasy, as long as you stay cool, stay hydrated, force yourself to pee regularly, and keep calories and sodium going into your body, then you will be just fine. You will have absolutely wrecked the balance of serotonin and dopamine in your brain for a little while (up to a couple of weeks), but you will live, and after a few days be back to normal.[/quote]

if you drink 20 times AT the common recreational dose… go to school [/quote]

Oh, my mistake. I read “20 times the recreational dose.” I’m not afraid to admit I read that wrong. I’ll go ahead and go to school now so I can learn not to make small mistakes.

But the facts still stand. It’s easier to overdose with alcohol. It’s easier to get into a wreck with alcohol. It’s easier to get into a fist fight with alcohol. It’s easier to beat your wife with alcohol. It’s easier to cheat with alcohol. It’s easier to commit a petty crime with alcohol. It’s easier to get completely hung over and miss work with alcohol.

Also, it’s surprisingly easier to kill brain cells with alcohol. Almost everyone, even by the time they graduate high school, has been so drunk that they black out and either don’t remember part of the night, or actually pass out. Once you reach that point, your body doesn’t have much left to go before your blood alcohol level is so high that you technically have alcohol poisoning. Given the fact that if you’re past the point of being able to remember the night, you’re inhibitions are probably nonexistent, meaning that you’ll probably drink a few more, and the fact that once you pass out, your BAC continues to rise due to your body absorbing more alcohol from your stomach, alcohol poisoning isn’t very hard to get. If you’re at this point you’re starving your brain by reducing much of the flow of oxygen through it and in the process you are killing brain cells (an irreversible effect), potentially even enough to cause permanent brain damage.

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[quote]Mettahl wrote:

[quote]Defekt wrote:

[quote]Mettahl wrote:

[quote]Defekt wrote:
I knew that was coming. The severity and swiftness in which the brain damage sets in is not even comparable. You can drink alcohol more than 20 times at the common recreational doses without noticing long lasting impairment. MDMA… not so much. Comparing the two is like comparing the damage done by getting hit by a BMX bike to that of a Volkswagen. [/quote]

Wrong. If you drink 20 times the common dose of alcohol you’re fucking dead. Are you being serious here? If you take “too much” ecstasy, as long as you stay cool, stay hydrated, force yourself to pee regularly, and keep calories and sodium going into your body, then you will be just fine. You will have absolutely wrecked the balance of serotonin and dopamine in your brain for a little while (up to a couple of weeks), but you will live, and after a few days be back to normal.[/quote]

if you drink 20 times AT the common recreational dose… go to school [/quote]

Oh, my mistake. I read “20 times the recreational dose.” I’m not afraid to admit I read that wrong. I’ll go ahead and go to school now so I can learn not to make small mistakes.

But the facts still stand. It’s easier to overdose with alcohol. It’s easier to get into a wreck with alcohol. It’s easier to get into a fist fight with alcohol. It’s easier to beat your wife with alcohol. It’s easier to cheat with alcohol. It’s easier to commit a petty crime with alcohol. It’s easier to get completely hung over and miss work with alcohol.

Also, it’s surprisingly easier to kill brain cells with alcohol. Almost everyone, even by the time they graduate high school, has been so drunk that they black out and either don’t remember part of the night, or actually pass out. Once you reach that point, your body doesn’t have much left to go before your blood alcohol level is so high that you technically have alcohol poisoning. Given the fact that if you’re past the point of being able to remember the night, you’re inhibitions are probably nonexistent, meaning that you’ll probably drink a few more, and the fact that once you pass out, your BAC continues to rise due to your body absorbing more alcohol from your stomach, alcohol poisoning isn’t very hard to get. If you’re at this point you’re starving your brain by reducing much of the flow of oxygen through it and in the process you are killing brain cells (an irreversible effect), potentially even enough to cause permanent brain damage.[/quote]

I once had a friend rub dirty socks on his face for about 2.5 hours a few years ago because of some e.

He wasn’t fighting anyone. Or cheating. … well, maybe with those socks.

Man, that was gross.

Being a young, irresponsible adult was awesome.