Optimal is whatever you’ll actually do
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I don’t think you can use yourself as an example and just say everyone should do the exact same thing. Everyone has different recovery. I just believe right or wrong after you tire your muscles out after lifting weights, you probably shouldn’t try to wear yourself out with cardio immediately after. And what does the word optimal mean.
best or most favorable
So while it doesn’t mean you can’t make any gains doing it your way, you may have left gains on the table and not realized it. Optimal basically just means best way to do things. So why would someone want to go against that?
I don’t think I have done that.
But you did and you said it was dumb for me to wait and used yourself as a example and gave no other examples.
Nope.
You said you don’t need to be optimal which by definition you said you don’t need to do it the best way. That’s what optimal means.
Correct. I did not do this
Correct. I did not do this
Good for you, congrats.
Since you are claiming to not be saying everyone should do it the same way. Why are you calling me dumb for doing it differently?
I have not called you dumb.
Dude, lying about things where there is written proof of exchange is a dumb thing to do.
Guess you’ve been backed into a corner because you’ve gone to nitpicking. You did not say I was dumb, but what I said was dumb. My mistake. Point still stands.
Negative: I am correcting the many lies you have said about me. I very much do not appreciate that.
Best of luck in achieving your goals dude.
Here’s another thing:
When you say “optimal”, exactly what are you trying to optimize? If you are a specialist and want to break a Bench Press record at a competition, your optimal training will be quite different than a recreational lifter/athlete that just wants a solid foundation of strength and conditioning. If you want to be competitive at a marathon, I wouldn’t suggest doing 531 sessions prior to your running work.
So, as @T3hPwnisher has eluded to, you can get very strong and very fit without ever wondering “Wait, before I get under the bar, will this squat session be optimal?”. You can push your lifts hard in a fatigued state; you can run a 10K after a tough lifting session.
Rather than “optimal”, consider what you want to prioritize or emphasize. Tend to put these earlier in your workout or train them when you’re fresher. Or don’t, and just put in solid efforts consistently, and you’ll still be fine.
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op seems to be the kind of person who asks a question but isn’t really interested in the answer (unless it’s exactly what they wanted to hear)
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Not true but there’s only one person in this thread that has said it doesn’t matter and the only example he can give to back up his claim is it worked for him. Another said wait 12 hours double the time that I original said. I thought it was up to me to decide what I want to do and I didn’t have to follow what one person said because it’s not a fact? If many more people agreed with him then I might change my mind but no one has.
Someone is free to give their opinion but just as they are allowed to do that, I am not required to follow it if I don’t agree. He seems mad that I won’t follow exactly what he is saying and even said my thought about waiting was dumb. To me it would be more logical to just give an opinion and who gives a fuck if someone listens to it or not it’s not your job to force your opinion down someone’s throat you give the opinion and they can take it or leave it.
I am honestly baffled at how completely you continue to misunderstand me.
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That’s the only type of example that matters. Other than if he coached somebody and it worked for that person too
The way I see it:
The energy utilization of aerobic exercise is about 15 times more efficient than that of anaerobic energy production/utilization, so if you want bang for the buck do the anaerobic activity first then us an entirely different and much more efficient one to do your cardio.
Look up the physiological mechanisms of energy production, then try for yourself.
What I find interesting is that you can just about completely recover from cardio in a very short time, like much less than 6 hrs. simply by replacing the energy substrate- water, sugar, sodium, and potassium- which renders the argument moot.
Most importantly, I’d suggest trying it and finding out first hand. Be your own little research lab.
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I do not think you need to wait 6 hours before weights and cardio, and I do believe that striving for what’s optimal paradoxically causes more harm in beginners than good. We could use you as an example:
You said you’re doing cardio after weights. You haven’t actually said it’s hurting you, so all we know is: you’re doing cardio. Yay for cardio!
You have now read about what’s “optimal”. Now you’re second guessing yourself. Someone else comes along and tells you what’s actually super duper optimal. Now you’re thinking of putting cardio off.
@TrainForPain put it best: optimal is what you’ll do. You were doing cardio. Now you’re thinking of not doing cardio because you’re worried about optimal. Doing is better than not doing. Don’t get bogged down with what’s optimal.
Now, if you want to do the 6 hours or 12 hours, just go ahead and do it! Report back here to let us know if you’ve seen any results.
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Also, it should be noted that cardio takes sooooo little energy. It’s bordering on dark magic that the human body can get that much activity out of so few calories.
So unless you’re truly depleted, and really pushing the limits of performance- it’s a wash.
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